Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
[X] Sixiang's troubles directly. Ling Qi was no great philosopher, but she knew that ugliness did not preclude beauty. It was true that things were hard, and Sixiang was not violent by nature but… there was still worth in the waking world. [Ling Qi's arguments focus on Sixiang's problems with recent events and how to reconcile them with their nature. More likely to lead to a long term solution. Lower chance of Positive outcome.]

I find it comforting to remember that while >50% and <50% are typical guesstimates for "higher" and "lower" and it instinctively feels like that's going to be the case here, 100-99 and 100-00 are also both "higher" and "lower." Without any real sense of the magnitudes involved and the distance between them, it's basically meaningless, even before you consider the element of random chance.

So I'm discarding the numbers entirely and going with both what I think would be better for them, and also what would be more interesting. From that frame of reference, it seems pretty clear-cut, at least to me.
This is a little bit too dice-nihilistic to me, though I agree with the sentiment of "going with what I think is best for Sixiang and most interesting."

(That said, yrsillar made some comments on Discord about this launching an arc where we train our social arts in parallel with the events of the arc, so I don't think it's going to be a single make-or-break die roll, but rather a series of them according to parameters we influence.)

Discord said:
Your social art cultivation will sorta be happening parallel to the arc
things are gonna get a lil trippy
...

I heard someone describe a trip once, in which the grim reaper chased them through a park
trippy can mean many things :p
 
[X] Sixiang's troubles directly. Ling Qi was no great philosopher, but she knew that ugliness did not preclude beauty. It was true that things were hard, and Sixiang was not violent by nature but… there was still worth in the waking world. [Ling Qi's arguments focus on Sixiang's problems with recent events and how to reconcile them with their nature. More likely to lead to a long term solution. Lower chance of Positive outcome.]
 
Oh my goodness I love Meizhen so much.

As for me?

[] Sixiang's troubles directly. Ling Qi was no great philosopher, but she knew that ugliness did not preclude beauty. It was true that things were hard, and Sixiang was not violent by nature but… there was still worth in the waking world. [Ling Qi's arguments focus on Sixiang's problems with recent events and how to reconcile them with their nature. More likely to lead to a long term solution. Lower chance of Positive outcome.]

Because this is, in some small part, a vote about what family means. Is our family about helping each other get through our issues and come out the other end stronger, or is it about clinging to social connections and papering over your problems with appeals to emotion? Then, too, if she's *not* going to stick with us... better find that out now, and have space to find a spirit who will, and who will fit our needs going forward. Better to try to let that passing be as healthy as possible, rather than weighing it down with more emotional need, so that when it does go, it's even uglier. It's not like we're going to stop fighting. It's not like we're going to stop being at risk. The risk only goes up from here. If Sixiang cannot become a spirit that's okay with that, then it's only going to get worse.
Dude, you need the X
 
[X] Sixiang's troubles directly. Ling Qi was no great philosopher, but she knew that ugliness did not preclude beauty. It was true that things were hard, and Sixiang was not violent by nature but… there was still worth in the waking world. [Ling Qi's arguments focus on Sixiang's problems with recent events and how to reconcile them with their nature. More likely to lead to a long term solution. Lower chance of Positive outcome.]
 
I think Sixiang up and leaving at this juncture is a legitimate worry, I'm just not sure it's a strict binary pass/fail thing? I also think that if they do decide to depart the chains of life, like Zeqing, it's something that we'd have to respect as being true to their nature, which would include respecting the decision itself and not undermining its legitimacy by being overly self-critical. With that in mind, I'll be voting as thus:

[X] Sixiang's troubles directly. Ling Qi was no great philosopher, but she knew that ugliness did not preclude beauty. It was true that things were hard, and Sixiang was not violent by nature but… there was still worth in the waking world. [Ling Qi's arguments focus on Sixiang's problems with recent events and how to reconcile them with their nature. More likely to lead to a long term solution. Lower chance of Positive outcome.]

Even with my caveats above, I feel the votes are on even footing. Fact is, I've been wanting to dive into Sixiang's motives and worries more directly since forever, and here's the option to attempt it. In maximally insensitive terms, Sixiang as a character is worth more to me with the more invasive approach, so I'm more willing to risk the status quo for the superior view.

Aaaaaaalso, I bet even if Sixiang dies, we get infused with leftover muse corpse chunks or something. They're our personal muse after all; being born from us, there's gotta be higher than average compatibility, and Sixiang is on the record as considering the recycled bits and pieces Dream spirits are typically constructed of to be fair game as contribution to other entities. Typically new ones, but we're buds, right? Right. This doesn't go towards my reasoning for one option or the other, it's just a comforting spiritual cannibalism thought.
 
[X] Sixiang's troubles directly. Ling Qi was no great philosopher, but she knew that ugliness did not preclude beauty. It was true that things were hard, and Sixiang was not violent by nature but… there was still worth in the waking world. [Ling Qi's arguments focus on Sixiang's problems with recent events and how to reconcile them with their nature. More likely to lead to a long term solution. Lower chance of Positive outcome.]
 
[X] Sixiang's troubles directly. Ling Qi was no great philosopher, but she knew that ugliness did not preclude beauty. It was true that things were hard, and Sixiang was not violent by nature but… there was still worth in the waking world. [Ling Qi's arguments focus on Sixiang's problems with recent events and how to reconcile them with their nature. More likely to lead to a long term solution. Lower chance of Positive outcome.]
 
"That is true enough," Meizhen venturered, glancing up. "However, I believe it is not so much as you think. I cultivated several of my family earth arts before I found one which truly suited me. In the longer term, it is important for the health of a clan for its members to a reasonably wide array of Ways. The Cai are young yet."
Guess the Earth arts she tried had some issue with being Ultimate Terror Deterrence?
 
[X] Sixiang's troubles directly. Ling Qi was no great philosopher, but she knew that ugliness did not preclude beauty. It was true that things were hard, and Sixiang was not violent by nature but… there was still worth in the waking world. [Ling Qi's arguments focus on Sixiang's problems with recent events and how to reconcile them with their nature. More likely to lead to a long term solution. Lower chance of Positive outcome.]
 
[X] Sixiang's troubles directly. Ling Qi was no great philosopher, but she knew that ugliness did not preclude beauty. It was true that things were hard, and Sixiang was not violent by nature but… there was still worth in the waking world. [Ling Qi's arguments focus on Sixiang's problems with recent events and how to reconcile them with their nature. More likely to lead to a long term solution. Lower chance of Positive outcome.]
 
[X] Their personal bond. They did not know each other as well as Ling Qi might like, but… Sixiang was her friend and her muse, they had shouted at the Bloody Moon for her, and helped her through so much. [Ling Qi's arguments focus on their personal relationship and growing friendship. More effective rhetoric, but downplays Sixiang's problems and may only be a stopgap. Higher chance of Positive Outcome]

Sixiang's been exposed to a lot high octane nightmare fuel and they've said they need some space, that's fine. Forcing a confrontation over it seems like an unnecessary gamble, and Ling Qi has already been pushing her luck hard.
 
While I understand and sympathize with the other side of the argument, I'll be voting for this option. Ultimately, I don't believe that the problems that Sixiang is facing can be resolved with only a single conversation and will take a lot of time and dedication on Ling Qi's part. As such, I think the main thing to do is to start the triage and focus on the biggest problems first.

The biggest problem, in my opinion, is Sixiang leaving. If Sixiang leaves, we can't help her anymore. As such, I think the most important thing to do is to ensure that Sixiang stays, even if it is a temporary solution, so that over time we can work with her in resolving the more deep-seated problems Sixiang has with the world.
Is this suicide prevention? Where is that interpretation coming from?
No clue. A thing to remember is that Sixiang is not mortal. She's a spirit. Remember our little Ice Maiden's Mother? She'll be back. That's how spirits work. Not the same, but back. It's how they grow. For Sixiang, the issue isn't her turning away from Mortals or not. It's if she wants to stick around Ling Qi or not. She won't die or something if she goes away. She'll be going back to her family. For her, this, sticking with Ling Qi, is like being on deployment.

Only while with a mortal can she be harmed. Otherwise she is protected by the greater moon spirits. Like, during the Great Revelry, we never had a chance to hurt any of those spirits. That's the life she'd be going back too. So she has a choice to make. Sixiang had fun, but things are getting ugly now. So do you want to stick around and see the ugliness that inspires art, or flee from the face of it and go home because you were never meant to fight those battles yourself?

It's time for a frank discussion on goals, not manipulation when you know people have deep issues. Even if she leaves, we'll see her again down the road, assuming Ling Qi lives. And it's not like she can't visit us like the other muses, in our dreams.

EDIT: Hell, remember the nature of muses and the many faces of the moon? Sixiang might go home and take stories of Ling Qi with her. And some time later a muse intrested in war and combat might show up, like another face of the moon, more suited to war than Sixiang. Hell, a Positive result for Sixiang might be to turn away and do the thing moon spirits are supposed to do, find another face more suited to the challenge instead of trying to change too much and hurting herself in the process. She might talk a family member or a friend to come watch us, so Ling Qi has "Muses", not just Sixiang as her Third Spirit.

After all, Muses are capricious, ephemeral, and inspiration is temporary. It would fit the theme that you only get to enjoy the company of a specific muse for a certain amount of time, while you are doing the stuff that muse is interested in. It would be an interesting way to take the story, if mechanically hard on the QM. He'd have to do a full work up on every new muse. But this way, Ling Qi could turn into "New Muses first steps in the Mortal World" kind of thing. Where she takes in young muses and acclimates them to Mortals and being Individuals. As wells as having old muses come back when the time is right, having grown from the experience.
 
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[X] Sixiang's troubles directly. Ling Qi was no great philosopher, but she knew that ugliness did not preclude beauty. It was true that things were hard, and Sixiang was not violent by nature but… there was still worth in the waking world. [Ling Qi's arguments focus on Sixiang's problems with recent events and how to reconcile them with their nature. More likely to lead to a long term solution. Lower chance of Positive outcome.]
 
[X] Sixiang's troubles directly. Ling Qi was no great philosopher, but she knew that ugliness did not preclude beauty. It was true that things were hard, and Sixiang was not violent by nature but… there was still worth in the waking world. [Ling Qi's arguments focus on Sixiang's problems with recent events and how to reconcile them with their nature. More likely to lead to a long term solution. Lower chance of Positive outcome.]
 
[X] Sixiang's troubles directly. Ling Qi was no great philosopher, but she knew that ugliness did not preclude beauty. It was true that things were hard, and Sixiang was not violent by nature but… there was still worth in the waking world. [Ling Qi's arguments focus on Sixiang's problems with recent events and how to reconcile them with their nature. More likely to lead to a long term solution. Lower chance of Positive outcome.]
 
[X] Sixiang's troubles directly. Ling Qi was no great philosopher, but she knew that ugliness did not preclude beauty. It was true that things were hard, and Sixiang was not violent by nature but… there was still worth in the waking world. [Ling Qi's arguments focus on Sixiang's problems with recent events and how to reconcile them with their nature. More likely to lead to a long term solution. Lower chance of Positive outcome.]
 
I just hope that for once, in the future, Ling Qi herself will be a priority in such a vote. Right now, it feels like she's only giving.
 
[X] Sixiang's troubles directly. Ling Qi was no great philosopher, but she knew that ugliness did not preclude beauty. It was true that things were hard, and Sixiang was not violent by nature but… there was still worth in the waking world. [Ling Qi's arguments focus on Sixiang's problems with recent events and how to reconcile them with their nature. More likely to lead to a long term solution. Lower chance of Positive outcome.]

yeehaw pardn'r. Faith in the blessed gods of the thread. Cultivation, Dreaming, Grinning, Hidden and ol' fashioned RNG bless <3
 
I just hope that for once, in the future, Ling Qi herself will be a priority in such a vote. Right now, it feels like she's only giving.
to be fair, that's all of the month plans. Those are just heavy math light narrative voteplans.

also this was us literally leaning way too hard on Six without showing them the beauty or indulging the arts or making any goddam real parties. We've been negligent D:
 
[X] Their personal bond. They did not know each other as well as Ling Qi might like, but… Sixiang was her friend and her muse, they had shouted at the Bloody Moon for her, and helped her through so much. [Ling Qi's arguments focus on their personal relationship and growing friendship. More effective rhetoric, but downplays Sixiang's problems and may only be a stopgap. Higher chance of Positive Outcome]
 
[X] Sixiang's troubles directly. Ling Qi was no great philosopher, but she knew that ugliness did not preclude beauty. It was true that things were hard, and Sixiang was not violent by nature but… there was still worth in the waking world. [Ling Qi's arguments focus on Sixiang's problems with recent events and how to reconcile them with their nature. More likely to lead to a long term solution. Lower chance of Positive outcome.]
 
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Adhoc vote count started by ChronOblivion on Dec 16, 2019 at 9:09 PM, finished with 108 posts and 54 votes.
 
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