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We have to evacuate the people in Buffalo anyway - they helped the BRO root out the Victorian veterans so they're facing reprisals no matter what from here on out. I'm not comfortable with letting Blackwell walk away with a win by using his people as human shields, and I'm even less comfortable with abandoning these people to Victorian reprisals.

Edit: I'm not thrilled with attacking the infrastructure either tbh. Doing so will not only worsen our public perception (we are basically attacking civilian targets, and there's no way Blackwell won't exploit that), but also harms the common people who live in Victoria significantly. Furthermore, it's significantly more risky in terms of military strategy - if we 'free' Buffalo, Blackwell is forced to come attack us in our fortified position, and we've already seen how that goes. Meanwhile attacking the infrastructure allows Victoria to do what they do best - guerilla warfare, and gives Blackwell the ability to bleed us and force a decisive engagement. None of this even mentions the long term repercussions of each option. After all, at some point someone who isn't Victoria is going to have control of the lands we'd be tearing up, and I don't imagine they'd be thrilled with our actions. Meanwhile having Buffalo as an ally either means we have a buffer state to fend off Victorian aggression (or serve as a Causus Belli when Victoria inevitably retakes it after we evacuate the civvies), or is the first step to more clay, depending on how we decide to deal with Buffalo in the future.

[X] This was not a decisive blow, merely a painful setback. It wasn't even a defeat! You achieved your operational objectives and pushed out the forces responsible for this. Operations will continue. Continue the war, now racing internal dissent as well as Loyalist pressure.
-[X] If you can make it unacceptable for Blackwell to keep waiting you out, he'll be forced to attack you, guaranteeing you a crushing, heavily symbolic victory. Put about on public broadcast announcements of a Plebiscite of Independence for Buffalo. They hate Blackwell more than they hate you, and he knows it. Blackwell absolutely cannot ignore the threat this leaves, and has to to launch an attack immediately - which will end in a dismal failure.
 
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[X] This isn't worth it. Call for peace with the Loyalists and accept that they will be able to use this travesty as a victory for leverage in negotiations. Victoria will present a peace plan. It will be significantly better for them than what you offered. You get to choose to accept or reject it. Negotiations will keep you locked up long enough that snow will be on the ground and practical campaigning will be done with.
 
Just a thought: I don't think that arguments like "We can't let Victoria think that sacrificing civilians is an OK tactic." are valid.
This is Victoria. They are goddamned monsters, down to their very core.

They are monsters, but Blackwell, at least is not stupid. If he sees a tactic doesn't work with us, he won't try it again - at least not with our armies. Alternatively, if casualties from a city he's kind of written off get killed and it means immediately we seek a peace, then you can basically guarantee he will do it again, because it get results.



On another note, for those concerned about the civilian population of Buffalo in this option...

-[ ] If you can make it unacceptable for Blackwell to keep waiting you out, he'll be forced to attack you, guaranteeing you a crushing, heavily symbolic victory. Put about on public broadcast announcements that you're planning to recognize Buffalo and surrounds -- including the Niagara Isthmus -- as an independent and free city, and are organizing elections to that effect. Blackwell absolutely could not ignore that, and would be politically required to launch an attack immediately, which would get him slaughtered. The downside is that you'd need to get the population out, because anybody remaining behind would have a death sentence on their heads. Something to demand in the peace treaty after you crush Blackwell's assault, in exchange for returning the physical location to him. Also...well, this looks fairly callous, and being used as bait for a trap won't really make the people of Buffalo grateful, much less being relocated from their homes under threat of death afterwards. And if you don't get peace, somehow, you're in the nasty position of having to evacuate a city under siege using your logistics...or leaving it.

Keep in mind that as per @PoptartProdigy, the population of Buffalo aided us in rooting out the old men, which means Victoria will be seeking to make an example of them already. Thus, taking this option doesn't really make things worse for them...it just gets a lot of militia moving our way.
 
[X] This was not a decisive blow, merely a painful setback. It wasn't even a defeat! You achieved your operational objectives and pushed out the forces responsible for this. Operations will continue. Continue the war, now racing internal dissent as well as Loyalist pressure.
-[X] If you can make it unacceptable for Blackwell to keep waiting you out, he'll be forced to attack you, guaranteeing you a crushing, heavily symbolic victory. Put about on public broadcast announcements that you're planning to recognize Buffalo and surrounds -- including the Niagara Isthmus -- as an independent and free city, and are organizing elections to that effect. Blackwell absolutely could not ignore that, and would be politically required to launch an attack immediately, which would get him slaughtered. The downside is that you'd need to get the population out, because anybody remaining behind would have a death sentence on their heads. Something to demand in the peace treaty after you crush Blackwell's assault, in exchange for returning the physical location to him. Also...well, this looks fairly callous, and being used as bait for a trap won't really make the people of Buffalo grateful, much less being relocated from their homes under threat of death afterwards. And if you don't get peace, somehow, you're in the nasty position of having to evacuate a city under siege using your logistics...or leaving it.

[X] This was not a decisive blow, merely a painful setback. It wasn't even a defeat! You achieved your operational objectives and pushed out the forces responsible for this. Operations will continue. Continue the war, now racing internal dissent as well as Loyalist pressure.
-[X] Blackwell has overplayed his hand; by calling a muster at Rochester, he's given you a concrete target. If you move out to the city with your motorized forces, you should be able cut the forces there off from supply and communications, and force a decisive battle with your superior forces. The risk is that they get enough warning to simply, leaving you very overextended and vulnerable to attacks on your own supply lines.
 
[X] This was not a decisive blow, merely a painful setback. It wasn't even a defeat! You achieved your operational objectives and pushed out the forces responsible for this. Operations will continue. Continue the war, now racing internal dissent as well as Loyalist pressure.
-[X] If you can make it unacceptable for Blackwell to keep waiting you out, he'll be forced to attack you, guaranteeing you a crushing, heavily symbolic victory. Put about on public broadcast announcements that you're planning to recognize Buffalo and surrounds -- including the Niagara Isthmus -- as an independent and free city, and are organizing elections to that effect. Blackwell absolutely could not ignore that, and would be politically required to launch an attack immediately, which would get him slaughtered. The downside is that you'd need to get the population out, because anybody remaining behind would have a death sentence on their heads. Something to demand in the peace treaty after you crush Blackwell's assault, in exchange for returning the physical location to him. Also...well, this looks fairly callous, and being used as bait for a trap won't really make the people of Buffalo grateful, much less being relocated from their homes under threat of death afterwards. And if you don't get peace, somehow, you're in the nasty position of having to evacuate a city under siege using your logistics...or leaving it.

[X] This was not a decisive blow, merely a painful setback. It wasn't even a defeat! You achieved your operational objectives and pushed out the forces responsible for this. Operations will continue. Continue the war, now racing internal dissent as well as Loyalist pressure.
-[X] Blackwell wants to avoid your main strength and strike where you are weak? Two can play at that game. Advance a couple of divisions as tripwires against an assault from Rochester and disperse the rest into upstate New York. Tear up the industrial infrastructure Blackwell needs to fight these wars, and he will be forced to respond, allowing you to draw him out to battle on your own terms. The risk is that, when he responds, he managed to find a favorable engagement and bleed you enough that the victory you're seeking is denied.
 
[X] This was not a decisive blow, merely a painful setback. It wasn't even a defeat! You achieved your operational objectives and pushed out the forces responsible for this. Operations will continue. Continue the war, now racing internal dissent as well as Loyalist pressure.
-[X] If you can make it unacceptable for Blackwell to keep waiting you out, he'll be forced to attack you, guaranteeing you a crushing, heavily symbolic victory. Put about on public broadcast announcements that you're planning to recognize Buffalo and surrounds -- including the Niagara Isthmus -- as an independent and free city, and are organizing elections to that effect. Blackwell absolutely could not ignore that, and would be politically required to launch an attack immediately, which would get him slaughtered. The downside is that you'd need to get the population out, because anybody remaining behind would have a death sentence on their heads. Something to demand in the peace treaty after you crush Blackwell's assault, in exchange for returning the physical location to him. Also...well, this looks fairly callous, and being used as bait for a trap won't really make the people of Buffalo grateful, much less being relocated from their homes under threat of death afterwards. And if you don't get peace, somehow, you're in the nasty position of having to evacuate a city under siege using your logistics...or leaving it.
 
[X] This was not a decisive blow, merely a painful setback. It wasn't even a defeat! You achieved your operational objectives and pushed out the forces responsible for this. Operations will continue. Continue the war, now racing internal dissent as well as Loyalist pressure.
-[X] If you can make it unacceptable for Blackwell to keep waiting you out, he'll be forced to attack you, guaranteeing you a crushing, heavily symbolic victory. Put about on public broadcast announcements that you're planning to recognize Buffalo and surrounds -- including the Niagara Isthmus -- as an independent and free city, and are organizing elections to that effect. Blackwell absolutely could not ignore that, and would be politically required to launch an attack immediately, which would get him slaughtered. The downside is that you'd need to get the population out, because anybody remaining behind would have a death sentence on their heads. Something to demand in the peace treaty after you crush Blackwell's assault, in exchange for returning the physical location to him. Also...well, this looks fairly callous, and being used as bait for a trap won't really make the people of Buffalo grateful, much less being relocated from their homes under threat of death afterwards. And if you don't get peace, somehow, you're in the nasty position of having to evacuate a city under siege using your logistics...or leaving it.
 
[X] This was not a decisive blow, merely a painful setback. It wasn't even a defeat! You achieved your operational objectives and pushed out the forces responsible for this. Operations will continue. Continue the war, now racing internal dissent as well as Loyalist pressure.
-[X] Blackwell is waiting to do enough damage to you that he can land a decisive blow. If you halt where you are and simply wait through the winter, you deny him that opportunity, and this momentary perception of victory starts to fade. Throughout, you'll send annoyance raids using your F-16s; this won't apply much pressure, but it'll at least make the point that you have in no way been beaten by this sanctioned terrorist attack. If he attacks in order to keep his symbolic victory, great, he'll suffer a massive defeat! If he doesn't attack, also fine. You'll withdraw with spring, your point made; that is your walk-away point. The risk is that this one plays really fast and loose with the risk of a regime change which, given the Farmers' stated stance that they'll peace out on first offer, will drastically undercut the message you're trying to convey.

[X] This was not a decisive blow, merely a painful setback. It wasn't even a defeat! You achieved your operational objectives and pushed out the forces responsible for this. Operations will continue. Continue the war, now racing internal dissent as well as Loyalist pressure.
-[X] If you can make it unacceptable for Blackwell to keep waiting you out, he'll be forced to attack you, guaranteeing you a crushing, heavily symbolic victory. Put about on public broadcast announcements that you're planning to recognize Buffalo and surrounds -- including the Niagara Isthmus -- as an independent and free city, and are organizing elections to that effect. Blackwell absolutely could not ignore that, and would be politically required to launch an attack immediately, which would get him slaughtered. The downside is that you'd need to get the population out, because anybody remaining behind would have a death sentence on their heads. Something to demand in the peace treaty after you crush Blackwell's assault, in exchange for returning the physical location to him. Also...well, this looks fairly callous, and being used as bait for a trap won't really make the people of Buffalo grateful, much less being relocated from their homes under threat of death afterwards. And if you don't get peace, somehow, you're in the nasty position of having to evacuate a city under siege using your logistics...or leaving it.
 
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[X] This was not a decisive blow, merely a painful setback. It wasn't even a defeat! You achieved your operational objectives and pushed out the forces responsible for this. Operations will continue. Continue the war, now racing internal dissent as well as Loyalist pressure.
-[X] Blackwell is waiting to do enough damage to you that he can land a decisive blow. If you halt where you are and simply wait through the winter, you deny him that opportunity, and this momentary perception of victory starts to fade. Throughout, you'll send annoyance raids using your F-16s; this won't apply much pressure, but it'll at least make the point that you have in no way been beaten by this sanctioned terrorist attack. If he attacks in order to keep his symbolic victory, great, he'll suffer a massive defeat! If he doesn't attack, also fine. You'll withdraw with spring, your point made; that is your walk-away point. The risk is that this one plays really fast and loose with the risk of a regime change which, given the Farmers' stated stance that they'll peace out on first offer, will drastically undercut the message you're trying to convey.


[X] This was not a decisive blow, merely a painful setback. It wasn't even a defeat! You achieved your operational objectives and pushed out the forces responsible for this. Operations will continue. Continue the war, now racing internal dissent as well as Loyalist pressure.
-[X] If you can make it unacceptable for Blackwell to keep waiting you out, he'll be forced to attack you, guaranteeing you a crushing, heavily symbolic victory. Put about on public broadcast announcements of a Plebiscite of Independence for Buffalo. They hate Blackwell more than they hate you, and he knows it. Blackwell absolutely cannot ignore the threat this leaves, and has to to launch an attack immediately - which will end in a dismal failure.

I'm game for either of these.
EDIT: Changed the unilateral announcement to the Plebicite.
 
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Keep in mind that as per @PoptartProdigy, the population of Buffalo aided us in rooting out the old men, which means Victoria will be seeking to make an example of them already. Thus, taking this option doesn't really make things worse for them...it just gets a lot of militia moving our way.
I think this option is definitely going to make things worse for them, actually. Victoria can tolerate some collaboration with an occupying force, especially when they're so desperate to patch themselves together. (And especially since there are so few of those old men left alive to snitch on who might have sold them out.) But actual secession is another matter entirely. Buffalo has some reprisals headed its way, no matter what, but in my opinion, this would make those reprisals substantially harsher.

I mean, that doesn't necessarily mean it's not worth it, but that is a real cost attached to this option.

Personally, the option to threaten to make Buffalo a free city sounds a bit dubious. If it fails, we'll be stuck in an deeply uncomfortable situation with regards to the citizens of Buffalo. Evacuating or defending all those people is not going to be easy. With our logistics being as strained as they are, it might not even be possible at all. And all that has to happen for this plan to fail is for the Loyalists to just not take the bait. They may just decide they have larger problems. And with the CMC still on the loose much closer to home than we are, it's not hard to see why they'd do that.

If we're going to push for a battle instead of a peace, we should take the offensive and attack immediately. Trying to manipulate of Blackwell into making an attack strikes me as bad strategy. We don't really know what he's actually thinking or what's influencing his decisions.
 
[X] This was not a decisive blow, merely a painful setback. It wasn't even a defeat! You achieved your operational objectives and pushed out the forces responsible for this. Operations will continue. Continue the war, now racing internal dissent as well as Loyalist pressure.
-[X] If you can make it unacceptable for Blackwell to keep waiting you out, he'll be forced to attack you, guaranteeing you a crushing, heavily symbolic victory. Put about on public broadcast announcements of a Plebiscite of Independence for Buffalo. They hate Blackwell more than they hate you, and he knows it. Blackwell absolutely cannot ignore the threat this leaves, and has to to launch an attack immediately - which will end in a dismal failure.

I ask that those voting for the tripwire plan strongly reconsider doing so. We only have around 60k combat troops and at bare minimum we can expect twice and more likely three, four or more times the number of militia to be hiding around Upstate New York. Tearing up infrastructure is an inherently dispersed operation, and we would be fighting on Victorian home turf deep into the winter, and we would be deeply stretched in terms of supply. Again, due to the dispersed nature of infrastructure destruction operations, neither could we expect significant amounts of air support. We cannot in all honesty afford to sustain casualties of even 30% or 40%, as such a depletion would render us vulnerable to a massed militia force simply being able to run us over and tear us to shreds as what could charitably be described as a "front line" bloats massively with any real offensive operation.

To be clear none of these options make me particularly happy, but of them the Buffalo Bait plan makes the greatest use of our strengths. The Buffalo area is directly in contact with the southern portion of the Niagara river, making outflanking and trapping us in Buffalo essentially impossible as our escape route is braced against this effectively unbreakable wall. Urban fighting is the closest thing we will get to an effective mitigation of overwhelming Victorian numbers, and it plays into our superior ability to fortify positions, and it forces Victorian militia to live off the land as they approach us which has already been pillaged once by the Crusaders in the middle of winter. The battle space is also sufficiently small that we could potentially expect the assistance of our air force, and possibly the navy though I doubt it.
 
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[X] This was not a decisive blow, merely a painful setback. It wasn't even a defeat! You achieved your operational objectives and pushed out the forces responsible for this. Operations will continue. Continue the war, now racing internal dissent as well as Loyalist pressure.
-[X] Blackwell is waiting to do enough damage to you that he can land a decisive blow. If you halt where you are and simply wait through the winter, you deny him that opportunity, and this momentary perception of victory starts to fade. Throughout, you'll send annoyance raids using your F-16s; this won't apply much pressure, but it'll at least make the point that you have in no way been beaten by this sanctioned terrorist attack. If he attacks in order to keep his symbolic victory, great, he'll suffer a massive defeat! If he doesn't attack, also fine. You'll withdraw with spring, your point made; that is your walk-away point. The risk is that this one plays really fast and loose with the risk of a regime change which, given the Farmers' stated stance that they'll peace out on first offer, will drastically undercut the message you're trying to convey.

[X] This was not a decisive blow, merely a painful setback. It wasn't even a defeat! You achieved your operational objectives and pushed out the forces responsible for this. Operations will continue. Continue the war, now racing internal dissent as well as Loyalist pressure.
-[X] Blackwell wants to avoid your main strength and strike where you are weak? Two can play at that game. Advance a couple of divisions as tripwires against an assault from Rochester and disperse the rest into upstate New York. Tear up the industrial infrastructure Blackwell needs to fight these wars, and he will be forced to respond, allowing you to draw him out to battle on your own terms. The risk is that, when he responds, he managed to find a favorable engagement and bleed you enough that the victory you're seeking is denied.

Thoughts: For reasons that others have already stated, going for peace at this time is the absolute worst choice. However, I don't really agree with declaring Buffalo independent or attacking Rochester.
For the independence declaration, I don't think the benefits outweigh the downsides. We don't really need another way to piss off Victoria, just the fact that we managed to occupy one of their cities means that we pissed them off. Using Buffalo as bait just seems excessive, while possibly also making us look shady to any third parties. That said, I'm not completely opposed to it, since we would probably have to either make a vassal city or evacuate the population anyway.
However, attacking Rochester seems like the worst option. It just screams trap. Victoria has already that they don't mind throwing away their citizens lives to make us bleed, and they seem to be catching on to the fact that they can't really beat us in a fair fight. That's why my favorite option is the Raiding Parties. It seems like the option Blackwell will least expect, and thus can adapt to the least.
 
[X] This was not a decisive blow, merely a painful setback. It wasn't even a defeat! You achieved your operational objectives and pushed out the forces responsible for this. Operations will continue. Continue the war, now racing internal dissent as well as Loyalist pressure.
-[X] If you can make it unacceptable for Blackwell to keep waiting you out, he'll be forced to attack you, guaranteeing you a crushing, heavily symbolic victory. Put about on public broadcast announcements of a Plebiscite of Independence for Buffalo. They hate Blackwell more than they hate you, and he knows it. Blackwell absolutely cannot ignore the threat this leaves, and has to to launch an attack immediately - which will end in a dismal failure.
 
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[X] This was not a decisive blow, merely a painful setback. It wasn't even a defeat! You achieved your operational objectives and pushed out the forces responsible for this. Operations will continue. Continue the war, now racing internal dissent as well as Loyalist pressure.
-[X] Blackwell wants to avoid your main strength and strike where you are weak? Two can play at that game. Advance a couple of divisions as tripwires against an assault from Rochester and disperse the rest into upstate New York. Tear up the industrial infrastructure Blackwell needs to fight these wars, and he will be forced to respond, allowing you to draw him out to battle on your own terms. The risk is that, when he responds, he managed to find a favorable engagement and bleed you enough that the victory you're seeking is denied.

-[ ] If you can make it unacceptable for Blackwell to keep waiting you out, he'll be forced to attack you, guaranteeing you a crushing, heavily symbolic victory. Put about on public broadcast announcements that you're planning to recognize Buffalo and surrounds -- including the Niagara Isthmus -- as an independent and free city, and are organizing elections to that effect. Blackwell absolutely could not ignore tha t,and would be politically required to launch an attack immediately, which would get him slaughtered. The downside is that you'd need to get the population out, because anybody remaining behind would have a death sentence on their heads. Something to demand in the peace treaty after you crush Blackwell's assault, in exchange for returning the physical location to him. Also...well, this looks fairly callous, and being used as bait for a trap won't really make the people of Buffalo grateful, much less being relocated from their homes under threat of death afterwards. And if you don't get peace, somehow, you're in the nasty position of having to evacuate a city under siege using your logistics...or leaving it.
 
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If we're going to push for a battle instead of a peace, we should take the offensive and attack immediately. Trying to manipulate of Blackwell into making an attack strikes me as bad strategy. We don't really know what he's actually thinking or what's influencing his decisions.

Let me pull from @PoptartProdigy's statements on discord...

Victoria as a state can survive even the full DC 90 treaty. They cannot survive the precedent that they will cede territory.

Victoria cannot permit secessionism. They cannot permit the appearance that they are permitting secessionism. If you declare a free Buffalo, you will see a massed attack before the snows come. It's just that anybody still in the city once Victoria retakes possession is going to die.

Announce over public radio the formation of the Buffalo Free State and start holding public elections.

That'll get the Vicks moving.

I think that's fairly conclusive.
 
[X] This was not a decisive blow, merely a painful setback. It wasn't even a defeat! You achieved your operational objectives and pushed out the forces responsible for this. Operations will continue. Continue the war, now racing internal dissent as well as Loyalist pressure.
 
Vote's open, and here are the options. Rewritten in light of the most common complaints and questions for clarification, and including write-ins and new options.
I'm pretty strongly against peacing out under these circumstances.
That said, I'm pretty nervous about the option that has us declaring the Buffalo Free State.
It wins the tactical battle while costing us the war.

Yes, it's a brilliantly cold option that strikes right at the foundations of Victorian, and Blackwell's legitimacy, by exploiting Victorian psychology.
But it WILL have diplomatic consequences if we set the precedent of being willing to fake the trappings of legitimacy for political advantage; future states that join us will have to weather that skepticism from the outside world .

It gives Blackwell free propaganda points to use against us in the rest of North America by being able to paint us as being in for a landgrab.
And we cannot guarantee being able to evacate ALL the Buffaloers before the snows come.
Not while running a full six division war.

And there's always the Russia wildcard to consider.
I don't know if Alexei's resolution on staying out of the festivities will survive actual declarations of secession that make it look like Victoria, his puppet is schisming. Look at the Russian reaction to the events in Syria, and that was a place where the opposition had the overt aid of another superpower.

Let's not poke the bear. Yet.
Save this strategy for the endgame, when we can take AND HOLD Victorian territory.

So, in light of all that, I'm approval voting for two options only.
My preferred option which is Two Can Play ,
One alternative which is Demonstration Strikes.

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[X] This was not a decisive blow, merely a painful setback. It wasn't even a defeat! You achieved your operational objectives and pushed out the forces responsible for this. Operations will continue. Continue the war, now racing internal dissent as well as Loyalist pressure.
-[X] Blackwell wants to avoid your main strength and strike where you are weak? Two can play at that game. Advance a couple of divisions as tripwires against an assault from Rochester and disperse the rest into upstate New York. Tear up the industrial infrastructure Blackwell needs to fight these wars, and he will be forced to respond, allowing you to draw him out to battle on your own terms. The risk is that, when he responds, he managed to find a favorable engagement and bleed you enough that the victory you're seeking is denied.

[X] This was not a decisive blow, merely a painful setback. It wasn't even a defeat! You achieved your operational objectives and pushed out the forces responsible for this. Operations will continue. Continue the war, now racing internal dissent as well as Loyalist pressure.
-[X] Blackwell is waiting to do enough damage to you that he can land a decisive blow. If you halt where you are and simply wait through the winter, you deny him that opportunity, and this momentary perception of victory starts to fade. Throughout, you'll send annoyance raids using your F-16s; this won't apply much pressure, but it'll at least make the point that you have in no way been beaten by this sanctioned terrorist attack. If he attacks in order to keep his symbolic victory, great, he'll suffer a massive defeat! If he doesn't attack, also fine. You'll withdraw with spring, your point made; that is your walk-away point. The risk is that this one plays really fast and loose with the risk of a regime change which, given the Farmers' stated stance that they'll peace out on first offer, will drastically undercut the message you're trying to convey.
 
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Cost is too high.
Longterm costs in diplomacy, in legitimacy, even in internal stability should we fumble the evac or move in a significant number of people who feel manipulated into the move instead of being grateful. It costs in propaganda to neighboring states watching how we treat others.
It risks bringing in Russia early as well.

To quote myself:
I'm pretty strongly against peacing out under these circumstances.
That said, I'm pretty nervous about the option that has us declaring the Buffalo Free State.
It wins the tactical battle while costing us the war.

Yes, it's a brilliantly cold option that strikes right at the foundations of Victorian, and Blackwell's legitimacy, by exploiting Victorian psychology.
But it WILL have diplomatic consequences if we set the precedent of being willing to fake the trappings of legitimacy for political advantage; future states that join us will have to weather that skepticism from the outside world .

It gives Blackwell free propaganda points to use against us in the rest of North America by being able to paint us as being in for a landgrab.
And we cannot guarantee being able to evacate ALL the Buffaloers before the snows come.
Not while running a full six division war.

And there's always the Russia wildcard to consider.
I don't know if Alexei's resolution on staying out of the festivities will survive actual declarations of secession that make it look like Victoria, his puppet is schisming.
Look at the Russian reaction to the events in Syria, and that was a place where the opposition had the overt aid of another superpower.

Let's not poke the bear. Yet.
Save this strategy for the endgame, when we can take AND HOLD Victorian territory.

So, in light of all that, I'm approval voting for two options only.
My preferred option which is Two Can Play ,
One alternative which is Demonstration Strikes.
 
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Heads up, this vote won't accomplish anything. The QM clarified on Discord that a specific war option needs to win a plurality; there isn't a runoff of "war vs peace" and then "which war option wins".
 
What we need is a Five Year Plan to massively expand our industry. And that is only possible through strict collectivization and centralization.

Direct Rule from Chicago!
Sara Goldblum:

"Too ambitious. We settled on a Three Year Plan to expand our industry to 60% of massiveness."
Sara Goldblum:

"Nah. We just like three year plans better because we have short attention spans."

"...Wait, what were we talking about again?"

Although seriously, we probably shouldn't commit to some kind of "X year plan" for economic development because that may end up being too brittle or end up with shoddy work if we are rushing towards the end.

My idea is we have a multilayered system:

- Short term plan (1 year or potentially even 1 turn)
- Medium-term plan (3-5 years)
- Long-term plan (10-25 years)

Priority goes short > medium > long

This way we can plan long term but be reactive to the present. And as we have decades worth of reconstruction we can plan much further ahead as we know roughly what we can expect.

Will elaborate later but what do you all think?
 
Let me pull from @PoptartProdigy's statements on discord...

I think that's fairly conclusive.
Yeah, that's pretty conclusive. Good to know.

But yikes. The Victorians killing everyone? That's even worse than I thought, and I was expecting some pretty brutal retaliation. At that point, I think the matter becomes less about tactics and more about common decency. If we do this, we're treating the people of Buffalo like expendable pawns, and I really do not like the precedent that sets.
 
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