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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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Alright, time for version 2 of my research plan

[] Plan Research Buddies v.2!
-[] Sell: Total 32 + 4 Base = 36
--[] Take on [Simple] Request: A Better Smelter = 6 Points
--[] Adamant Smelter Blueprint = 6 Points
--[] First Priority in Gromril Exports = 2 Points
--[] The Master Rune of Snorri Gift Giver/Purification = 4 Points
--[] 2 Voidstone = 6 points
--[] 2 Adamant = 8 Points
-[] Buy: Total 36
--[] Master Rune of Blizzards [Armour](More potent, but unshareable Hailmantle), Cost 4 points
--[] Master Rune of Unyielding [Armour](Bearer has Regeneration, Tireless and Steelskin), Cost: 6 points
--[] Rune of the Tireless/ Strollaz's Rune (Increases endurance of formation), Cost: 2 points
--[] 3 Progress in Voidstone Research, Cost: 6 points
--[] 3 Progress in The Secrets of Light Research, Cost 6 points
--[] 5 Progress in The Movement of Things Research, Cost 10 points
--[] 1 Progress in The Rune Metal, Cost 2 points

Given the clarification of what the Priority Export option entails as well as the clarification that we will own the Bigger and Better Smelter, I feel more confident in taking the Priority Gromril Exports option and selling the second bar of Adamant, which opens up even more research progress. This plan completes three research branches, The Secrets of Light, Voidstone, and The Movement of Things, as well as putting a point in the Rune Metal given that seems like something we might want to start trickling some points in if we want to get it.

This will do some massive work in the area of research and hopefully open up a lot of options in the future while saving us some significant actions.
 
I will gladly vote for any plan that sells and buys most knowledge.

After all, cross-polination of knowledge here is a good step towards preserving even smallest pieces of rune knowledge in the Time of Woes.
All those runes we learn or they learn are things that can be taught to future apprentices.
Sure, it's a long time away, possibly in Epilogue area. Even so, best to start now.
 
Thor's Twin said:
I would imagine so given this part of the update.


Future trades with the Brotherhood seems to be one of the benefits of being part of the Brotherhood.
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Especially since the brotherhood members present implied that what they are currently offering is only some of their total communal knowledge, the part which they have prior automatic approval to trade with.
 
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mmm...

Assuming void obsidian can be found we're about to see a lot more adamant armoured kings...

Though also strikes me purification was gating the anvils.

Not because they don't have adamant, but because anvils are giant slabs of the stuff, and it seems their supply hasn't been the best.

@soulcake 2 questions. Dunno if this is IC knowledge though so, sorry if its not.
1. How many members does the Brotherhood have approximately?
2. Are they willing to tell us what the qualifications for joining are? Is it X level of skill and can they work out adamant?
 
[X] Plan Research Buddies v.2!
[X] Plan Rush Rune Metal v0.2
[X] Plan just the runes, please

Will vote for any plan with a shot of winning that sells two or less Voidstones because being wasteful with our Voidstones is a no go.
 
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soulcake said:
Not really. Price would've changed if you finished the research beforehand.
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This really tells us that we shouldn't sell voidstone cheaply now when at the least we can sell it to them at the next trading opportunity anf get more for it.

It just seems crazy to sell it now when we know we're getting a bad deal, and we don't know how bad a deal it is.
 
[X] Plan Void and Adamant Research
- [X] Sell: Total 29+4 Base = 33
-- [X] Take on [Simple] Request: A Better Smelter = 6 Points
-- [X] Adamant Smelter Blueprint = 6 Points
-- [X] The Master Rune of Snorri Gift Giver/Purification = 4 Points
-- [X] 3 Voidstone = 9 points
-- [X] 1 Adamant = 4 points
- [X] Buy: Total 32
-- [X] Master Rune of Infernos [Armour](More potent, but unshareable Pyrestrike), Cost 4 points
-- [X] Master Rune of Blizzards [Armour](More potent, but unshareable Hailmantle), Cost 4 points
-- [X] Master Rune of the Tireless [Armour](Bearer is Tireless and Minor Regen), Cost: 4 points
-- [X] Master Rune of Unyielding [Armour](Bearer has Regeneration, Tireless and Steelskin), Cost: 6 points
-- [X] Rune of the Tireless/ Strollaz's Rune (Increases endurance of formation), Cost: 2 points
-- [X] 3 progress in Voidstone Research, Cost: 6 points
-- [X] 3 Progress in The Secrets of Light, Cost: 6 points
 
[X] Plan Research Buddies v.2!
-[X] Sell: Total 32 + 4 Base = 36
--[X] Take on [Simple] Request: A Better Smelter = 6 Points
--[X] Adamant Smelter Blueprint = 6 Points
--[X] First Priority in Gromril Exports = 2 Points
--[X] The Master Rune of Snorri Gift Giver/Purification = 4 Points
--[X] 2 Voidstone = 6 points
--[X] 2 Adamant = 8 Points
-[X] Buy: Total 36
--[X] Master Rune of Blizzards [Armour](More potent, but unshareable Hailmantle), Cost 4 points
--[X] Master Rune of Unyielding [Armour](Bearer has Regeneration, Tireless and Steelskin), Cost: 6 points
--[X] Rune of the Tireless/ Strollaz's Rune (Increases endurance of formation), Cost: 2 points
--[X] 3 Progress in Voidstone Research, Cost: 6 points
--[X] 3 Progress in The Secrets of Light Research, Cost 6 points
--[X] 5 Progress in The Movement of Things Research, Cost 10 points
--[X] 1 Progress in The Rune Metal, Cost 2 points

Again, this is a plan that chooses not to buy some Master Runes that don't seem immediately useful to our short term plans/projects and takes a ton of Research Help to get three research branch done with this trade. Finishing a total of Voidstone, Secrets of Light, and The Movement of Things while also trickling points into the Rune Metal.
 
Thor's Twin said:
Alright, time for version 2 of my research plan

[] Plan Research Buddies v.2!
-[] Sell: Total 32 + 4 Base = 36
--[] Take on [Simple] Request: A Better Smelter = 6 Points
--[] Adamant Smelter Blueprint = 6 Points
--[] First Priority in Gromril Exports = 2 Points
--[] The Master Rune of Snorri Gift Giver/Purification = 4 Points
--[] 2 Voidstone = 6 points
--[] 2 Adamant = 8 Points
-[] Buy: Total 36
--[] Master Rune of Blizzards [Armour](More potent, but unshareable Hailmantle), Cost 4 points
--[] Master Rune of Unyielding [Armour](Bearer has Regeneration, Tireless and Steelskin), Cost: 6 points
--[] Rune of the Tireless/ Strollaz's Rune (Increases endurance of formation), Cost: 2 points
--[] 3 Progress in Voidstone Research, Cost: 6 points
--[] 3 Progress in The Secrets of Light Research, Cost 6 points
--[] 5 Progress in The Movement of Things Research, Cost 10 points
--[] 1 Progress in The Rune Metal, Cost 2 points

Given the clarification of what the Priority Export option entails as well as the clarification that we will own the Bigger and Better Smelter, I feel more confident in taking the Priority Gromril Exports option and selling the second bar of Adamant, which opens up even more research progress. This plan completes three research branches, The Secrets of Light, Voidstone, and The Movement of Things, as well as putting a point in the Rune Metal given that seems like something we might want to start trickling some points in if we want to get it.

This will do some massive work in the area of research and hopefully open up a lot of options in the future while saving us some significant actions.
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I believe the problem with this plan is, that we currently have only 3 bars of Adamant. Selling two means implicitly that we cannot use Adamant to boost the power of the runes as part of the GriffinBro King armor.
Which is an additional cost to the plan.
 
Thor's Twin said:
[] Plan Research Buddies v.2!
-[] Sell: Total 32 + 4 Base = 36
--[] Take on [Simple] Request: A Better Smelter = 6 Points
--[] Adamant Smelter Blueprint = 6 Points
--[] First Priority in Gromril Exports = 2 Points
--[] The Master Rune of Snorri Gift Giver/Purification = 4 Points
--[] 2 Voidstone = 6 points
--[] 2 Adamant = 8 Points
-[] Buy: Total 36
--[] Master Rune of Blizzards [Armour](More potent, but unshareable Hailmantle), Cost 4 points
--[] Master Rune of Unyielding [Armour](Bearer has Regeneration, Tireless and Steelskin), Cost: 6 points
--[] Rune of the Tireless/ Strollaz's Rune (Increases endurance of formation), Cost: 2 points
--[] 3 Progress in Voidstone Research, Cost: 6 points
--[] 3 Progress in The Secrets of Light Research, Cost 6 points
--[] 5 Progress in The Movement of Things Research, Cost 10 points
--[] 1 Progress in The Rune Metal, Cost 2 points
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If you're going this deep into research, why not finish off all of Rune Metal?

We might also might as well sell the third bar of adamant and get more research.
 
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SakSak said:
I believe the problem with this plan is, that we currently have only 3 bars of Adamant. Selling two means implicitly that we cannot use Adamant to boost the power of the runes as part of the GriffinBro King armor.
Which is an additional cost to the plan.
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I wasn't aware that we were planning on using Adamant on the Griffion's King's armor. And unless it takes more than 3 to boost the armor, then we should be perfectly able to add adamant to the armor because we will get two more pieces in the next couple of turns.

Alratan said:
If you're going this deep into research, why not finish off all of Rune Metal?
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Because I want to finish Voidstone, Secrets of Light, and The Movement of Things?
 
[X] Plan Void and Adamant Research

In general, I think it's a good idea to pick up a whole bunch of master runes from the bros. The research assistance saves one action for every two points spent (actually a little less, after taking productivity traits into account, but close enough). We have no alternative source for master runes and so can't put a direct action cost on them, but I don't think we can generally expect Snorri to get his mitts on a new master rune for two actions' worth of effort. Also, the obvious "gimmie" trades with the bros are already accounted for here; if we expend all our points on research help now and plan to pick up master runes later, more trade-in opportunities may be a long time coming. (Remember, the bros won't necessarily be interested in trading for whatever knowledge Snorri discovers in the course of investigating movement or light.)

[X] Plan just the runes, please
-[X] Sell 18 + 4 base = 22 points
--[X] Simple smelter request, 6 points
--[X] Smelter blueprints, 6 points
--[X] Master rune of purification, 4 points
--[X] Gromril priority, 2 points
-[X] Buy 22 points
--[X] Master rune of inferno, 4 points
--[X] Master rune of blizzards, 4 points
--[X] Master rune of the tireless, 4 points
--[X] Master rune of the unyielding, 6 points
--[X] Strollaz' rune, 2 points
--[X] Research help: voidstones, 1 action (2 points)

This one keeps rare ingredient expenditure to a minimum, only spending one voidstone on the request action. For those among us who don't want to be handing out voidstones.

[X] Plan void and light
-[X] Sell 28 + 4 base = 32 points
--[X] Simple smelter request, 6 points
--[X] Smelter blueprints, 6 points
--[X] Master rune of purification, 4 points
--[X] Gromril priority, 2 points
--[X] Trade 1 adamant bar, 4 points
--[X] Trade 2 voidstones, 6 points
-[X] Buy 32 points
--[X] Master rune of inferno, 4 points
--[X] Master rune of blizzards, 4 points
--[X] Master rune of the tireless, 4 points
--[X] Master rune of the unyielding, 6 points
--[X] Strollaz' rune, 2 points
--[X] Research help: voidstones, 3 actions (6 points)
--[X] Research help: secrets of light, 3 actions (6 points)

This one is functionally identical to one bungie oni posted earlier, except I switched one voidstone for the gromril priority agreement.
 
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[X] Plan Void and Adamant Research
[X] Plan just the runes, please
[X] Plan void and light

I'll vote for anything that gets us all the new runes!
 
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In any case, with the Brotherhood now having an additional, non-conflicting venue of adamantine production, there should be a significant increase in adamantine artefacts.
 
[X] Plan Voidstones for Voidstone, Adamant for Adamant
-[X] Sell: Total 26 + 4 Base = 30
--[X] Take on [Simple] Request: A Better Smelter = 6 Points
--[X] Adamant Smelter Blueprint = 6 Points
--[X] The Master Rune of Snorri Gift Giver/Purification = 4 Points
--[X] 2 Voidstone = 6 points
--[X] 1 Adamant = 4 Points
-[X] Buy: Total 30
--[X] Master Rune of Infernos [Armour](More potent, but unshareable Pyrestrike), Cost 4 points
--[X] Master Rune of Blizzards [Armour](More potent, but unshareable Hailmantle), Cost 4 points
--[X] Master Rune of the Tireless [Armour](Bearer is Tireless and Minor Regen), Cost: 4 points
--[X] Master Rune of Unyielding [Armour](Bearer has Regeneration, Tireless and Steelskin), Cost: 6 points
--[X] Rune of the Tireless/ Strollaz's Rune (Increases endurance of formation), Cost: 2 points
--[X] 3 progress in Voidstone Research, Cost: 6 points
--[X] 2 Progress in The Rune Metal, Cost 4 points

This plan exchanges 2 Voidstones to get Voidstone research finished, and 1 Adamant bar to reduce Rune Metal pt.5 from 12 actions to 10 actions, allowing it to be completed in the future with 2 turns of 3 actions each (rather than three turns.)
 
random_npc said:
oh dear god, it's hilarious. It's also a point about how the dwarves in "modern" Warhammer have fallen in more ways than the obvious. They would absolutely take this kind of thing deadly serious. Which makes sense, they have lost so much and cling so desperately to what they have, they are not going to be able to really tell that their ancestors themselves did not take every last custom and ritual deadly serious.
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Simple explanation: the actual masters who know the full thing are dead, what you have is what the apprenties saw of the business, which is just the elaborate ceremony without seeing behind the scenes.
 
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