[X] Frost Edge, an ice-elemental weapon-enhancing spell
[X] Aerial Combat
[X] Telekinesis
[X] Blitz Action
[X] Aerial Combat
[X] Telekinesis
[X] Blitz Action
Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)
- Thread starter Silently Watches
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Really wish I'd thought of my eventual vote when the voting first started, might have gotten either more votes, or at least more ideas thrown around than just the few default options.
[X] Frost Edge, an ice-elemental weapon-enhancing spell
[X] Aerial Combat
[X] Telekinesis
[X] Blitz Action
Guardian Beast can wait til Laura finds out if she needs one, Mirage sounds cool but can be worked towards, same with Frost Edge and Yetti. While all three are basic tiers, they're based on things she hasn't really done yet, so she should experiment with Aerial Combat, Blitz Action, and Frost Edge before creating variants.
Telekinesis gives her some ranged options, is a useful utility power (who HASN'T wished for telekinesis to move a bowl of popcorn or TV remote that's just out of reach), and she's used it in combat before with Cassie.
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[X] Frost Edge
[X] Blitz Action
[X] Aerial Combat
[X] Telekinesis
Part of the problem is that we don't seem to think it works like you do initially. Admittedly we are wrong in this case. We tend to think of TK as "apply a force to an object, the max amount of force is that required to lift 2x your body weight" and following that we try to use it to apply a force to objects and even if the object is too heavy we can still apply the force to it, or we could at least direct the force. For a reference we have things like comics that tend to work like that. The way the spell works seems to be "make an object fly/levitate, this object can weigh no more than X" so more like a force field that encloses the target and thus manipulated it? Too much mass means it just fails.? It doesnt seem like it can apply force to any specific point on an object, just the object as a whole.
I still vote for it because it seems both useful and really cool to have. It is a spell that doesn't need to be used in a combat situation, which is nice.
[X] Blitz Action
[X] Aerial Combat
[X] Telekinesis
Part of the problem is that we don't seem to think it works like you do initially. Admittedly we are wrong in this case. We tend to think of TK as "apply a force to an object, the max amount of force is that required to lift 2x your body weight" and following that we try to use it to apply a force to objects and even if the object is too heavy we can still apply the force to it, or we could at least direct the force. For a reference we have things like comics that tend to work like that. The way the spell works seems to be "make an object fly/levitate, this object can weigh no more than X" so more like a force field that encloses the target and thus manipulated it? Too much mass means it just fails.? It doesnt seem like it can apply force to any specific point on an object, just the object as a whole.
I still vote for it because it seems both useful and really cool to have. It is a spell that doesn't need to be used in a combat situation, which is nice.
- Location
- Belfast
[] Frost Edge
-[] Avalanche, ice-based short to mid-range Buster (-2 XP)
[] Aerial Combat
[] Blitz Action
-[] Avalanche, ice-based short to mid-range Buster (-2 XP)
[] Aerial Combat
[] Blitz Action
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Silently Watches
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If it makes you feel any better, the Extinction Knight was a generic knight too, but it it has now taken flavors of Sparkle Princess to help differentiate it from Laura.
You are directing a force to an object. The problem is that the spell dictates what the force actually does. Telekinesis doesn't crush or tear, it moves.
In fact, let's take a look at 13.x and see how telekinesis can actually be applied.
Cassiel can apply enough force to levitate 50 kg of inanimate matter. When she's moving less than that, like a 5 or 10 kg weight, she instead is applying more acceleration, which lets her throw things. F = ma
Some of this is Cassiel directly controlling Laura's body, but some of it is applying a rotational force to get her set up from the spring and roll.
Here we see TK on the attack. Once again, the force is just moving the sheets, but because the sheets are so light the acceleration is enough to make them snap like a whip.
Move object to wrap around people's head. Done.
Move the object, but now the object is tied around something else. Conservation of energy applies, so she pulls their heads together. Incidentally, this is a good way to get around Cassiel's decreased ability to affect living things.
Pushing the sheets against the bullets lets her apply all that force to the bullets, which are small but going really fast. Stopping them is possible, but slightly redirecting them is much easier.
And here we see that TK is NOT all or nothing. Laura weighs more than 25 kg, so Cassiel can't levitate her. What she can do, however, is partially negate the force of gravity on Laura, effectively making her weigh less and so can propel herself further with the strength of her muscles. Just like astronauts can jump higher on the moon than they can on Earth.
Can you use TK abilities to crush and tear? Yes, but not directly. You can't force choke someone, to use an example someone gave, but you can move a length of cord or cloth and use it like a garrote. You can wrap an object in something else and push or pull on that wrapping to crush or shear whatever is in the middle. You have to have something that you move as an intermediary to indirectly apply the force.
Or if you get frustrated with that, just create a new spell to apply a crushing or tearing force directly. That's the beauty of a normal Device, you aren't locked into to a specific set of spells.
There is enough confusion about what TK can and can't do that I'm giving the vote another two hours or so before I close it.
- Location
- The States
Come ooonnn Avalanche! All you lurker non-voters like I normally am, I believe in you! But really I do hope for Avalanche to win, it fits my idea(wrong word?) of an ice princess-knight far better.
ReaperofInterest
Herald of Disaster
[X] Frost Edge
-[X] Avalanche, ice-based short to mid-range Buster (-2 XP)
[X] Aerial Combat
[X] Blitz Action
It appears that Guardian Beast won't win. So I'll vote for Avalanche. It seems interesting and potentially rather useful. Sure we'll need to wait until she earns at least 4 XP to buy anything, and she'll need to get even more if she wants anything from Basic or above, but she'll have a Buster to start off with, and that seems useful enough.
-[X] Avalanche, ice-based short to mid-range Buster (-2 XP)
[X] Aerial Combat
[X] Blitz Action
It appears that Guardian Beast won't win. So I'll vote for Avalanche. It seems interesting and potentially rather useful. Sure we'll need to wait until she earns at least 4 XP to buy anything, and she'll need to get even more if she wants anything from Basic or above, but she'll have a Buster to start off with, and that seems useful enough.
Doctor_Hayden
Plant-Katto
- Location
- Morioh, 1999
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Frost Edge
-[X] Avalanche, ice-based short to mid-range Buster (-2 XP)
[X] Aerial Combat
[X] Blitz Action
-[X] Avalanche, ice-based short to mid-range Buster (-2 XP)
[X] Aerial Combat
[X] Blitz Action
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
People really underestimate the value of holding something still. Oh well.
The_Turncoat
MLG200
- Location
- A Dry Desert
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Frost Edge
[X] Avalanche
[X] Aerial Combat
[X] Blitz Action
[X] Avalanche
[X] Aerial Combat
[X] Blitz Action
- Location
- Amsterdam
[X] Frost Edge
-[X] Avalanche, ice-based short to mid-range Buster (-2 XP)
[X] Aerial Combat
[X] Blitz Action
-[X] Avalanche, ice-based short to mid-range Buster (-2 XP)
[X] Aerial Combat
[X] Blitz Action
Hm. Not a fan of starting Laura out with XP debt, but I guess that's what is going to happen. *shrug*
- Location
- Georgia
This makes me think about using TK to reduce the weight of an object to appear stronger than she actually is. She's plenty tough enough for a good Brute rating, and might get a strength boost later, but never underestimate the power of showmanship to win on a bluff.
Silently Watches
Professional Stalker
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That's actually what Taylor did when she levitated Cailleach to carry her to a rooftop in Arc 12. She wasn't trying to look stronger, but to anyone watching it would totally look like this beanpole girl has enough strength to pick someone up and carry them.
- Location
- The States
A self-targeted strength buff is one of the first things I'm hoping for, that and hardcore defenses ala Shell Barrier and Lion's Pelt
Thanks for the clarification. especially this one here:
If you don't feel like explaining that is fine, I am just rather intrigued by what TK can and can't do.
We have seen that TK was able to do fine manipulation in the examples you gave, and thus effect the object via force that is different in different locations of the object. The no force choke rule was confusing a bit because if we can manipulate an object like that why can't we "push backwards" on someones throat to choke them.
A couple of other uses I was thinking of were these:
strangle someone with their own necklace (think rapper style chains). Sounds possible.
Push around a gun in someone's hand. (might run into the manton effect area)
Pull someones hand hard enough to hyper extend something. (looking like manton effect probably no sells this)
Make someone slap themselves with their own hand (pretty sure manton effect says no)
Pull a Dr. Strangelove, aka strangle someone with their own hand. (pretty certain that the manton effect no sells this)
Could a target's clothes be effected (shoes, shirt, pants, tie etc) with the same ability that we see in non living things, or would it be manton protected?
Can only one target be effected at a time?
Emphasis added.
If you don't feel like explaining that is fine, I am just rather intrigued by what TK can and can't do.
We have seen that TK was able to do fine manipulation in the examples you gave, and thus effect the object via force that is different in different locations of the object. The no force choke rule was confusing a bit because if we can manipulate an object like that why can't we "push backwards" on someones throat to choke them.
A couple of other uses I was thinking of were these:
strangle someone with their own necklace (think rapper style chains). Sounds possible.
Push around a gun in someone's hand. (might run into the manton effect area)
Pull someones hand hard enough to hyper extend something. (looking like manton effect probably no sells this)
Make someone slap themselves with their own hand (pretty sure manton effect says no)
Pull a Dr. Strangelove, aka strangle someone with their own hand. (pretty certain that the manton effect no sells this)
Could a target's clothes be effected (shoes, shirt, pants, tie etc) with the same ability that we see in non living things, or would it be manton protected?
Can only one target be effected at a time?
gasses, dust, sand and such doesn't count as something you can grab and move I suppose? Even if you have to grab something rather than create directed force explicitly that's not difficult. It'd be harder to logic Laura being so bloodthirsty than working around that sort of limitation.
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Silently Watches
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Because you wouldn't choke them if you pushed back on their throat (actually their neck). You would push their neck back, bringing their head with them. You can't reach in and move only a single internal organ like that.
Absolutely possible.
Possible.
You'd be more likely to spin someone around if you applied force like this.
Probably, but I'd prefer the character to have extensive practice using telekinesis before I allowed that.
You can effect as many objects as your mass limit allows.
Nope. By and large, if fluid dynamics apply, that's not something you can effect with telekinesis. Solids only.
How are you figuring that the Manton Effect applies to Magic?