Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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eternal-potato
He who vegetates
- Location
- Moscow
[X] She could not make that promise, not knowing what the future could hold. (Ling Qi remains open to all tactics. Affects Zhengui's development.)
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
My impression is that people shouldn't look down on the consequences on either choices.
Promising means a much greater emphasis in making sure we are a team player that can enhance our weaker spirits or friends so that we don't need to either leave them behind or sacrifice ourself for them. This also means a much weaker focus on 'kill the enemy fast and be strong alone', as opportunity cost is a thing.
Basically, this will force Ling Qi to change the decisions she was making re:her way of fighting.
That said,
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
I always prefer teamplay to awesome solo.
Promising means a much greater emphasis in making sure we are a team player that can enhance our weaker spirits or friends so that we don't need to either leave them behind or sacrifice ourself for them. This also means a much weaker focus on 'kill the enemy fast and be strong alone', as opportunity cost is a thing.
Basically, this will force Ling Qi to change the decisions she was making re:her way of fighting.
That said,
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
I always prefer teamplay to awesome solo.
- Location
- Singapore
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
The problem is that not promising still allows meaningful team play. Promising just means that if we come to a situation where we would have to choose, we won't get to. We'll be locked in on not using our excellent mobility to both chase and possibly escape danger if we think it's a risk to pursuit.
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
I'm reading Zhengui's concerns more as not wanting Ling Qi to shoulder burdens alone rather than wanting to fight in close proxmity. There is a lot that can and has been said about both choices.
However, I feel this choice is doing well to showcase the potential kinks in Ling Qi's insights. I think a self-sacrificial behavior may contradict our advanced insight, yet at the same time, Zhengui seems to ask us to re-evaluate our insight about the lonely path.
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
However, I feel this choice is doing well to showcase the potential kinks in Ling Qi's insights. I think a self-sacrificial behavior may contradict our advanced insight, yet at the same time, Zhengui seems to ask us to re-evaluate our insight about the lonely path.
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
- Location
- The United States
- Pronouns
- He/They
Sold.
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
- Location
- Staring into the void
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
- Location
- Nowheresville
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
It also means totally upending our development plan at minimum. Making the promise practically denies us our speed (one of our best stats) in a lot of ways.
Which will have huge negative impacts on our ability to pass Shenhua's test and possibly on our war contributions. Windthief alone becomes vastly, vastly less useful. This is an absolutely massive cost wehn we're already struggling to meet our goals despite rushing ahead as fast as possible. That would also have huge negative effects on the people around her, from Zhengui to our Mother and sister to Cai Renxiang.
If we want to focus on more teamwork and actually working with our spirits we can but we should not sacrifce Ling Qi's strengths in the short to medium term to do so.
Seriously I would promise to avoid sacrifice plays in a hearteat, or to work on improing our teamwork so we don't have to do this so much. But this is far too broad.
I'm stressed because it feels like people are just thinking of Zhengui and Hanyi's distress in the last update and not about what this will do to Ling Qi as well. It's a massive, massive issue and I feel like people aren't considering just how badly this will affect Ling Qi's current development and fighting style after the emotion of the last update.
It feels like the sort of promise made of an big emotional moment that turns out to either be a really bad idea that Ling Qi either can't live up to or where keeping it will have huge costs on a personal and professional level not only for her but also for the people around her.
- Location
- Earth
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Could you explain this? @yrsillar said that we would not be tied down fighting by Zhengui's side; him holding one important area while we flit around fucking people up with stealth and speed is within the terms of the promise.
- Location
- At the end of the world
[X] She promised, even if it was hard. (Ling Qi will avoid tactics which leave out or separate her from her spirits and deliberate self sacrifice outside of actual necessity. Affects Zhengui's development.)
My reason is that we can take on far stronger enemies as a team. And though we we will lose some tactical options, we will be open to others, also Songseeker ceremony encourage our spirits grows, ensuring that they won't be a hindrance.
My reason is that we can take on far stronger enemies as a team. And though we we will lose some tactical options, we will be open to others, also Songseeker ceremony encourage our spirits grows, ensuring that they won't be a hindrance.
Black Noise
Curious
- Location
- About 1AU from Sol
[X] She could not make that promise, not knowing what the future could hold. (Ling Qi remains open to all tactics. Affects Zhengui's development.)
As usual for these votes, gonna go with what I want to see more. Though I wouldn't mind terribly if the other option wins.
As usual for these votes, gonna go with what I want to see more. Though I wouldn't mind terribly if the other option wins.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
I'm being optimist here and thinking that if we promise we will choose to change our build so that we can make that promise without crippling our ability to do things. It's very possible that we'll still try to continue as we have and ignore abilities that shines through teamwork, but I want to believe it won't happen.
So basically, it will be less "we'll be locked into not using our excellent mobility to pursuit' and more 'We'd have to sacrifice personal mobility if it doesn't mesh with fighting with Zhengui'.
We definitely need to own up to said promise if we do it, yes, and I completely agree with you that it seems people are completely under-estimating the sheer scale of effort we'd need to put to keep that promise.
In favor of making the vote less one sided,
[X] She could not make that promise, not knowing what the future could hold. (Ling Qi remains open to all tactics. Affects Zhengui's development.)
[X] She could not make that promise, not knowing what the future could hold. (Ling Qi remains open to all tactics. Affects Zhengui's development.)
- Location
- New York
I'd prefer to avoid self-sacrifice, but always fighting to keep with our spirits is too much of a tactical restriction.
[X] She could not make that promise, not knowing what the future could hold. (Ling Qi remains open to all tactics. Affects Zhengui's development.)
[X] She could not make that promise, not knowing what the future could hold. (Ling Qi remains open to all tactics. Affects Zhengui's development.)
