Re-reading the updates a bit, and this is a bit old at this point, but given the "anime bullshit" tag I'm going to assume that some sort of Marshmallow Hell was going on in this scene and that's why she called VM fat.
We Are the Gods of a New World Order [Warhammer 50K ~ Warp God Simulator]
- Thread starter Alectai
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- Sci-Fi Fantasy
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
If I recall my lore correctly (which is largely Fantasy based), Nurgle could also get a claim on someone's soul via Nurgle's Rot. It would not be unthinkable if we could use the contagious part of it to spread our newly unlocked Blessings beyond our Chosen/Believers.
You didn't write "think" for Plague not being good for making people better, making it read like a definitive statement to me.
The bubonic plague was also a bacterial disease, so I imagine that Plague would cover mostly anything that could be spread via bacteria like it. Yes, you get a bad cough, but you and the people would cough on would be "infected" with a bacteria that eats the actually dangerous diseases you've been infected with.
The Verdant Maiden was called fat because by Eldar standards she is fat. Her appearance has a distinct Isha influence, hence Aeldari, but since most of her worshipers are human, her proportions are closer to human therefore... a tad too rounded.
Giving blessings to the unwilling or unknowing seems like a massive violation of free will.
Ekzentric Lohner
I miss Wildstar...
There's a bit of that, but it's also because Eldar are, by human standards, skinny to the point of it being uncanny-valley-ish. Which means that the slender-by-human-standards figure Verdant Maiden has is, by Eldar standards, very chubby.
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Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Saying "Bless you" when someone sneezes isn't a violation of free will, nor is giving CPR to someone considered a violation of body autonomy. Not even one on the level that shooting someone counts as violating it.
As long as we don't claim their soul or cause irreversible changes, I am not sure I see the violation of free will is.
[X]Plan: Peace, earth, and MAGIC
The cult only seems off because you're comparing it to whatever you're most familiar with. Religious beliefs and practices are incredibly varied; acting like what we expect from a religion isn't the hallmark of actually being one. They have a centralized set of tenets, figure of worship, and methods of religious practice. The attitude they take towards their beliefs and how they go about expressing them aren't really relevant to whether or not they qualify as a religion.
Baron Ouroboros
Emerald Leaves and Crimson Petals
- Location
- Vancouver
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Eh, I don't buy it personally. I personally think that Aeldari are just very phsyically fit as a rule. Besides, I'm pretty sure Drukhari could get quite musclebound.
- Location
- England
I mean that's a shame because it is evidently canon here regardless.
It is if they think you are the devil and would rather die than get your help, which is true of many pious worshipers of the Imperial Creed regarding warp powers.
Baron Ouroboros
Emerald Leaves and Crimson Petals
- Location
- Vancouver
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Mmh, I can live with this; just stating my preference is otherwise.
[X] Plan: Peace, earth, and MAGIC
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
In the provinces. But in the capital? Also, as far as I understood even the provinces were still at least the size of modern cities. I mean at some point we had thousands of followers without having become the official religion of any of these places. Just the dominant one.
Even if every contemporary propaganda fails, these people have been worshipping only the Emperor for 500 years on this planet. In a society in which religion supposedly plays a larger role than Catholicism in medieval Europe or Orthodoxy in the Byzantine Empire. Maybe even a larger role than Islam in any Islamic nations throughout history, other than maybe the heights of Arabic conquest during the first Caliphate.
And all of those had arguably just as few real miracles as this planet did before the Verdant Maiden, at least when you ask an outsider.
And all that is ignoring the ~20,000 years their ancestors have been worshipping the same deity off-planet, the unimaginably large and mighty armies everyone knows about, and the uncountable literal miracles that everyone believes to be true, including our own cultists.
In the beginning our cult pretended that we were actually a Saint sent by the Emperor to defend His people and later maybe right the wrongs of His misguided mortal government representatives. And that made sense and was a good way to get followers and keep outside dissenters from fanatically opposing us. But it got discarded from Dana's rhetoric very quickly, with seemingly no repercussions at all.
It was mentioned in Dana's backstory that this planet supposedly didn't have any officially ordained minister in a generation, but I understood that as meaning that "ordained minister" has since become a rare-ish and prestigious title in the Ecclesiarchy, not that there was literally no educated theologian preaching official liturgy in church-like buildings on a weekly basis. Because if that's true then the Imperials are complete morons and every frontier planet should be full of all kinds of heresies, inane or serious, whenever any tax collectors happen to pass by. Humans don't just keep believing the same thing without any splits with no reinforcement other than word of mouth.
Or... Maybe they do. Maybe 20,000 years makes a belief system pervasive and constant enough to survive without need for reinforcement or control. In which case we're back to asking why seemingly no lay people were opposing the demons that were literally tearing their ancestral foundation of society out from under their feet.
Regarding the tone, I guess having a planet-conquering crusade by an antithetical religion be whimsical just weirds me out a bit.
Travler66
Let her name echo in song!
- Location
- Beyond
@Alectai
Lesser Daemons - Sayrd
Domains: Life, Death, Earth, Weaving, Connection, Sorcery, (Elysium? Guardian?)
Description:
Humanoid-like Daemons that are tall as the Astartes themselves, their very bodies are sculpted out of wood, stone, flora and earth. They may seem inhuman and aloof from a distance but to the followers and the people who live under the Verdant Maiden, they are serene and accommodating, however, other than watching over the population, they do not assist any of them in any normal tasks for their purpose is to protect the people and worlds of the Verdant Maiden. When in war or threatened, they unleash blasts of Sorcery derived from the Verdant Maiden herself against any who dare to harm those who only wish to live in peace.
@Rafin it's worth noting that we told the people of Lambert about the Forlorn Contingency. they knew they were probably going to get exterminated by paranoid inquisitors, whether they were faithful or not. The fact that they believed that by and large shows a sort of brittleness to the Imperial faith. That is the trouble with making a theocracy, the sins of the state reflect on the god too and in this cse those sins are many.
No, it's canon that the Eldar are only superficially similar to humans. Their joints, internal layout, bone structures, organ systems, and just about everything beyond the basic humanoid body plan is totally different.
Humans have as much in common with Eldar as they do with Orks, and those assholes are a basically a bipedal fungus infection.
From a Doylist perspective they look like that because they're space elves, but on the watsonian end of things their bodies just don't work like that. They use warp bullshit for various bodily functions so they just don't store energy the same ways or in the same places.
I think you're underestimating the damage done to the faith people have in the emperor by the abuses of his government. We had Space Marines stopping mid purge for a chat. We had a private tax collector strip a planet to the bone and leave it to be flayed alive by xenos. Who knows what else is going on, and how it's impacted the beliefs of people who live far from any kind of attention. It's entirely possible that the Imperial cult just doesn't give a damn about this place any more than any other institution we've seen so far. It may even be that this is an exceptional degree of neglect, given that this place was capable of attracting a nascent warp god in the first place.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
As you wish.
(If I've done this right the first channel you see should be #rules-and-faq, but if I didn't do this right: please look first at #rules-and-faq)
Azeban.
Domains: Sorcery, Connection, Harvest. Earth.
Lesser daemon type that looks like intelligent walking Raccoons of ancient Terra, they are psychically-talented, the Azeban. Known also for their sheer obsession with finding and taking information and technology. When there is one, they is always several more near by, waiting to act and to take and to steal.
Mischievous little Raccoons.
Tyche.
Domains: Death, Life, Sorcery, Harvest. Earth.
Tall, Owl-like beings. To friends, they are bringers of good news, and healing, snow-like feathers. To foes, they are death itself, striking fear into them, and reaping their souls for their plans,black as death, and binding powerful living weapons to do their will.
..."Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return."
Domains: Sorcery, Connection, Harvest. Earth.
Lesser daemon type that looks like intelligent walking Raccoons of ancient Terra, they are psychically-talented, the Azeban. Known also for their sheer obsession with finding and taking information and technology. When there is one, they is always several more near by, waiting to act and to take and to steal.
Mischievous little Raccoons.
Tyche.
Domains: Death, Life, Sorcery, Harvest. Earth.
Tall, Owl-like beings. To friends, they are bringers of good news, and healing, snow-like feathers. To foes, they are death itself, striking fear into them, and reaping their souls for their plans,black as death, and binding powerful living weapons to do their will.
..."Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return."
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
No. It seems off because the only character with dialogue that actually expressed belief on screen is Dana.
Horatio humored his grandchild and later acknowledged the existence of a spirit that would be helpful for his revenge after it literally manifested itself in front of him.
Niamh became psychically aware that the attacking humans were guided by a being with friendly intentions and accepted food and shelter in exchange for magical aid.
Layla's beliefs and motivations haven't been fleshed out more than "down with the Man" and "yarr!".
The events of adding two towns to our sphere of influence was flavored much more as "we hate the other guy for economic reasons so we'll jump on the bandwagon" than anything that's actually to do with anything like religious belief.
Liking the people that hand out rice, antibiotics, and AK-47s more than your collonial oppressors isn't the same as religious devotion.
And I am not even questioning wether the Cult of the Verdant Maiden is a religion. I am claiming that this has not been adequately shown on screen.
Don't get me wrong. I genuinely like this quest. It is fun, well written, imaginative, has mechanics but doesn't get bogged down in them, and keeps a balance between the personal touch and the potential for galaxy-wide repercussions. But for a quest that is about clashing religions and entities that are belief made manifest it just feels lacking in that specific department.
Adding an approval vote for Sun-Earth-Peace. I still think getting Core Connection is better, but there are good arguments against risking critfailures. That Sorcery enables even more critfailures while opening less miracle opportunities makes me heavily disinclined to grab it. (On top of the lack of a guaranteed +10 to all actions, which should mitigate critfails I would expect)
[X] Plan Earth, Sun, and Elysium
[X] Plan Peace
-[X] Elysium
-[X] Elevation: Connection
[X] Plan Earth, Sun, and Elysium
[X] Plan Peace
-[X] Elysium
-[X] Elevation: Connection
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I'm not sure the thing explicitly called out as potentially causing tragedies is what you should be looking for to mitigate anything. All sorcery says is that it's not reliable. Best to keep the fluff in mind, this is a mechanics light quest after all.