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- The Void
[X][Dress] Phys. Armor, Health
[X][Talisman] Poise
I'm feeling Poise more than Social Perception for Hanyi
[X][Talisman] Poise
I'm feeling Poise more than Social Perception for Hanyi
Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
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- United States of America
I really liked the update, and I'm super glad that Ling Qi is talking to other people about the problem. It's everything I wanted from the conversation.
Also, the Dream realm is looking more and more intriguing by the second, and I can't wait to explore it more in-depth once PLR is up and running.
As for the talisman and dress, I agree with the armor and health as well as poise arguments.
[X][Dress] Phys. Armor, Health
[X][Talisman] Poise
Also, the Dream realm is looking more and more intriguing by the second, and I can't wait to explore it more in-depth once PLR is up and running.
As for the talisman and dress, I agree with the armor and health as well as poise arguments.
[X][Dress] Phys. Armor, Health
[X][Talisman] Poise
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[X][Dress] Phys. Armor, Health
[X][Talisman] Poise
[X][Talisman] Poise
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- scrabbling
[X][Dress] Phys. Armor, Health
[X][Talisman] Phys. Armor
[X][Talisman] Phys. Avoid
[X][Talisman] Health
[X][Talisman] Spiritual Hit
[X][Talisman] Resist
I'm not sure I follow on the logic of health synergizing with drain, as intuitively to me from playing League of Legends like a pleb the natural thing to pair with lots of healing is lots of resists to expand the effective healthpool...but there's armor literally right there so eh.
Not a fan of using mechanics for character decisions.
[X][Talisman] Phys. Armor
[X][Talisman] Phys. Avoid
[X][Talisman] Health
[X][Talisman] Spiritual Hit
[X][Talisman] Resist
I'm not sure I follow on the logic of health synergizing with drain, as intuitively to me from playing League of Legends like a pleb the natural thing to pair with lots of healing is lots of resists to expand the effective healthpool...but there's armor literally right there so eh.
Not a fan of using mechanics for character decisions.
Higher health means a larger safe zone for actually using that life-leech.
Otherwise it's easy to run into situations where it's unsafe to try and leech health back to heal, or in which you can't stop leeching lest you'd pop when it's otherwise tactically desirable.
It's also one-shot protection, 'cause you aren't leeching if you're dead.
And while I'm posting... @Thor's Twin, you've got a bit of a typo in your vote.
[X][Dress] Phys. Armor, Health
[X][Talisman] Social Perception
Social Perception is not for personal development, its for Hanyi understanding who she's trying to influence, instead of doing counterproductive approaches to get attention but lose desire to assist.
Hmm, wonder how that relates to tides...Moon qi tugging on the moon's reflection?
Just usually not Archive stuff
Happy that Ling Qi is over it, but still ouch.
The streets teach much the same lessons as the jungle.
Her statement has the ring of interesting peeks at Bai art insights.
"Those who rule must be the strongest, else we would collapse into warlordism and chaos" - This particularly sounds like a philosophy tied closely to their conception of leadership
", but there are many roles in this world which are not ruling. " - And this particular part an advanced insight over that?
"You cannot remain connected to others without giving of yourself. " - This is an odd one, the Earth art she picked up?
"It is impossible to relate to others without hurting and being hurt in turn. We fear, and we are feared, But pains and fears have worth, when they bring us the happiness of companionship. There is more to strength than raw might." - ...err, we seem to have caused a Heart Demon with lakegate and how it wrapped up.
I suppose it did make her a stronger person as a result.
[X][Talisman] Social Perception
Social Perception is not for personal development, its for Hanyi understanding who she's trying to influence, instead of doing counterproductive approaches to get attention but lose desire to assist.
All is connected behind the scenes.
Hmm, wonder how that relates to tides...Moon qi tugging on the moon's reflection?
Spoopy. Trying to figure out how the liminal realm maps to conventional stuff seems liable to be difficult without intimate knowledge of the thing.
Downsides of high Manipulation - when you need a friend to call you out on things they need to be skilled enough to see through your screen of concealing bullshit and close enough to know they can get away with it.
Well she's always haring off with new cultivation.
Just usually not Archive stuff
Bit of an ouch for Meizhen to realize she was the bad example here.
Happy that Ling Qi is over it, but still ouch.
Kind of wonder how it looks from the outside. Blinking in and out as she dances?
Always to show strength and hide weakness.
The streets teach much the same lessons as the jungle.
And there's the root of the Heart Demon - Ling Qi can't really accept, deep down, that you can matter without personal power. Thats rooted in her SCS growth insight, so she can't just pluck it out either.
This sounds a lot like a clan cautionary tale behind that.
Cui: "The mouse has grown bold. Perhaps she should be bitten, lest she gets into the grain."
Her statement has the ring of interesting peeks at Bai art insights.
"Those who rule must be the strongest, else we would collapse into warlordism and chaos" - This particularly sounds like a philosophy tied closely to their conception of leadership
", but there are many roles in this world which are not ruling. " - And this particular part an advanced insight over that?
"You cannot remain connected to others without giving of yourself. " - This is an odd one, the Earth art she picked up?
"It is impossible to relate to others without hurting and being hurt in turn. We fear, and we are feared, But pains and fears have worth, when they bring us the happiness of companionship. There is more to strength than raw might." - ...err, we seem to have caused a Heart Demon with lakegate and how it wrapped up.
I suppose it did make her a stronger person as a result.
Nowhere better to park a Bai than on defense though!
And hear the lamentations of their accountants.
#Savagery
Deadly dangerous, if you know the insights well enough you could deliberately attack their cultivation base by forcing paradoxes.
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Oh, that's a great way to put it. Ling Qi devaluing her past self, and unconsciously placing lower worth on people without a lot of power... and she can't quite wrap her head around imbalanced but healthy relationships, either.
TimEd
Meteor maker
Well. Can you blame LQ for that though? The votes have been fairly consistent with only dealing with "weaklings" only when there is no longer any convenient way to avoid interacting with them.
She's learning what it means to be the one with power for the first time in her life, and weakness reminds her too much of what she wanted to leave behind.
She's learning what it means to be the one with power for the first time in her life, and weakness reminds her too much of what she wanted to leave behind.
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- Florida
Hmm with poise it might be we can avoid her getting into trouble as much such as with lightning girl snatchin our green stone, on the other hand perception would go for more schemes that give a more likely chance of success, however there is also just straight up buffing her with everything else.
Ehhh leaning on the fence, not feelin anything callin out to me talisman is your all's problem.
Edit- Fellin it now want her to be more sturdy in a fight rather than have some weird talisman messing with her brain
[X][Dress] Phys. Armor, Health
[X][Talisman] Phys. Armor
[X][Talisman] Phys. Avoid
[X][Talisman] Health
[X][Talisman] Spiritual Hit
[X][Talisman] Resist
Ehhh leaning on the fence, not feelin anything callin out to me talisman is your all's problem.
Edit- Fellin it now want her to be more sturdy in a fight rather than have some weird talisman messing with her brain
[X][Dress] Phys. Armor, Health
[X][Talisman] Phys. Armor
[X][Talisman] Phys. Avoid
[X][Talisman] Health
[X][Talisman] Spiritual Hit
[X][Talisman] Resist
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- United States of America
Do you know what I'm finding particularly intriguing right now? Ling Qi doesn't seem to be actually using PLR to step into the dream during this training, just pure skill, which I find fantastic. I think the more natural it is for her to enter the Dream without the need for arts, the more readily accessible the Dream and whatever treasures it holds will become to Ling Qi.
TimEd
Meteor maker
Well, LQ already got that lesson about how Arts are just crutches made so that it would be easier for lower realm cultivators to emulate specific things done by those of a higher realm.
And also how, like CRX, some (we dont really have enough info to see the ratio) have their domain/focus/whatever turned inward so it is less obvious that they are also working towards emulating their arts into self learned skills.
- Location
- Spain
But pains and fears have worth, when they bring us the happiness of companionship.
Though a path might be hard and lonely, it has worth if you can present something of beauty to those you care for at the end.
Is that Meizhen's take on LQ's insight, but adapted to her own personal key concepts? Or perhaps a different, yet similar insight that Meizhen herself arrived to? It certainly sounds insight-like.
Hardship and loneliness, which is what the former street rat, Ling Qi, has struggled with all of her life.
Pain and fear, which likely Meizhen underwent growing up as a Bai, probably among conspirators, assassination attempts, and let's not forget her mother's execution and her father's... absence.
Both of these serve to turn the bad things each girl suffers from into something they can draw benefits from. Turn them from a nuisance into a resource, thant brings about something they cherish. Something of beauty for the sake of those important to one, and the happiness of companionship.
Interesting to muse about, to say the least.
Though a path might be hard and lonely, it has worth if you can present something of beauty to those you care for at the end.
Is that Meizhen's take on LQ's insight, but adapted to her own personal key concepts? Or perhaps a different, yet similar insight that Meizhen herself arrived to? It certainly sounds insight-like.
Hardship and loneliness, which is what the former street rat, Ling Qi, has struggled with all of her life.
Pain and fear, which likely Meizhen underwent growing up as a Bai, probably among conspirators, assassination attempts, and let's not forget her mother's execution and her father's... absence.
Both of these serve to turn the bad things each girl suffers from into something they can draw benefits from. Turn them from a nuisance into a resource, thant brings about something they cherish. Something of beauty for the sake of those important to one, and the happiness of companionship.
Interesting to muse about, to say the least.
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- The Space Between
I think it's fascinating how well Taoist philosophy of the setting here is melding with the conventions of writing and narrative. This is two cultivators sharing their Insights while practicing, which gives the audience "insight" into the characters, which also gives the characters "insights" into eachother and themselves. Works on at least 3 levels, which is excellente *chef's kiss* que buenissimo
Meizhen is potentially the front runner for Heir of White Bai Clan. Her insights here are important, because in societies with Warrior Scholars like this setting you *really* need a robust understanding of the power of the commons or you'll eventually get rebels. Scary rebels.
"Those who rule must be the strongest, else we would collapse into warlordism and chaos" - this is basically how the Bai Clans created their civilization. Zheng are warlordism-adjacent with their Water Margins style chaos, and Heavenly Peaks has always had a hard time wrassling the Bai into compliance because their emperors *must* be the strongest or else the Bai will grow bold and unruly.
"there are many roles in this world which are not ruling." - This is obviously true, but it's possible that this insight (or statement) is talking about the respect due to other castes. The tug of war between You Must Be Strongest To Rule and the Respect NonRuling Caste is a delicate tug for a ruling caste, since over investment in Respect can become an area you can be taken advantage of in. Simultaneously, if you have too many generations that lack that respect you end up with Warlordism. Because this "The ruler must be strongest" is technically not the same as "the strongest becomes ruler". Sun's Rebellion is basically a degeneration back to Warlordism because it was preferable to many when compared to the Ruling Caste's despotism. Tyranny, governance of the Tyrant, was coined by some Athenian elites who hated the populist "Tyrant" of Athens who had ousted them as the first example of StrongMan anti-elitist politics within a democratic republic. Ideally the Tyrant class of the White Bai would be both the strongest *and* the most in tune with the common powers. That's how the eldest sister won in the first place after all, allying with the youngest and weakest since Social Alliance is the easiest way to get a combat advantage against relative peers. Raw Numbers. 2v1. EZ win.
Sun's Rebellion is evidence that there was some sort of deep mismanagement of the Bai tenets. It would seem to me that the mismanagement was a degradation of the "Noblesse Oblige" or Nobel Obligation of the Noble Strong to the Common Mortal. Usually people say "absolute power corrupts absolutely" but that's not accurate in my opinion. Absolute Power reveals the Truth of the holder, by allowing them to act on their desires however they wish. The only constraint on a Tyrant is the social codes of the previous Tyrants. There were many Roman Emperors that were "Good Emperors" but it only takes one to significantly buck the social constraints without consequence and the ties break down and the system collapses. Meizhen has the disposition to be a Good Tyrant. Someone that can take absolute power and leverage it for great destruction, but also great kindness. We know little of Bai Suzhen but she's a reformer and I assume she recognizes the special-ness of Meizhen <3 yay best snek
"You cannot remain connected to others without giving of yourself. " - eeyup. The Father and Mother Who Were had to suffer through great calamity to be able to interact and communicate and create Reality with one another. This works alongside the next insight stretch.
"It is impossible to relate to others without hurting and being hurt in turn. We fear, and we are feared, But pains and fears have worth, when they bring us the happiness of companionship. There is more to strength than raw might." - There's an Anime called BACCANO! that has a character posit that "Mercy and compassion are virtues that only the strong are privileged to possess." and I think Meizhen would agree. In a Death World, sometimes the desperate path is taken and kindness must be sacrificed for survival. To Choose Kindness, To Choose Compassion, To Choose Mercy, these things are heavy. Though they take Strength to carry, they aren't burdens they're capable of great power when wielded. That's the piece that is mistaken for LQ and many forms of media I've read/seen/heard. Being Righteous is a tremendous power. There is a video on youtube of Mr Rogers appealing to Congress to not cut funding for PBS. He's asked about what sort of lessons his show tries to teach children. He sings most of a song he wrote, and causes many of the Congress people to tear up and they drop the proposed cuts on the spot. It's like a stage play, but really. Being Good, Sincere and Righteous is powerful. It's just really damn difficult lolol
We are having an issue here that somewhat comes back to our core. We want both the wings of freedom and the roots/vines of connections. It's extra work to be sure, but looking at it like a *burden* is the problem. This could very well be a deep well of strength, but we're in need of socialization. To see the value of social ties and social networks. To see the strength of the commons, the strength of systems and collections of people. We understand the lonely aspect of our nature, the wings, but *truly* understanding the Strengths of our roots is perhaps the theme of Threads overall. The social aspect, how we choose to engage with it, and where our core moral values and goals will be when the Grand Arc of History inevitably starts popping off is very important for subsequent installments. I'm very excited. I didn't even talk about how cool the liminal plane is! ahh! Another time for sure.
Thank you for coming to my effort post! Here is a heart for you <3 I hope you're doing well <3
Meizhen is potentially the front runner for Heir of White Bai Clan. Her insights here are important, because in societies with Warrior Scholars like this setting you *really* need a robust understanding of the power of the commons or you'll eventually get rebels. Scary rebels.
"Those who rule must be the strongest, else we would collapse into warlordism and chaos" - this is basically how the Bai Clans created their civilization. Zheng are warlordism-adjacent with their Water Margins style chaos, and Heavenly Peaks has always had a hard time wrassling the Bai into compliance because their emperors *must* be the strongest or else the Bai will grow bold and unruly.
"there are many roles in this world which are not ruling." - This is obviously true, but it's possible that this insight (or statement) is talking about the respect due to other castes. The tug of war between You Must Be Strongest To Rule and the Respect NonRuling Caste is a delicate tug for a ruling caste, since over investment in Respect can become an area you can be taken advantage of in. Simultaneously, if you have too many generations that lack that respect you end up with Warlordism. Because this "The ruler must be strongest" is technically not the same as "the strongest becomes ruler". Sun's Rebellion is basically a degeneration back to Warlordism because it was preferable to many when compared to the Ruling Caste's despotism. Tyranny, governance of the Tyrant, was coined by some Athenian elites who hated the populist "Tyrant" of Athens who had ousted them as the first example of StrongMan anti-elitist politics within a democratic republic. Ideally the Tyrant class of the White Bai would be both the strongest *and* the most in tune with the common powers. That's how the eldest sister won in the first place after all, allying with the youngest and weakest since Social Alliance is the easiest way to get a combat advantage against relative peers. Raw Numbers. 2v1. EZ win.
Sun's Rebellion is evidence that there was some sort of deep mismanagement of the Bai tenets. It would seem to me that the mismanagement was a degradation of the "Noblesse Oblige" or Nobel Obligation of the Noble Strong to the Common Mortal. Usually people say "absolute power corrupts absolutely" but that's not accurate in my opinion. Absolute Power reveals the Truth of the holder, by allowing them to act on their desires however they wish. The only constraint on a Tyrant is the social codes of the previous Tyrants. There were many Roman Emperors that were "Good Emperors" but it only takes one to significantly buck the social constraints without consequence and the ties break down and the system collapses. Meizhen has the disposition to be a Good Tyrant. Someone that can take absolute power and leverage it for great destruction, but also great kindness. We know little of Bai Suzhen but she's a reformer and I assume she recognizes the special-ness of Meizhen <3 yay best snek
"You cannot remain connected to others without giving of yourself. " - eeyup. The Father and Mother Who Were had to suffer through great calamity to be able to interact and communicate and create Reality with one another. This works alongside the next insight stretch.
"It is impossible to relate to others without hurting and being hurt in turn. We fear, and we are feared, But pains and fears have worth, when they bring us the happiness of companionship. There is more to strength than raw might." - There's an Anime called BACCANO! that has a character posit that "Mercy and compassion are virtues that only the strong are privileged to possess." and I think Meizhen would agree. In a Death World, sometimes the desperate path is taken and kindness must be sacrificed for survival. To Choose Kindness, To Choose Compassion, To Choose Mercy, these things are heavy. Though they take Strength to carry, they aren't burdens they're capable of great power when wielded. That's the piece that is mistaken for LQ and many forms of media I've read/seen/heard. Being Righteous is a tremendous power. There is a video on youtube of Mr Rogers appealing to Congress to not cut funding for PBS. He's asked about what sort of lessons his show tries to teach children. He sings most of a song he wrote, and causes many of the Congress people to tear up and they drop the proposed cuts on the spot. It's like a stage play, but really. Being Good, Sincere and Righteous is powerful. It's just really damn difficult lolol
We are having an issue here that somewhat comes back to our core. We want both the wings of freedom and the roots/vines of connections. It's extra work to be sure, but looking at it like a *burden* is the problem. This could very well be a deep well of strength, but we're in need of socialization. To see the value of social ties and social networks. To see the strength of the commons, the strength of systems and collections of people. We understand the lonely aspect of our nature, the wings, but *truly* understanding the Strengths of our roots is perhaps the theme of Threads overall. The social aspect, how we choose to engage with it, and where our core moral values and goals will be when the Grand Arc of History inevitably starts popping off is very important for subsequent installments. I'm very excited. I didn't even talk about how cool the liminal plane is! ahh! Another time for sure.
Thank you for coming to my effort post! Here is a heart for you <3 I hope you're doing well <3
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- Location
- France
[X][Talisman] Social Perception
- Location
- Florida
So what your saying is we should make another lakegate
[X][Dress] Phys. Armor, Health
[X][Talisman] Phys. Armor
[X][Talisman] Phys. Avoid
[X][Talisman] Health
[X][Talisman] Spiritual Hit
[X][Talisman] Resist
Using talismans to try and force character development is the silliest thing the thread has done in awhile
[X][Talisman] Phys. Armor
[X][Talisman] Phys. Avoid
[X][Talisman] Health
[X][Talisman] Spiritual Hit
[X][Talisman] Resist
Using talismans to try and force character development is the silliest thing the thread has done in awhile
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- Florida
SLUUURPGET OUT!
Ahh those are some salty tears right there