Ekzentric Lohner
I miss Wildstar...
... "Soon" is literally all we know about when they'll arrive.
We Are the Gods of a New World Order [Warhammer 50K ~ Warp God Simulator]
- Thread starter Alectai
- Start date
- Sci-Fi Fantasy
I meant in the sense of "before we have a chance for follow up action". The impression I got from that but was that they were a near future but not immediate problem.
meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
Never let it be said that I cannot be convinced by arguments to later convince myself to change my opinions and plans very suddenly! My old plan remains as it is currently, if you still want to vote for it, but here is a new one:
[X] Plan The Best Treehouse In All Of The Galaxy!
-[X] Speak to the People! (DC ??)
--[X] Hero Unit: Dana (2 Uses Left)
--[X] Hero Unit: Niamh (0 Uses Left)
--[X] Sorcery Off (1)
--[X] Domains: Connection (5 Uses Left)
-[X] A Quiet Census! (DC 60) (1 Manpower)
--[X] Hero Unit: Amelia (1 Use Left)
--[X] Hero Unit: Elliot (0 Uses Left)
--[X] Manpower Token x1 (4 Uses Left)
--[X] Sorcery Off (2)
-[X] Party Time! (DC 50) (1 Manpower)
--[X] Hero Units: Dana (1 Use Left)
--[X] Manpower Token x1 (3 Uses Left)
--[X] Sorcery Off (3)
--[X] Domains: Connection, Elysium (3 Uses Left)
-[X] Make a Nice Place for guests! (DC 70) (1 Manpower)
--[X] Hero Unit: Dana (0 Uses Left)
--[X] Hero Unit: Layla (1 Use Left)
--[X] Manpower Token x3 (0 Uses Left)
--[X] Sorcery On (4)
--[X] Domains: Weaving, Elysium, Sorcery
-[X] Project: NOMAD Part One: Big Fish? Big belly! (DC 70) (Manpower cost waived by remaining Tokens)
--[X] Hero Units: Layla (0 Uses Left)
--[X] Hero Units: Amelia (0 Uses Left)
--[X] Sorcery On (5)
After thinking about it, there was one thing that made me change my mind (in addition to all the other points presented) to make a new plan: that the Project NOMAD has its Manpower discounted down to zero, so putting Manpower there feels a bit of a waste in the end. Even if we do not roll amazingly with our Carrier, it will still likely be more than functional with just partial success, as I still left two Hero units to see it to the end. And with Sorcery on, the +20% chance to Miracle-crit isn't bad at all, I would say.
Now, I'm still for using Sorcery with it, but I want to see what kind of amazing treehouse we can get out of this if we throw maybe even reckless amounts of supernatural power to this project. Like, a +80 bonus of which ALL OF IT counts towards a Miracle, even the higher levels of it. Especially good point by @Ekzentric Lohner about Elysium just being crazy good for this kind of thing, so included it. Lets see what kind of crazy shit this can potentially produce.
[X] Plan The Best Treehouse In All Of The Galaxy!
-[X] Speak to the People! (DC ??)
--[X] Hero Unit: Dana (2 Uses Left)
--[X] Hero Unit: Niamh (0 Uses Left)
--[X] Sorcery Off (1)
--[X] Domains: Connection (5 Uses Left)
-[X] A Quiet Census! (DC 60) (1 Manpower)
--[X] Hero Unit: Amelia (1 Use Left)
--[X] Hero Unit: Elliot (0 Uses Left)
--[X] Manpower Token x1 (4 Uses Left)
--[X] Sorcery Off (2)
-[X] Party Time! (DC 50) (1 Manpower)
--[X] Hero Units: Dana (1 Use Left)
--[X] Manpower Token x1 (3 Uses Left)
--[X] Sorcery Off (3)
--[X] Domains: Connection, Elysium (3 Uses Left)
-[X] Make a Nice Place for guests! (DC 70) (1 Manpower)
--[X] Hero Unit: Dana (0 Uses Left)
--[X] Hero Unit: Layla (1 Use Left)
--[X] Manpower Token x3 (0 Uses Left)
--[X] Sorcery On (4)
--[X] Domains: Weaving, Elysium, Sorcery
-[X] Project: NOMAD Part One: Big Fish? Big belly! (DC 70) (Manpower cost waived by remaining Tokens)
--[X] Hero Units: Layla (0 Uses Left)
--[X] Hero Units: Amelia (0 Uses Left)
--[X] Sorcery On (5)
After thinking about it, there was one thing that made me change my mind (in addition to all the other points presented) to make a new plan: that the Project NOMAD has its Manpower discounted down to zero, so putting Manpower there feels a bit of a waste in the end. Even if we do not roll amazingly with our Carrier, it will still likely be more than functional with just partial success, as I still left two Hero units to see it to the end. And with Sorcery on, the +20% chance to Miracle-crit isn't bad at all, I would say.
Now, I'm still for using Sorcery with it, but I want to see what kind of amazing treehouse we can get out of this if we throw maybe even reckless amounts of supernatural power to this project. Like, a +80 bonus of which ALL OF IT counts towards a Miracle, even the higher levels of it. Especially good point by @Ekzentric Lohner about Elysium just being crazy good for this kind of thing, so included it. Lets see what kind of crazy shit this can potentially produce.
Ekzentric Lohner
I miss Wildstar...
If you want to stack all the bonuses, take one of the domains off of Party so you can add Earth and move Elliot in from the Census. Then you'll have applied all possible bonuses - and if all three Manpower tokens add a bonus due to Weavers of Life, that will mean a miracle is guaranteed even if you roll a 1. Let's do this.
[X] Plan MAXIMUM MIRACLE TREEHOUSE
-[X] Speak to the People! (DC ??)
--[X] Hero Unit: Dana (2 Uses Left)
--[X] Hero Unit: Niamh (0 Uses Left)
--[X] Sorcery Off (1)
--[X] Domains: Connection (5 Uses Left)
-[X] A Quiet Census! (DC 60) (1 Manpower)
--[X] Hero Unit: Amelia (1 Use Left)
--[X] Manpower Token x1 (4 Uses Left)
--[X] Sorcery Off (2)
-[X] Party Time! (DC 50) (1 Manpower)
--[X] Hero Units: Dana (1 Use Left)
--[X] Manpower Token x1 (3 Uses Left)
--[X] Sorcery Off (3)
-[X] Make a Nice Place for guests! (DC 70) (1 Manpower)
--[X] Hero Unit: Dana (0 Uses Left)
--[X] Hero Unit: Elliot (0 Uses Left)
--[X] Hero Unit: Layla (1 Use Left)
--[X] Manpower Token x3 (0 Uses Left)
--[X] Sorcery On (4)
--[X] Domains: Weaving, Elysium, Sorcery, Earth (1 uses left)
-[X] Project: NOMAD Part One: Big Fish? Big belly! (DC 70) (Manpower cost waived by remaining Tokens)
--[X] Hero Units: Layla (0 Uses Left)
--[X] Hero Units: Amelia (0 Uses Left)
--[X] Sorcery On (5)
--[X] Domains: Weaving (0 Uses Left)
I moved both domains off the party so
[X] Plan Sacred Hospitality
[X] Plan Only the Best for Our Guests
[] Plan The Best Treehouse In All Of The Galaxy!
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meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
Nah, our followers should have fun too, and this is more than enough of resources to one thing. This is more than enough for just one project, no matter how important. And it will still have extremely good chances of being extra-AWESOME, so that is good enough for me.
Ekzentric Lohner
I miss Wildstar...
Can you at least move a domain onto NOMAD? Right now, it is possible to not merely fail but crit fail - it's only a 10% chance, but that's a chance of things like losing a hero and that's too much.
Travler66
Let her name echo in song!
- Location
- Beyond
Yeah, I agree with this. Losing a hero is a big risk.
[X] Plan MAXIMUM MIRACLE TREEHOUSE
[X] Plan Sacred Hospitality
[X] Plan Sacred Hospitality
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
Wait, do we a WoG that this kind of action can even cause losing a Hero? I mean, I can understand it could happen in an inherently risky action (like Sapping the Walls was), but what you are suggesting seems to have gone past mere caution and into fear-mongering.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
What a lovely surprise I have to wake up to! Gonna react to the options, then go back and read the discussion.
Unclear what Speak to the People does; probably just boost recruitment? Let's put that as a "nice-to-have." Modernize Your Dogma might get us a new Doctrine, which seems super important if so, or might just prevent our Cult from doing silly things without guidance, which would also be super important.
This seems like a high priority too; if there are unhappy folks in our ranks, we need to know why. Presumably these are Imperial loyalists who are aghast at all the heresy?
Party Time seems like another thing that will boost recruitment: good, but not necessary. Stars Above and Beyond unlocks more of our tech tree, which is very important. Make A Nice Place For Guests is something I'll put in as a must-have, with all the focus on our incoming visitors.
...VM is ditzier than usual in these descriptions, good heavens. Anyway, the Project NOMAD stuff seems important, the Giant Friendly Crab seems a little less important, but it all falls under the category of "climb dat military tech tree."
Short Objective list this chapter. Everything seems basically straightforward, though I'm not quite sure what a basic Army List contains and how we can tell how far we are from completion.
Travler66
Let her name echo in song!
- Location
- Beyond
Here's our current updated Army List.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Yes, I understand that. My issue is that I don't know what a complete basic army list would be; I assume it's a 40K thing, that all splatbooks have some set of tactical roles that they fill in their own way, but I'm not sure how we can track what we're missing and thus how far we are from completing that objective unless some kind soul posts an explainer.
Goddamn, every time the MC open her mouth, I can hear the Ara Ara~
[X] Plan MAXIMUM MIRACLE TREEHOUSE
[X] Plan MAXIMUM MIRACLE TREEHOUSE
- Location
- United States
[X] Plan Plowshares before Swords
- Location
- United States
[X] Plan MAXIMUM MIRACLE TREEHOUSE
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Oof, I went back and looked over everything, and it seems really hard to actually get all my must-haves in a single turn plan. Bah and also humbug.
[X] Plan Plowshares before Swords
None of the plans include Stars Above and Beyond, and only this one includes Modernize Your Dogma.
[X] Plan Plowshares before Swords
None of the plans include Stars Above and Beyond, and only this one includes Modernize Your Dogma.
It good to be a goddess.
[X] Plan Plowshares before Swords.
[X] Plan Plowshares before Swords.
[X] Plan Reach for the Stars
-[X] Modernize your Dogma (DC 75)
--[X] Dana (2 actions remaining)
--[X] Niamh (0 actions remaining)
--[X] Connection (5 Favor remaining)
-[X] A Quiet Census! (DC 60) (1 Manpower)
--[X] 1 Manpower (4 tokens remaining)
--[X] Amelia (1 action remaining)
--[X] Elliot (0 actions remaining)
--[X] Connection (4 Favor remaining)
-[X] Speak to the People! (DC ??)
--[X] Dana (1 action remaining)
--[X] Connection (3 Favor remaining)
-[X] Party Time! (DC 50) (1 Manpower)
--[X] 1 Manpower (3 tokens remaining)
--[X] Layla (1 action remaining)
-[X] Make a Nice Place for guests! (DC 70) (1 Manpower)
--[X] 1 Manpower (2 Token remaining)
--[X] Layla (0 actions remaining)
--[X] Elysium (2 Favor remaining)
-[X] Project: NOMAD Part One: Big Fish? Big belly! (DC 70) (Manpower cost waived by remaining Tokens)
--[X] Amelia (0 actions remaining)
--[X] Weaving (1 Favor remaining)
-[X] Stars Above and Beyond! (DC 80) (2 Manpower)
--[X] 2 Manpower (0 Token remaining)
--[X] Dana (0 actions remaining)
--[X] Sorcery On
--[X] Weaving (0 Favor remaining)
I want spaceships. This plan includes the Stars above option.
-[X] Modernize your Dogma (DC 75)
--[X] Dana (2 actions remaining)
--[X] Niamh (0 actions remaining)
--[X] Connection (5 Favor remaining)
-[X] A Quiet Census! (DC 60) (1 Manpower)
--[X] 1 Manpower (4 tokens remaining)
--[X] Amelia (1 action remaining)
--[X] Elliot (0 actions remaining)
--[X] Connection (4 Favor remaining)
-[X] Speak to the People! (DC ??)
--[X] Dana (1 action remaining)
--[X] Connection (3 Favor remaining)
-[X] Party Time! (DC 50) (1 Manpower)
--[X] 1 Manpower (3 tokens remaining)
--[X] Layla (1 action remaining)
-[X] Make a Nice Place for guests! (DC 70) (1 Manpower)
--[X] 1 Manpower (2 Token remaining)
--[X] Layla (0 actions remaining)
--[X] Elysium (2 Favor remaining)
-[X] Project: NOMAD Part One: Big Fish? Big belly! (DC 70) (Manpower cost waived by remaining Tokens)
--[X] Amelia (0 actions remaining)
--[X] Weaving (1 Favor remaining)
-[X] Stars Above and Beyond! (DC 80) (2 Manpower)
--[X] 2 Manpower (0 Token remaining)
--[X] Dana (0 actions remaining)
--[X] Sorcery On
--[X] Weaving (0 Favor remaining)
I want spaceships. This plan includes the Stars above option.
- Location
- United States of America, Michigan
[X] Plan Only the Best for Our Guests
[X] Plan Sacred Hospitality
[X] Plan The Best Treehouse In All Of The Galaxy!
[X] Plan MAXIMUM MIRACLE TREEHOUSE
I care mostly about getting giving the best welcome we can to our uninvited guests since trying to do diplo in Warhammer is something I find really cool despite how hard it is
[X] Plan Sacred Hospitality
[X] Plan The Best Treehouse In All Of The Galaxy!
[X] Plan MAXIMUM MIRACLE TREEHOUSE
I care mostly about getting giving the best welcome we can to our uninvited guests since trying to do diplo in Warhammer is something I find really cool despite how hard it is
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
For anyone wondering about the army stat change (and hopefully no one has already shared this info and i missed it in my skimming of the thread), here's a diffchecker and some analysis:
So the verdant army combines two units we know the original/individual stats of (huntsmen and sentinels) and two we don't (Druids and Guardians)
Here's the huntsmen and sentinel stats:
So looking at each category:
-Melee is 5+ compared to 2+/5, and i imagine the druids are a good part of it being 5+ instead of 'just' 5 (or even less thanks to only part of the unit being sentinels), alongside the general increase in skill and equipment.
-Ranged is 7, as opposed to 6+/5+. This one is likely mostly skill, variety, and equipment shining through, since i dont *think* druids would be especially ranged heavy, and guardians likely would be similar or less skilled than huntsmen here?
-Toughness is 7+ as opposed to 5/7. This one is almost certainly mostly due to equipment boosts/Earthblood, especially since sentinels would be the toughest of the 4 units anyway.
-Reliability is Good, as opposed to Good/Fair, so nothing extreme here. I'd hoped that druids and some more experienced huntsmen could combine to give Very Good reliability, but i think i'm just underestimating the difference in each scale unit? Having our standard Cadre be Good reliability is probably pretty good by most standards.
-Armor: Ranges from Light-Heavy, where previously we had Infantry/Heavy for our two examples. Earthblood continues to pay dividends, since it seems to mean even the Druids have light rather than infantry armor. I imagine the guardians would have 'naturally' had light armor without it?
-Effectiveness: This is the only category where we have an actual decrease relative to before: Infan/Light/Infra is equivalent to the hunstmen effectiveness...but sentinels had Heavy effectiveness, something that our new cadres don't. Hopefully the greater ranged skill (and the flower knights having greater numbers, independence, and variety) make up for it on the whole, but it's important to keep in mind that our basic units aren't effective against heavy armor
-Terrain: No change here, Normal/rough/urban same as huntsmen and sentinels...though i'm curious if the druids by themselves would havehad any extra terrain proficiencies?
-Special Rules: Very nice here. Looks like it added together all the rules from huntsmen and sentinels, and then added in Psykers for the druids. I'm not well versed with the WotK rules but this seems like a good and varied set of rules to have for our basic units?
So overall a big improvement here. Compare to, say, the planetary auxilla, and we are much stronger (3 more melee, 1 more ranged, 3+ more toughness, equal or better armor, a billion more rules...) aside from the lack of heavy effectiveness...and thats before blessings!
Now for our other main unit, compared to the old single purpose belladonna's:
-Ranged up from 7 to 9, a major major boost...as to be expected when going from 'we went back and added on ranged weaponry to a melee design' to 'we reworked the design from base principles with improved materials and with ranged in mind from the start...also we added a Much Bigger Variant to the unit'
-Toughness up from 9 to 10+, likely mostly from earthblood and a little from the impact of the presence of (one? a few?) Rafflesia as a Big Defensive Target
-Reliability up from fair to good, a major major boost that presumably comes in large part from the bit about the Rafflesia having sensor suites and the like for coordination alongside the Heartlink
-Armor: Belladonna and Rosemary seem to still 'only' be Heavy armor, but Rafflesia are at Superheavy armor, a powerful boost for bouncing off enemy attacks
-Effectiveness: Added Superheavy to our effectiveness level, which will help greatly in making sure there's fewer things that can just bounce our weapons off
-Special Rules: Again, a smorgasbord of rules. Added Indirect Fire and Suppressive to an already powerful list
And now for voting...
[X] Plan Plowshares before Swords
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So the verdant army combines two units we know the original/individual stats of (huntsmen and sentinels) and two we don't (Druids and Guardians)
Here's the huntsmen and sentinel stats:
So looking at each category:
-Melee is 5+ compared to 2+/5, and i imagine the druids are a good part of it being 5+ instead of 'just' 5 (or even less thanks to only part of the unit being sentinels), alongside the general increase in skill and equipment.
-Ranged is 7, as opposed to 6+/5+. This one is likely mostly skill, variety, and equipment shining through, since i dont *think* druids would be especially ranged heavy, and guardians likely would be similar or less skilled than huntsmen here?
-Toughness is 7+ as opposed to 5/7. This one is almost certainly mostly due to equipment boosts/Earthblood, especially since sentinels would be the toughest of the 4 units anyway.
-Reliability is Good, as opposed to Good/Fair, so nothing extreme here. I'd hoped that druids and some more experienced huntsmen could combine to give Very Good reliability, but i think i'm just underestimating the difference in each scale unit? Having our standard Cadre be Good reliability is probably pretty good by most standards.
-Armor: Ranges from Light-Heavy, where previously we had Infantry/Heavy for our two examples. Earthblood continues to pay dividends, since it seems to mean even the Druids have light rather than infantry armor. I imagine the guardians would have 'naturally' had light armor without it?
-Effectiveness: This is the only category where we have an actual decrease relative to before: Infan/Light/Infra is equivalent to the hunstmen effectiveness...but sentinels had Heavy effectiveness, something that our new cadres don't. Hopefully the greater ranged skill (and the flower knights having greater numbers, independence, and variety) make up for it on the whole, but it's important to keep in mind that our basic units aren't effective against heavy armor
-Terrain: No change here, Normal/rough/urban same as huntsmen and sentinels...though i'm curious if the druids by themselves would havehad any extra terrain proficiencies?
-Special Rules: Very nice here. Looks like it added together all the rules from huntsmen and sentinels, and then added in Psykers for the druids. I'm not well versed with the WotK rules but this seems like a good and varied set of rules to have for our basic units?
So overall a big improvement here. Compare to, say, the planetary auxilla, and we are much stronger (3 more melee, 1 more ranged, 3+ more toughness, equal or better armor, a billion more rules...) aside from the lack of heavy effectiveness...and thats before blessings!
Now for our other main unit, compared to the old single purpose belladonna's:
-Melee up from 8 to 9. The smallest boost, likely cause the belladonnas were originally designed for melee anyway, and our major improvements have been in armor or ranged weapons. Still, a solid improvement and nothing to scoff at
-Ranged up from 7 to 9, a major major boost...as to be expected when going from 'we went back and added on ranged weaponry to a melee design' to 'we reworked the design from base principles with improved materials and with ranged in mind from the start...also we added a Much Bigger Variant to the unit'
-Toughness up from 9 to 10+, likely mostly from earthblood and a little from the impact of the presence of (one? a few?) Rafflesia as a Big Defensive Target
-Reliability up from fair to good, a major major boost that presumably comes in large part from the bit about the Rafflesia having sensor suites and the like for coordination alongside the Heartlink
-Armor: Belladonna and Rosemary seem to still 'only' be Heavy armor, but Rafflesia are at Superheavy armor, a powerful boost for bouncing off enemy attacks
-Effectiveness: Added Superheavy to our effectiveness level, which will help greatly in making sure there's fewer things that can just bounce our weapons off
-Special Rules: Again, a smorgasbord of rules. Added Indirect Fire and Suppressive to an already powerful list
And now for voting...
[X] Plan Plowshares before Swords
