Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)
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[X] Attack Sparky. He has already shown he doesn't care about collateral damage.
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.
Maybe, maybe not.
When we were thinking about firing Ragnarok, did the Truce come up in story? In character, Taylor never considered the Truce, it was about the casualties.
But attacking him definitely is a violation of the Truce. Disarm him then let Legend deal with it.
It's safer and also lets us get back to Leviathan quicker. We've already wasted enough time on this guy.
- Location
- Georgia
I see Doc Brown from this description.
Something tells me he's never read about the 'grey goo' ELE before. The only reason I don't want this guy zapped immediately is that it miight be impossible to shut the nanites down without him inputitng a kill code of some kind.
That low? With one cast of Ragnarok giving automatic mana poisoning, I thought it would only take ten cartridges at all. It.s good to know that we can use up to nineteen without mana poisoning if it's spread out over a number of spells.
Now to read all the comments I see have been posted, and see if I can figure out how to get updates that alert me to new posts in a thread I'm watching that don't involve people quoting/responding/etc. to my posts.
Silently Watches
Professional Stalker
- Location
- Right behind you
The new nanites get the latest time from their parent, so it's one minute total.
Not really, no.
Launching a mega attack at an Endbringer that kills other capes is not a truce violation in and of itself. That's considered part of the danger. The first shot from the cannon was acceptable. The second could have been acceptable; he really should have checked to see what happened after firing the first one, but one could make an argument he still didn't know the results and had reason to believe he was hurting the Endbringer more.
Once Calamity Witch told him that all he had done was kill capes assembled for the fight, he has to stop. By refusing to stand down, he broke the Truce just the same as Armsmaster did when he knowingly allowed/helped more villains to be killed than heroes in canon.
Plus, even if it came down to he said she said, you have Dragon and an angry Alexandria (assuming she survived) who would side with you.
The formula for mana overload/poisoning is R*N^2, where R is mage rank (S=1 to D=7) and N is number of cartridges used in a given spell. Each casting of Solar Wrath and Mistilteinn uses 4 cartridges, so 16%. Ragnarök uses 10 cartridges per cast, so 100%.
The nanites have a built-in time limit. WoQM.
RoninSword
Sky God
- Location
- Canada
In regards to my comment on:
SW replied
Edit: Imped by the QM.
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ayula
Classy Adventurer
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SW explicitly said that the votes are arranged from hardest to easiest so logically attacking him is easier than breaking the cannon.
A few other points:
İf we break the cannon and leave him alone there's no guarantee that he won't pull something else out of his ass and searching his lair would be too time consuming.
Even with their limited lifespans those nanites are self-replicating and they just got teleported alongside the wounded capes. The fucker may have killed people without us realising it in that timespan. He's too dangrous to leave alone.
serra2
Himouto! Sylvanas-chan
[X] Talk Sparky out of attacking again.
-[X]Tell sparky that leviathan has already figured out how to protect himself from the nanites.
-[X]Explain that it's targeting the the teleportation beacons, also you can point out that he might be responsible for most of the casualties in this fight as Leviathan is now just redirection and spreading his shots in crowds.
-[X]Offer resources and protection with Dragon(New tinker to exploit)Mention he is now a target for many groups and is unsafe alone even if he succeeds.
Come on guys, figure out diplomacy. His shit actually could work on the Endbringers, it just needs some decent refinement, preferably under Dragon. If things go well, we won't even need to risk Ragnarok against 2 of 3 Endbringers!
-[X]Tell sparky that leviathan has already figured out how to protect himself from the nanites.
-[X]Explain that it's targeting the the teleportation beacons, also you can point out that he might be responsible for most of the casualties in this fight as Leviathan is now just redirection and spreading his shots in crowds.
-[X]Offer resources and protection with Dragon(New tinker to exploit)Mention he is now a target for many groups and is unsafe alone even if he succeeds.
Come on guys, figure out diplomacy. His shit actually could work on the Endbringers, it just needs some decent refinement, preferably under Dragon. If things go well, we won't even need to risk Ragnarok against 2 of 3 Endbringers!
- Location
- New Jersey, USA
If he kills Alexandria, we have a dead Alexandria on our side, and that's even more convincing
- Location
- London, 1935. August.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] Attack Sparky. He has already shown he doesn't care about collateral damage.
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.
The middle of an Endbringers fight while we have incredibly dangerous tinkertech screwing with the fight is not the right time for diplomacy. We can pull him out of the fight for now and deal with him later when we're not mid-battle.
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.
The middle of an Endbringers fight while we have incredibly dangerous tinkertech screwing with the fight is not the right time for diplomacy. We can pull him out of the fight for now and deal with him later when we're not mid-battle.
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- Location
- mexico
[X] Talk Sparky out of attacking again.
-[X]Tell sparky that leviathan has already figured out how to protect himself from the nanites.
-[X]Explain that it's targeting the the teleportation beacons, also you can point out that he might be responsible for most of the casualties in this fight as Leviathan is now just redirection and spreading his shots in crowds.
-[X]Offer resources and protection with Dragon(New tinker to exploit)Mention he is now a target for many groups and is unsafe alone even if he succeeds.
-[X]Tell sparky that leviathan has already figured out how to protect himself from the nanites.
-[X]Explain that it's targeting the the teleportation beacons, also you can point out that he might be responsible for most of the casualties in this fight as Leviathan is now just redirection and spreading his shots in crowds.
-[X]Offer resources and protection with Dragon(New tinker to exploit)Mention he is now a target for many groups and is unsafe alone even if he succeeds.
- Location
- Georgia
Collateral damage is not a violation of the truce. The truce means "I ignore that you're a villain/hero/my nemesis while dealing with the threat to all humanity, and then we can go back to trying to kill each other tomorrow." Any attack strong enough to affect an EB is going to be a risk to other capes at the scene.
This is what we get for crit-failing our coordination roll. Whoever rolled that, maybe not roll next time?
NO BREAK THE CANNON. 2 reasons:
1: the nanites in the cannon might not have their limits set yet. Destroying the canon might trigger the great Grey Goo.
2. Tim can study and reproduce tinker tech. There's no way he couldn't do better than this idiot ever dreamed of if given a chance to study it.
With a small edit, my vote
[X] Attack Sparky. He has already shown he doesn't care about collateral damage.
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about what he did, why we bound him, and that we were not violating the truce in doing so.
I know my version won't win. I doubt it will get any votes at all beyond mine. It's just that with SW nearly killing off Sam thanks to sloppy wording, I feel the right phrasing might be important. Plus, as SW has said, his attacks before now were not a violation of the truce, no matter how ill timed and ill thought out they were.
I consider her being vulnerable to the nanites to be highly unlikely. I consider the odds of her choosing not to "accidentally" hurt Sparky for leaving her nude and for taking out so many of the people who were actually doing good to be even lower.
Note that the "attack Sparky" vote that is the bandwagon of the day specifies using Ring Bind to keep him from doing more harm to our side. This is not a truce violation in either spirit or letter. Even if it were, remember that the people who would judge our actions would be the other capes he was killing with a weapon already proven to be ineffective at hurting Leviathan and quite effective at hurting allies.
I did admit that I posted that before reading the comments that came after the post, and I still need to figure out the new alerts settings, as I got an alert you had replied to my comment a page after the point in my thread where your comment suddenly sits. I read every comment, skimming the votes instead of reading closely, and yet your reply to me was not there until after I saw the alert and clicked it to go back.
I am glad that you aren't screwing us over quite so much as a full grey goo incident would do, though I didn't expect you to have an actual realization of that horrible potential. I just thought of the safety features as being part of the shard's "don't kill the host species*" protocols rather than him thinking to limit them on his own.
I suspect I may be having spontaneous asychronous temporal fluxes again. I thought I grew out of that years from now/ago, too.
*Yet. After all, killing off the host species is one of the goals, after all, just not before they collected enough data from us.
- Location
- Pittsburgh PA
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- He/Him
[X] Attack Sparky. He has already shown he doesn't care about collateral damage.
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.
LancerisDead
Definitely not a cat
- Location
- Buenos Aires
[X] Talk Sparky out of attacking again. Requires a strong in-character argument.
-[X]If you want to be "untouchable", this is the worst way to go about it possible.
-[X]For once, someone able to harm Leviathan would be of incredible value to the Elite and groups like it. There's no way they wouldn't go after you even harder.
-[X]On the other, there's people that'd have big problems with this. The Fallen are a thing, after all, and they wouldn't take well to someone injuring their gods.
-[X]Even then, you just hurt a lot of people and plan to keep on going. Someone's bound to have a grudge against you. You may want to stop digging yourself even further, shut down your canon and go to the Protectorate for protection.
[X] If he doesn't comply, break the cannon. No gun, no problem, and Legend can deal with him after.
-[X]Use Rust Shooter.
-[X]If you want to be "untouchable", this is the worst way to go about it possible.
-[X]For once, someone able to harm Leviathan would be of incredible value to the Elite and groups like it. There's no way they wouldn't go after you even harder.
-[X]On the other, there's people that'd have big problems with this. The Fallen are a thing, after all, and they wouldn't take well to someone injuring their gods.
-[X]Even then, you just hurt a lot of people and plan to keep on going. Someone's bound to have a grudge against you. You may want to stop digging yourself even further, shut down your canon and go to the Protectorate for protection.
[X] If he doesn't comply, break the cannon. No gun, no problem, and Legend can deal with him after.
-[X]Use Rust Shooter.
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- Location
- USA
[X] Attack Sparky. He has already shown he doesn't care about collateral damage.
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.
Not really the time for diplomacy when we've already tried and failed in-story. He's lucky Calamity was remotely calm enough to stop and talk, then just bind. Fully expected the canon to get chopped and maybe the tinker inside, the way it was giving invisitext-flashbacks and the talk about Danny's injury.
As to plans after this..... between the damage we've done (we didn't quite see results of Breakdown's attack did we?) and the heroes and other damage lost in city, if Leviathan isn't leaving now what do we expect to try that would tip it over @_@ ?
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.
Not really the time for diplomacy when we've already tried and failed in-story. He's lucky Calamity was remotely calm enough to stop and talk, then just bind. Fully expected the canon to get chopped and maybe the tinker inside, the way it was giving invisitext-flashbacks and the talk about Danny's injury.
As to plans after this..... between the damage we've done (we didn't quite see results of Breakdown's attack did we?) and the heroes and other damage lost in city, if Leviathan isn't leaving now what do we expect to try that would tip it over @_@ ?
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
No, it can't. Endbringers have an entire galaxy worth of mass to call on from canon. Meaning any limit to the grey goo is certain to be too low to actually do more than make them itch. You'll never kill an endbringer by attacking its mass, you have to destroy the core.
[X] Attack Sparky. He has already shown he doesn't care about collateral damage.
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.
Might not be the optimal solution, but it makes sense wrt the situation at hand:
[X] Attack Sparky. He has already shown he doesn't care about collateral damage.
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.
[X] Attack Sparky. He has already shown he doesn't care about collateral damage.
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.
Spectral Waltz
Scatterbrained Writer
- Location
- Walking the Endless Corridors
Why are we trying to talk this chucklefuck down? He just killed multiple people and is fully planning to make the problem worse.
Smash his shit, knock him out, and we can discuss whether or not to dump him in the birdcage for his monumental stupidity later.
[X] Attack Sparky. He has already shown he doesn't care about collateral damage.
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.
Edited in vote, was on tablet earlier.
Smash his shit, knock him out, and we can discuss whether or not to dump him in the birdcage for his monumental stupidity later.
[X] Attack Sparky. He has already shown he doesn't care about collateral damage.
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.
Edited in vote, was on tablet earlier.
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[X] Attack Sparky. He has already shown he doesn't care about collateral damage.
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.
ayula
Classy Adventurer
- Location
- ~
We can have Dragon and Tim take a look at his tech after the battle. Hell,even Armsmaster used similiar nanites in canon Worm. More importantly
if Alexandria actually inhaled some of the nanites at this point can they replicate inside her and close off her airways in the one minute time limit?
Mellodi
Lord of Shits Not Given
- Location
- Australia
[X] Attack Sparky. He has already shown he doesn't care about collateral damage.
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.
Shouldn't this be...Apprehend sparky??? I mean, we're taking auto kill off our spells so...
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.
Shouldn't this be...Apprehend sparky??? I mean, we're taking auto kill off our spells so...
[X] Attack Sparky. He has already shown he doesn't care about collateral damage.
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.
- [X] Put him in a ring bind and teleport him to Dragon or Tim for holding and interrogation on his nanites
- [X] Take him to the headquarters after the battle and tell them about how and why he broke the truce.
One thing I'd like to mention is the potential that this idiot may have hopefully created a kill switch for all his nannites he might be able to flip to neutralize them all instead of having to worry about any dead man's switch he may have put into his stuff which may be activated if he's too far away from them.
Spectral Waltz
Scatterbrained Writer
- Location
- Walking the Endless Corridors
If he'd done that he would have hit it after melting a bunch of people and tagging Alexandria. I don't believe he's smart enough to have thought of it.
Or if he is, I don't believe that the time spent convincing him to use it will have been worth it even if it does exist.