Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
I'm inclined to think that the river will be more important then the dome....though the dome probably has information about the Rat-Folk's lifecycle. Perhaps a Matriarch.

[X] Infiltrate the bridge village

more recon is better recon.
 
Dang! Catharsis or salt to be had in a fight with Ji Rong and a potentially juicy tidbit to tell Cai Renxiang (though she may already have learned it from Liling herself and just failed to mention it to us :whistle: ).

I forgot that Ji Rong was actually a decent bit behind us in the rankings! I was picturing him more neck and neck with us for some reason. I guess the focus on self-improvement in the stacks and such has been cutting into his face punch time. :V

[x] Infiltrate the bridge village
 
The character moments during this mission have been enjoyable so far, but I've got this one big niggling question: where's the Xuan Shi?

During the lead-up to the mission we had an, iirc, obligate encounter where we were alerted to the fact Xuan Shi would be going on the mission, and both of them committed to giving more of an effort to their friendship than they had been. Ling Qi even immediately had good social tie-in internal narrative about how she'd be less worried about Su Ling's safety with him around. The introduced meta-premise going into the mission from this was that we'd have some kind of focus on Xuan Shi. He even brought up the fact he's gathering info for this clan, which reintroduces the Xuan's ambitions in a way that's relevant to the current plot arc, after the Cai/Bai/Xuan trade concern arc fell to the wayside due to the barb invasion. We haven't built on or taken advantage of any of that though.

The obvious choice would have been to corner Xuan Shi and Su Ling and express that thought to them, but we didn't vote that way and that's fair enough. But Ling Qi still could have at least done something like express the idea to Su Ling, to show she actually has the issue in mind, or genuinely believed it. Something to keep Xuan Shi, and his friendship with Ling Qi, feeling real, especially inside her head. As it is, he's just kind of been floating around the edges of scenes being awkwardly ignored by Ling Qi. Sixiang keeping tabs on the guy after our first social vote was obviously an attempt, but it faded off into nowhere town; Xuan Shi backing her up when it came to which path to go was cute, but Ling Qi completely ignored him.

Given the character hooks going into the mission, and related to the mission itself, it's disappointing that there wasn't any interaction with Xuan Shi outside of the 2 really crowded social votes. His participation looked like a key premise headed in, not unlike Su Ling's. It shouldn't have been possible to ignore either of them. They're Ling Qi's friends, dammit! Meanwhile, we're getting multiple automatic scenes with Liao Zhu, and I just can't bring myself to be excited over them because of how awkward a narrative arc it spells in light of how the mission was introduced to us.

Also, the translation ring is a bit frustrating in context of that barbarian scouting vote from so long ago- Liao Zhu you bum, this doesn't make up for not giving language lessons before! And yes, he's a fellow scout in this mission which gives him more opportunity to be near Ling Qi than people in the main group, but it's also been used as a reason for him to be absent just as often, and the scope of the narrative focus is entirely within the discretion of the QM; if the scene needed it, she could have spoken to or interacted with anyone in the group at any time.

Anyway, I'm voting for this option purely for the opportunity to see ugly cute babies, and I don't care which actually wins.
[X] Infiltrate the dome building
 
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However, it revealed exactly why the shape of the boulders Ling Qi had seen bothered her. Those oddly shaped protrusions emerging from the tops of the hills were not mre boulders. As Ling Qi looked down into a quarry, where an immense ribcage lay partially exposed, she realized what they were. The scattered spinal bones of titanic beasts. The sheer scale of what she was looking at was difficult to accept. She had heard stories of the immenseness of certain beasts, even seen something similar at a distance in the form of the Sect Head's companion, but never before had she seen a ribcage that could have contained all of Tonghou from only a few dozen meters away.

And it was not alone, at the bottom of the quarry, the spongey earth had been removed, revealing not stone bedrock, but an endless, uncountable number of smaller bones, smashed and fused and petrified together. On one side of the quarry sat a single meters wide block of the stuff, sat upon an unmanned sledge. Skulls and ribs and other bones from too many creatures to identify visible in it's contours.
I have to wonder how these bones got here. Were there terrible battles underneath the earth at this level that the bones basically solidified into a form of bedrock? Did these bones come from somewhere else and somehow percolated to this level? Are these bones from the time when the Mother and Father were fighting off all the other spirits who wanted to stop this world from forming? So many questions and possibilities, so little time.

Also Ling Qi, you better get used to seeing giant creatures who could fit an entire city in their ribcage because Zhengui is looking like he'll be growing into a very large tortoise.
 
[X] Infiltrate the dome building

"I wonder how useful he'll be though. Has he even had time to practice like that?" Hanyi asked snootily. Why… Ling Qi understood a moment later, feeling the flows of qi carrying her words back the way they'd came. "Zhengui is definitely way better."

Ling Qi almost winced, even with the small amount she knew about dragons…

She had already stepped in front of Hanyi before the young dragon had even finished coiling to spring, but Ji Rong caught him by the scruff of the neck before Relong could make it off of his shoulder. "We can't afford to fight right now Re," he barked. "But I'd appreciate it if you quit needling him."

Ling Qi breathed out, Sixiang was right, she was letting things get to her. She gave a short nod, and glanced back to Hanyi. "Less teasing alright? If you want to pick a fight do it when we get back."

"Like I'm afraid," Hanyi sniffed.

"Hmph, say those words again when I am not restrained by duty," the dragon grumbled, dangling from Ji Rong's fist in a way that reminded her of a kitten being carried off by its mother.
Expected Zhengui to acquire rival....Hanyi does instead.

"I want to fight you," he said bluntly. She gave him a blank look. "Not here obviously," he grumbled.

"Why?" she asked, giving him a wary look.

"Cause you're the only one whose beat me without being years ahead or a damned ducal," he spat.

"And you think you're going to win now?" she replied dryly.

"I think I'm going to get my ass kicked, but I don't know how hard," he said bluntly, making her blink.

"Brother…" Relong mumbled uncomfortably, squirming around the boy's neck.

Ling Qi shot a look at Hanyi to wipe away the smirk that she knew would be forming.

"I'll be blunt, I don't know what you're getting at, and why now? You could have challenged me any time," Ling Qi said.

He grimaced in frustration. "Because I need to know if you're just keeping pace or if you're pulling ahead. And I've been putting it off, but I can't anymore."

"And why is that?" Ling Qi asked, feeling the first thread of real curiosity.

He glanced away grumbling. "...She's gonna kick my ass for this," he huffed. "End of next month, Sun Liling and me are leaving. She's got family business back home, and I gotta do some formal crap myself. We'll be back for the New Year Tourney, but I wanna do this before that."

"...I'll think about it." Ling Qi replied neutrally, giving him a dubious look.
Shonen Protagonist: "Fight me, rival!"
Ling Qi: "Hn"
 
[X] Infiltrate the dome building

I'd like for a lesson in rat thing class thank you
Doubles as both getting to know what they really are as well as casting some humanism/ratism? for Qi to consider
Might even have some lore on the bones and worms
 
The character moments during this mission have been enjoyable so far, but I've got this one big niggling question: where's the Xuan Shi?
I mean, I do think that ultimately we failed a long time ago to actually connect to Xuan Shi, so the whole thing that happened just before leaving where we promised each others to talk and help each others in the mission was the weird outlier there :p

But, huh, yeah. This is I think @yrsillar not giving choice retention to votes, which can produce some weird results. If there is nothing to indicate Ling Qi should be doing something in the text of an update, we do tend to default to voting with a mix of "what sounds cool at the time" and "which character we have least seen recently". While we had a big talk with Xuan Shi saying we'd see each other in the mission and do cool things together, the key thing there is 'we voted for him recently'.

So unless Yrsillar is going to either auto-include him in scenes or have Ling Qi thinks about him just before a 'who to talk to' vote, he counter-productively seems less urgent... which is weird, given this mission was supposed to be his time with us.

But hey, I personally don't think the guy ever had an interesting scene with Ling Qi and kinda want him to slide offscreen without us noticing, so that's fine (except that it's a structural problem that also apply to characters I like).
 
Right. Given the prelude to the mission, it's weird that Xuan Shi isn't given any real focus or care in between vote decision points. He should be relevant in a broader sense than that, especially since there was a mutual agreement that hinted at both prioritizing the atrophied relationship. Like, yeah it's a mission and it's all serious face and it's not a field trip by highschoolers and getting the job done takes priority, but narratively it's an odd egg.

More broadly, I don't think we should always have to vote to do Plot stuff or actually keep to commitments. Unless there's a compelling and urgent spanner being thrown in the works or balancing priorities is the explicit purpose of an introduced narrative, Ling Qi needs to be able to chart a coherent narrative path regardless of player input. It's not railroading to have the character prioritize... priorities. And Xuan Shi was established as a priority, at least in spirit, directly leading up to this mission.

We could have been getting info from him on what gaps in knowledge the Xuan are concerned about, while simultaneously filling us in on the knowledge and myths that are out there, which would aid us in both contextualizing our infiltration efforts and with our ongoing efforts to glean more information from Bao Qian. Or something. Anything, really. Both our talk with Su Ling and Liao Zhu and our chat with our spirits then Ji Rong have been interesting, but they feel almost like distractions, expanding on characters (in some ways we arguably should have been informed already) instead of on the goals and mysteries behind the mission objectives themselves.

Don't get me wrong, things are so packed that getting side-opportunities to chat up characters during adventures is absolutely necessary and welcome. But it has left the Xuan Shi/Shishigui settlement/mission plots anemic in the way it played out. And it's not like the spirit-whisperer plot taking a nosedive which has a bad roll to explain it.
 
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Was Ji Rong being polite? I don't think he was.
He probably was trying to be polite, he may even have thought he was polite, but i don't think he succeeded.
He was being polite. He was also under estimating himself for some reason, which is a bit awkward and makes one wonder. There is a difference between 'I think I'll win', 'I think this will be a tough fight' and 'I think I'll lose and I wonder by how much'. That he said the latest is... strange.

The thing is, though, I am not sure Ling Qi likes said politeness and where it comes from?
Ji Rong looked like he was going to say something, but then he glanced at her face and shut his mouth. Xuan Shi looked at her with concern.
[...]
It was a miserable, grinding slog, and soon even Xuan Shi and Ji Rong's occasional bickering ceased, leaving only tense silence.
This is a miserable time and Ji Rong is seeing something in Ling Qi that makes him polite... but Ling Qi has her own bias about Ji Rong being constantly aggressive, and him not being aggressive probably throws her off.

Also her @AbeoLogos, seems there was some tiny reference to Xuan Shi showing concern :( Just... nothing from Ling Qi.
 
wow are we discussing characters who should have gotten more screentime but didn't due to how voting works

I have never written about this topic EVER and ESPECIALLY not in the context of how awesome Gu Tai could have been
 
Was Ji Rong being polite? I don't think he was.
He probably was trying to be polite, he may even have thought he was polite, but i don't think he succeeded.
He was actually giving a lot of face if you think from the perspective of a Jianghu thug.
Ji Rong studied her warily as he came to a stop a few strides away. He really hadn't changed his manner much. He still stood with hunched shoulders, his hands stuffed into his pockets. Only the golden loops of scales hung about his shoulders and the peering lizard like head of his companion resting on his shoulder were any different. "...Yo, your boy going to be good for this?"

Ling Qi regarded him silently, trying to pick out just what he wanted, why he could possibly be approaching her. So it was that Hanyi beat her to responding.

"Zhengui is fine, obviously," Hanyi sniffed. "Don't look down on him or my Sis!"

Sixiang snorted out a laugh in her thoughts, Ling Qi tried to keep her eyebrow from twitching. That girl… she really could change gears quickly.

Ji Rong glanced down at her. "That so?"

She huffed, but Ling Qi held up a hand to quiet her before she could respond again. "Zhengui is just tired. Why are you asking?"

He met her eyes and rolled his shoulders, drawing a grumble from his own spirit. "Look, I'm not tryin to start a fight. It's obvious he's hurt though. I just wanna know if we're down a fighter."
Show of concern for your in-group.
He snorted. "Don't give me that. I saw your face back there, parents don't get that face when their kids ain't hurt. You looked like you were gonna gut someone."
Acknowledgement of your bonds and their value to you and to him.
He snorted, and her eyebrow twitched. "Good, but there was something else I was gonna ask you."

Ling Qi lifted an eyebrow and gestured for him to get on with it.

"I want to fight you," he said bluntly. She gave him a blank look. "Not here obviously," he grumbled.

"Why?" she asked, giving him a wary look.

"Cause you're the only one whose beat me without being years ahead or a damned ducal," he spat.

"And you think you're going to win now?" she replied dryly.

"I think I'm going to get my ass kicked, but I don't know how hard," he said bluntly, making her blink.
And the biggest one, admission of weakness and a request to well...exchange pointers. You don't normally admit weakness even to a superior unless offering respect.

He's being as polite as his ethics system says he could be.
 
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Right. Given the prelude to the mission, it's weird that Xuan Shi isn't given any real focus or care in between vote decision points. He should be relevant in a broader sense than that, especially since there was a mutual agreement that hinted at both prioritizing the atrophied relationship. Like, yeah it's a mission and it's all serious face and it's not a field trip by highschoolers and getting the job done takes priority, but narratively it's an odd egg.

More broadly, I don't think we should always have to vote to do Plot stuff or actually keep to commitments. Unless there's a compelling and urgent spanner being thrown in the works or balancing priorities is the explicit purpose of an introduced narrative, Ling Qi needs to be able to chart a coherent narrative path regardless of player input. It's not railroading to have the character prioritize... priorities. And Xuan Shi was established as a priority, at least in spirit, directly leading up to this mission.

We could have been getting info from him on what gaps in knowledge the Xuan are concerned about, while simultaneously filling us in on the knowledge and myths that are out there, which would aid us in both contextualizing our infiltration efforts and with our ongoing efforts to glean more information from Bao Qian. Or something. Anything, really. Both our talk with Su Ling and Liao Zhu and our chat with our spirits then Ji Rong have been interesting, but they feel almost like distractions, expanding on characters (in some ways we arguably should have been informed already) instead of on the goals and mysteries behind the mission objectives themselves.

Don't get me wrong, things are so packed that getting side-opportunities to chat up characters during adventures is absolutely necessary and welcome. But it has left the Xuan Shi/Shishigui settlement/mission plots anemic in the way it played out. And it's not like the spirit-whisperer plot taking a nosedive which has a bad roll to explain it.
Given the only agreement was that Xuan Shi would check over the wards and defenses of her mother's home sometime in the near future, I don't see where exactly it was indicated that he should feature so prominently in this arc, especially when we decided not to vote for options that include him.

IIRC, the GM generally constructs the vote options so they're in-line with Ling Qi's character and history, each one serving as a possibility that she could conceivably choose. Saying that the choices we've made aren't "a coherent narrative path" because you think a certain plot thread isn't being near-immediately developed is basically just your opinion.
 
Was Ji Rong being polite? I don't think he was.
He probably was trying to be polite, he may even have thought he was polite, but i don't think he succeeded.
He was pretty polite in light of how prickly Ling Qi was being. More polite than she was being, anyway.

Given the only agreement was that Xuan Shi would check over the wards and defenses of her mother's home sometime in the near future, I don't see where exactly it was indicated that he should feature so prominently in this arc, especially when we decided not to vote for options that include him.

IIRC, the GM generally constructs the vote options so they're in-line with Ling Qi's character and history, each one serving as a possibility that she could conceivably choose. Saying that the choices we've made aren't "a coherent narrative path" because you think a certain plot thread isn't being near-immediately developed is basically just your opinion.
It's less complicated than that. Xuan Shi's reintroduction specifically related to the mission. That planted character hooks all over the narrative of the mission. We already had ones related to Su Ling, and to our spirits. There's established narrative relevance related to various character and the mission, including Xuan Shi. That stuff should get developed. It's bad for pacing when things don't, so not everything should be based on voting given the narrow nature of the vote options we had. Not in terms of options, we had tons of those, but in terms of how much space we had to accommodate things.

Like I said, there should be on-target character stuff happening between votes too. The only instance of that that we're getting is Liao Zhu and a bit of Sixiang. And when we actually did vote Liao Zhu, the scene barely related to him. And I don't think that vote's why we're getting so much of him later. It's a miscalibration issue, basically. The automatic character interaction isn't covering any critical or pre-obligated connections(Su Ling, our spirits, Xuan Shi), and the actual vote options have been very open-ended and often unpredictable.

The mission was the context of Xuan Shi's reintroduction, and the justification for him being on the mission reintroduced top-level political threads of interest. Him not featuring in interaction with Ling Qi on the mission isn't just "not near-immediately developing" a plot thread, it's not exploring the plot thread that was introduced at all.
 
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