Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)

[X] Attack Sparky. He has already shown he doesn't care about collateral damage.
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.

Had some trouble deciding what to vote, in the end I decided to jump on the attack bandwagon since it specifies restraining him
 
Just came back in to see how the wind's blowing.

For those of you voting to talk tinker boy down— w h y???

It's literally the hardest option, and it doesn't provide any benefits the other option (restraining him and dealing with him later) would provide. The only reason I could see wanting to talk him down would be trying to use his cannon during this fight, which sounds like a fantastic way to melt all our friends.

Reasons to talk to Sparky:
1. You want access to his tech for the next fight

We have plenty of leverage over this guy—get rid of him and hash out the details later, it's not important right this moment

2. We need the tinker to deal with the goo
WoQM: goo is on a timer, the amount of time it would take to convince Sparky to do anything is more than enough for any launched goo to die

3. We don't want to be EB truce breakers

Any truce breaking consequences would be faced after the battle, and I'm pretty sure it's more likely for us to get in trouble for not dealing with this guy than for restraining him and sending him away

Aside from Sparky, we still need to plan what CW will do with Leviathan now that the "freeze and blast" plan already finished. (I'm assuming we can vote on that? If the attack Sparky plan wins, that won't take long to execute)



[X] Attack Sparky. He has already shown he doesn't care about collateral damage.
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.
 
[X] Attack Sparky. He has already shown he doesn't care about collateral damage.
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites

- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.
 
For those of you voting to talk tinker boy down— w h y???
Well, I expect If we manage to talk him down, it'll give us enough goodwill with him to influence his future.
So when we discuss it after the battle, we'll be capable to talk him into joining us or the Protectorate/Guild/Wards, acquiring an ally or at least a friendly acquaintance.

If we just attack him, he'll probably refuse to listen because "Fuck you, bitch, I could have killed him, I could have, it's all your fault I'm in the shit now!"

Best-case scenario, we'll lose a chance to recruit him and he'll be forced into the Protectorate/Wards and hate every moment of it.
Worst-case scenario, he'll run off only to be caught by the Elite/Fallen/Yangban, who'll fully use his WMD capabilities for their insidious plans.

Note, I don't argue we absolutely must be nice with him, I just extrapolate from what have happened with Tattletale.
 
Well we can't just choose "attack Sparky" with no defined method, knowing the OP, he'll prolly have Taylor burn him to death. Her spells be on lethal right now. Fools, d'you want Taylor to have a guilty conscious during an endbringer attack? Furthermore, her burning him to death is almost certainly in violation of the endbringer treaty yo! Attacking with intent to kill and actually killing said person participating in an endbringer attack. Can definitely be brought back against Taylor! If yeh really want taylor to attack, then at least put:

[X] Attack Sparky by bludgeoning him in the back of the head

This way there's no chance of Taylor conducting a impromptu Salem Witch Trial!


Buckaroos you're all using your heads, but too much emotion, c'mon, be smart, and don't forget your situation!
 
Also, I vote for we take him in in some way shape or form. He's already stated he's got the Elite recruiting his sorry bum, and I don't want a group of Parahuman Supervillains getting that type of a tinker under their wings. Iz invention's proven to be able to damage an Endbringer(Albeit only a small amount from what I'm getting from you guys), It'll most definitely be effective against fleshy meatbag protectorate heroes, who don't have a galaxy of fleshy meat inside of themselves. Echidna(Noelle) doesn't count.
edit: She becomes a pseudo-endbringer, so yah.
 
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Well we can't just choose "attack Sparky" with no defined method, knowing the OP, he'll prolly have Taylor burn him to death. Her spells be on lethal right now. Fools, d'you want Taylor to have a guilty conscious during an endbringer attack? Furthermore, her burning him to death is almost certainly in violation of the endbringer treaty yo! Attacking with intent to kill and actually killing said person participating in an endbringer attack. Can definitely be brought back against Taylor! If yeh really want taylor to attack, then at least put:

[X] Attack Sparky by bludgeoning him in the back of the head

This way there's no chance of Taylor conducting a impromptu Salem Witch Trial!


Buckaroos you're all using your heads, but too much emotion, c'mon, be smart, and don't forget your situation!
Also, I vote for we take him in in some way shape or form.
You haven't actually looked at the leading vote have you? It says "Restrain him with Ring Bind" which is non-lethal by definition and then it says "Teleport him to Dragon/Tim" which is "Take him in in some way shape or form."

Before calling everyone "Fools" I suggest actually looking at what people have voted for. Also like Ronin said, double posting is considered rude. There is an edit button. Use it.
 
[X] Attack Sparky. He has already shown he doesn't care about collateral damage.
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites

- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.

From what we've seen there's no way this guy will listen to us. Remember Taylor is bad at diplomacy so let someone else deal with him. Plus I doubt he'll turn off the cannon while we're talking hence it would probably result in more dead capes. Probably not Alexandria unless the nanites block her airway, but other capes aren't so durable.
 
No, it can't. Endbringers have an entire galaxy worth of mass to call on from canon. Meaning any limit to the grey goo is certain to be too low to actually do more than make them itch. You'll never kill an endbringer by attacking its mass, you have to destroy the core.

[X] Attack Sparky. He has already shown he doesn't care about collateral damage.
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.
We can have Dragon and Tim take a look at his tech after the battle. Hell,even Armsmaster used similiar nanites in canon Worm. More importantly

As Armsmaster's nanotech in canon shows, nanotech can't affect his deeper materials, where space itself has warped. However, releasing an upgraded version of the tech in Phantasm's "safe space" might cause substantial damage, or it might be able to both stick to Leviathan and effectively limit his ability to regenerate his less dense layers, reducing how much of our firepower gets wasted taking out ablative armor. As is, that weapon's useless, but if Dragon asks for the cannon to study, we can get Tim to upgrade the tech.

Even if we can't come up with a way to use these nanites against an EB, there might be incredible advances in nanotech manufacturing to help build the weapons we want to bring to the next EB fight.

if Alexandria actually inhaled some of the nanites at this point can they replicate inside her and close off her airways in the one minute time limit?

Realistically, with her costume gone, there shouldn't be enough material on or in her for the goo to replicate, though it could certainly block her airways with a relatively small amount. From the description in the update, I don't think she inhaled enough for it to be a concern, but this is Worm, so "realistically" doesn't always apply.

Well, I expect If we manage to talk him down, it'll give us enough goodwill with him to influence his future.
So when we discuss it after the battle, we'll be capable to talk him into joining us or the Protectorate/Guild/Wards, acquiring an ally or at least a friendly acquaintance.

If we just attack him, he'll probably refuse to listen because "Fuck you, bitch, I could have killed him, I could have, it's all your fault I'm in the shit now!"

I do not see this character as being intended to ever be used again. He is quite literally a joke. That's why we're calling him Sparky. Even if that were not the case, his given views on "acceptable losses" would make convincing Taylor to even try to recruit him be a major uphill battle. Heck, convincing the players to vote for her to try is a pretty much insurmountable obstacle at this point.

Well we can't just choose "attack Sparky" with no defined method, knowing the OP, he'll prolly have Taylor burn him to death. Her spells be on lethal right now. Fools, d'you want Taylor to have a guilty conscious during an endbringer attack? Furthermore, her burning him to death is almost certainly in violation of the endbringer treaty yo! Attacking with intent to kill and actually killing said person participating in an endbringer attack. Can definitely be brought back against Taylor! If yeh really want taylor to attack, then at least put:

Ring Bind. Holds him in place without causing any harm to him whatsoever. Teleporting him away from the fight keeps any well meaning capes who run across him before the fight is over from letting him out of the binds.
 
As Armsmaster's nanotech in canon shows, nanotech can't affect his deeper materials, where space itself has warped.
Do you have a cite for that?

In the Leviathan fight from Worm 8.4 Armsmaster's nano-thorn halbard was very effective right up until Leviathan stopped playing around and started ignoring its 'wounds'. I think people mis-read this scene:
The water resumed its regular motion as Armsmaster took his final leaping step off the top, heading straight for Leviathan.


Leviathan moved faster than he had in the last minute, caught the blade in his claw.


Dust rose from the claw as the blade sank deep, blood poured out, but the blade remained fixed in place. Armsmaster tugged, failed to dislodge it. He tried to pull away, but I could see Leviathan had caught onto his hand and wrist with his clawtips, while the Halberd sat embedded in his 'palm'.


"How!?" Armsmaster roared.
as the nano-thorn not working but if you read carefully it is working fine it is just that Leviathan didn't grab the blade but Armsmaster which pins both Armsmaster and his blade in place.

I don't recall any other scene in which the nano-thorns are used on an Endbringer, especially as deep as the space warping layer, but I don't recall the later bits of Worm as well so I may have forgotten something.
 
Do you have a cite for that?

In the Leviathan fight from Worm 8.4 Armsmaster's nano-thorn halbard was very effective right up until Leviathan stopped playing around and started ignoring its 'wounds'. I think people mis-read this scene:

as the nano-thorn not working but if you read carefully it is working fine it is just that Leviathan didn't grab the blade but Armsmaster which pins both Armsmaster and his blade in place.

I don't recall any other scene in which the nano-thorns are used on an Endbringer, especially as deep as the space warping layer, but I don't recall the later bits of Worm as well so I may have forgotten something.

His attack hit the center of the leg without going through. No subsequent attack was able to penetrate the 'bones', either. They worked just fine on his outer layers, but despite striking directly, his limp was quickly revealed to be an act, with his leg being perfectly capable of supporting his full weight and acting at full speed.
 
I'm thinking sparky already has only three options, join the protectorate, get birdcaged, or get a kill order. He's the grey goo tinker, no one is gonna let him stay solo.
 
I'm thinking sparky already has only three options, join the protectorate, get birdcaged, or get a kill order. He's the grey goo tinker, no one is gonna let him stay solo.

Being able to put him on a planet where he can't accidentally cause a mass grey goo extinction would help, but what we've seen of his mindset doesn't leave me inclined to let him have access to much of anything. He appears to be both incredibly dangerous and a bit unhinged, even for a cape.

That said, one detail you might want to revise is to join (insert official government team) . The Protectorate is just the United States and Canada, and we don't know where this dim bulb's home socket may lay. The conflict drives sadly limit how much Tinkers can do like Shipwright and work entirely separate from the active application of their designs.
 
[X] Talk Sparky out of attacking again.
-[X]Tell sparky that leviathan has already figured out how to protect himself from the nanites.
-[X]Explain that it's targeting the the teleportation beacons, also you can point out that he might be responsible for most of the casualties in this fight as Leviathan is now just redirection and spreading his shots in crowds.
-[X]Offer resources and protection with Dragon(New tinker to exploit)Mention he is now a target for many groups and is unsafe alone even if he succeeds.


For those of you who're all for attacking, please go back and edit in turning off lethal. Even if you're just firing off a Ring Bind, he's probably going to resist, and it'd be a shame to spell out a non lethal initial attack and then have Silently roll the dice and go "Well that failed, and you're still on Full Lethal spells so... lets see how much of him is left after you instinctively hit him with a Flare Shooter as follow up."
 
For those of you who're all for attacking, please go back and edit in turning off lethal. Even if you're just firing off a Ring Bind, he's probably going to resist, and it'd be a shame to spell out a non lethal initial attack and then have Silently roll the dice and go "Well that failed, and you're still on Full Lethal spells so... lets see how much of him is left after you instinctively hit him with a Flare Shooter as follow up."
There's little to no chance of him breaking a Ring Bind (or the spell missing him) unless he is somehow hiding Brute or Mover abilities.
 
[X] Talk Sparky out of attacking again.
-[X]Tell sparky that leviathan has already figured out how to protect himself from the nanites.
-[X]Explain that it's targeting the the teleportation beacons, also you can point out that he might be responsible for most of the casualties in this fight as Leviathan is now just redirection and spreading his shots in crowds.
-[X]Offer resources and protection with Dragon(New tinker to exploit)Mention he is now a target for many groups and is unsafe alone even if he succeeds.


For those of you who're all for attacking, please go back and edit in turning off lethal. Even if you're just firing off a Ring Bind, he's probably going to resist, and it'd be a shame to spell out a non lethal initial attack and then have Silently roll the dice and go "Well that failed, and you're still on Full Lethal spells so... lets see how much of him is left after you instinctively hit him with a Flare Shooter as follow up."

While it seems obvious with the given description, let's verify the easy way, since getting people to change their votes is unlikely to happen:
@Silently Watches does the leading vote of
[X] Attack Sparky. He has already shown he doesn't care about collateral damage.
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.

need to include a 'non-lethal' descriptor, given the plan clearly leaves him alive and Ring Bind has no lethal setting? It seems silly to even ask, but I'm just paranoid enough to want to double check.

He's a tinker in his own lab with a vat full of grey goo.

Unless I completely misread, he is not in his lab. He's well away from Leviathan himself, but close enough to be able to hit him. If the Elite really are North American only(I don't recall for certain), he's on the opposite side of the planet from his probable lab. Since the current plan restrains him immediately and then drags him somewhere else, somewhere far away from everything he isn't carrying on his person, he doesn't even have much in his reach. The biggest threat at the moment is that he has a voice activated mode for his gear. Our barrier jacket being a force field means we should be safe from any other nanotech attack he tries.
 
Unless I completely misread, he is not in his lab. He's well away from Leviathan himself, but close enough to be able to hit him. If the Elite really are North American only(I don't recall for certain), he's on the opposite side of the planet from his probable lab. Since the current plan restrains him immediately and then drags him somewhere else, somewhere far away from everything he isn't carrying on his person, he doesn't even have much in his reach. The biggest threat at the moment is that he has a voice activated mode for his gear. Our barrier jacket being a force field means we should be safe from any other nanotech attack he tries.
That's a fair point, he's not in his lab, he is however still standing next to a vat of grey goo.

We DO have an alien super computer.

With just a thought it could be OUR vat of grey goo.

Not that we really need it, Shipwright used nano machines in Vista's arm, so we already have access to that tech.

That's not a bad point, but it's not in the plan. We've been burned for being non specific before and clarification will help a lot.

It also brings up another unrelated point: Once Tim and Perfect Storm analyze the Grey Goo it's possible (unlikely, but possible) that SW will let us make things out of Grey Goo, which means that Tim might be able to just make a Grey Goo machine instead of having to make and scrap multiple devices in order to get the raw mats for a Template, or it'll speed up other construction.


Another unrelated point. I've been talking about NANOMACHINES and haven't brought up Hostile Waters: Antaeus Rising this needs to be corrected STAT. (Doubly relevant when you consider that Perfect Storm was able to back us up like the Personality Chips from that game)
 
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[X] Attack Sparky. He has already shown he doesn't care about collateral damage.
-[X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
-[X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.
 
We DO have an alien super computer.

With just a thought it could be OUR vat of grey goo.

Not that we really need it, Shipwright used nano machines in Vista's arm, so we already have access to that tech.

Given the rather large array of possible uses nanotech has, and what I recall from discussing the arm, this tech would most likely still offer some benefit to him. If nothing else, seeing a different approach to the same idea might inspire him, but the real reason we, or some of us at least, think this could be of use to Shipwright is SW responding to a comment about how poorly the tech was being used by reminding us that we have access to a Tinker who is not a complete and utter moron. I'll try to dig it up later. There've been enough pages of discussion on this update that I'm not sure how long that will take, but it will have to wait until after supper.

edit: It's not much, but
I want to officially report Sparky as the Trucebreaker who ruined the plan and killed Alexandria, knock him out, and get back to the fight. Maybe a non-terrible tinker can salvage something out of his cannon.
Conveniently, you have a non-terrible Tinker in your little group.

It might not be a big boost, but studying stuff for inspiration only costs one build slot.
 
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