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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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fictionfan said:
This is unusual. Normally techs say that their is some level of tech or realm that can overcome it. This gives no such limitation.
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Equal rank = B rank. So it's bypassed by A rank techs. As someone else mentioned, it's a bit worse than Black Mirror, and it is no longer cheaper. It does have a thorn though, and the movement + help allies options are really nice.
 
Dammit @Candesce it's not past moratorium yet

That aside, I do see people's point about not liking the insight.

[] The self is a story, and memory is the teller of tales.

I however am still going to vote it cause it appeals to my views about Ling Qi as a Seeker of Songs, as Stories are not all that different from my point of view. Also it's obviously gonna be the minority option, therefore I'm extra-obligated to go underdog
 
fictionfan said:
It doesn't say that.
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It does say that..... :
West Wind Step: B rank
Duration: Immediate
From the warm west wind comes spring and summer, heralding spring, and in it's recession is the coming of fall and winter. Predictable in a way that the other winds are not, nonetheless it was the last to be captured. The west wind comes and goes, and naught may halt or capture it again. A single attack of equal rank or lower may be avoided,
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WWS is B rank, and it can avoid a single attack of equal rank or lower.. So a single attack of B rank or lower.
 
I don't like this insight. It ties her Ego too closely to Memory, which by its nature is uncertain and vague.

If self is an expression of a Domain, then this insight is a clause that allows it to be suspended or amended at a drop of a hat. It's useful, but far too dangerous without more checks and balances. I'd only support such an insight if there was a way to make certain memories or parts of LQ's self untouchable or steel-clad. Or even have us remember everything with perfect detail a la Miss Militia.

[] No Insight from Ephemeral Nights Memory
 
Varder said:
This insight means that ENM kills storytellers, but Ling Qi is in part about uncovering and spreading stories of the world. I don't want this insight.
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Wow guys. Am I the only one that sees this about being the inverse of the art just like FSS's insight?

[] The self is a story, and memory is the teller of tales.

This is saying that "memory is just a teller of tales. Self is the story".
as in, don't trust memory to find truth. Find truth from the self.
We're Sincerity. Memories can be sincere but still just tales
  • Sincerity is the measure by which the worthiness of the self and ones guests should be measured.
  • There are endings and Endings, only the very last one is final. Just as winter ends in spring, small endings are new beginnings.
  • Though a path might be hard and lonely, it has worth if you can present something of beauty to those you care for at the end.
  • There is no peace in emptiness, no content in stillness. Stagnation is death; act, change, move, think, and grow until the very end.
  • Branches and trunks bend and sway, but the roots must remain unyielding. Retreat only so far and then no more.
  • Even walking alone, footfalls echo beyond your hearing.
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Sincerity is found in the Self, not in fickle memory. I'm an odd person, I distrust memory and dislike how trusting the average person is of their memory. As if it's real, when it's not. The Self is real. A living catalog of what really happened. Finding sincerity in our guests that may not match their own self image, I find that incredibly interesting.

Most people don't realize how much approximation and assumption underpins their reality and sense of self. I find mixing the idea that other's realities are likely not the sincere truth of their selves very useful. Especially for Song-seeking. We don't want the false songs and delusions we want the sincere reality.

OneArmedYeti said:
I think this Insight might let us do some of the acting and mutability arts that our AM insight have been rendering non compatible.
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acting isn't noncompatible. There is only one moon. The eight phases are the same moon, in different roles and "costumes". There is nothing inherently insincere about acting. Not all acting is sincere but that doesn't mean we can't.

Gah. I've been saying this since Forge and y'all still think we can't.
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endings of selves do not mean the Ending of Tales. Of memories. These might not be sincere, but we can pull on these threads to recover the sincere Self at the start of that "rainbow dream". This is very powerful mixed with ENM and is the first tease of how we can Seek Songs long lost to time. We need a memory, story thief. We don't use it on enemies, we use it conceptually to pull from the "lost". How much of that Weilu Corpse still has Stories. Memories. Songs. Can we pull and recover such things?
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The self is the story, and memory is the tales? meh. nothing strong here jumping at me.
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dont get caught up in stagnant navel-gazing nostalgia because it's death. Keep moving the Self Story forward. Tales are fun, but not the real.
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memory is mercurial and fickle, but we should make sure to harden the core Story of Self so that it is defended from erosion/corruption of malleable memory
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Even though the Self is a Story of Self, that Story spins Tales off of itself even if we do not hear such Tales.

I am a huge fan of this insight because it's just the sort of Toolbox insight that should spawn some excellent advanced insights. I'll wait on the vote to see what our slots look like. But this is.
Jensaarai said:
You have no idea how much I want to bust open that Pandora's box. Imagine how cool the fight would be. I think that whole segment with the death pool and time-prison was in my top 5 favorite moments of the entire story, just because of how amazingly creepy and well-described it was.
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this ENM insight is, in my opinion, how we can make this scene happen. I don't think it'll be a fight actually, I think it's the Self we'll be delving the Tales of in order to find the Story/Song at the core. I think this is super amazing, and I don't mind it being a fight but I'd much prefer an exploration of the Story and the Tales of the Weilu corpse rather than a fight by itself.



all in all I think most people are taking the exact opposite idea of the insight, as if this isn't going to be slotted into LQ who has historically been deeply disturbed by memory editing and permanent altering. I think this is a tool that will be used extensively for the opposite. Recovering Stories from their derived Tales. Seeking Songs(stories) from the Tales of memory and tracing them back to their Sincere Inception long Hidden from View. I've actually never been this excited for an insight before omfg it's so perfect
 
If anything, I think this insight is highly synergistic with the argent mirror insight. It establishes firmly that 'sincerity' doesn't have to align with 'factual'. That's something good to have codified for Ling Qi, imo.
 
Whatever's going on with the Weilu corpse, I doubt it's a resurrection of the Weilu it once was. Barring Twilight King-esque shenanigans, its soul will still have degraded to nothing long before Ling Qi ever found it.

However, that just means it's something else causing this. Possibilities range from a simple nearby spirit wandering by all the way up to the darkness of its prison made manifest, and what I said earlier about the original Weilu being gone may be a blurrier line than previously thought if the skull gives access to some remnant of the Weilu's memories or nature.
 
Inferno Vulpix said:
Whatever's going on with the Weilu corpse, I doubt it's a resurrection of the Weilu it once was. Barring Twilight King-esque shenanigans, its soul will still have degraded to nothing long before Ling Qi ever found it.

However, that just means it's something else causing this. Possibilities range from a simple nearby spirit wandering by all the way up to the darkness of its prison made manifest, and what I said earlier about the original Weilu being gone may be a blurrier line than previously thought if the skull gives access to some remnant of the Weilu's memories or nature.
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dreamweaver spiders. Grin moon stag and shrine. Hidden Corpse, literally in a hidden broken space. It was all three of our patrons
 
I don't suppose we could get clarification on whether "teller of tales" is synonymous with "storyteller"? Or at least what Ling Qi's opinion on that would be right now?

I definitely don't want Ling Qi to rely on fickle memory for her sense of self.
 
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JowKeen said:
Wow guys. Am I the only one that sees this about being the inverse of the art just like FSS's insight?

[] The self is a story, and memory is the teller of tales.

This is saying that "memory is just a teller of tales. Self is the story".
as in, don't trust memory to find truth. Find truth from the self.
We're Sincerity. Memories can be sincere but still just tales
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The issue is that if the self is a story, and memory the teller of tales, then if memory changes, the self changes. I read tale and story as synonymous here.

Now, I'm not sure what consequences that would have in the broader context of LQ's Domain, but I do find that it rubs me the wrong way. It doesn't seem to coherently fit into the stuff Ling Qi has been about thus far.
 
yrsillar said:
Her dress was pooled in the corner of the wardrobe, it's layers in disarray, sleeves wrapped around a bundle of fabric that she recognized as the tatters of her bedspread. She reached down, picking up her dress, and the ragged cloth dropped away, but a few threads still dangled from her gown, slowly being drawn into its fabric.

...Had her dress been stress eating, Ling Qi thought in bewilderment.
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Look at what we've done to our girl! Look at the state of it!

yrsillar said:
"Hmph, you've gotten mean," Sixiang grumbled
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Mean girls! Mean girls! MEAN GIRLS! MEAN GIRLS!

Jensaarai said:
I'm fully ready for an old-as-hell Weilu lich corpse to explode out of its prison and starting wrecking shit.
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LQ: "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?"
 
A Story is the base word in english we use for the "Story". There are many kinds of Story. Such as:

Tale-
a fictitious or true narrative or story, especially one that is imaginatively recounted.

it is almost always used in place of Story when it is describing the amount of imagination and embellishment being used to retell it.

All Tales are derived of Stories. And are Stories themselves. Not all Stories are Tales.

This insight is literally saying that Memory is a "Teller of Tales". As in the phrase "Teller of (tall) Tales".
The Story is the Self.

Stories are more flexible and reliable than the more specific Tale, which is usually embellished or distorted through imagination in fun, but not literally true ways.

When combined with our insights, especially our first insight about Sincerity, we find that we would not be able to tell tales that are not Sincere to the Story. The literal, actual experiences of Self as we live and grow. This prevents us from falling into the trap that the Dream Courts did, where the conceptual malleability of Memory, Story and Self ultimately corrupted and corroded everything.

Additionally, when combined with "there are endings and there are Endings" we can probably use Tales as the start of a path towards the original Story. The more mundane and real, Sincere version. This is very helpful for reconstructing gossip into the shape of what we're looking for. Hidden Moon being able to trace the negative spaces of the sky in order to Name and Shame the unknowable beyond. On a much smaller scale, collecting and consolidating gossip into strong Leads for secrets and truths that are Hidden? Grinning and stealing them once we find a target? That's excellent

But it's also helpful for Seeking lost Songs. It's a dangerous insight yes. I believe something akin to this insight was the downfall of the Dream Courts. But our Sincerity should guard against bad outcomes, and our "endings vs Endings" insight should let us reconstruct a lot of things that have been lost.

It's also helpful in our role as a Blunt Functional philosopher. Someone that CRX can rely on for passing through the flowery language and constructs of Tales to reach the original Story and sincerely communicate it to her. This is something that is almost certainly helpful for every single cultivator, because it helps disabuse and separate the Tales that they tell (which may conflict with their Self) and the original Story(self) that they are.
 
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picklepikkl said:
The issue is that if the self is a story, and memory the teller of tales, then if memory changes, the self changes. I read tale and story as synonymous here.

Now, I'm not sure what consequences that would have in the broader context of LQ's Domain, but I do find that it rubs me the wrong way. It doesn't seem to coherently fit into the stuff Ling Qi has been about thus far.
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I'm of similar opinion but, on the other hand, the traditional way to phrase that would be "Self is a story, memory is the storyteller". Given the relatively poetic nature of insights I'm not sure if they would avoid repeating themselves? On the other hand endings vs Endings is arguably a more subtle distinction but maybe a more direct one?
 
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