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okay but what if, like, we found him two really attractive twin brothers
Magna Graecia: Titanomachia (A City State Quest)
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- ancient greece alternate history empire builder civ quest democracy gods save us granary management hubris it's an eretrian thing. let lose the weasels of war lithocracy lithocracy is my fetish maximum hellene my big fat greek divine wedding this granary aint gonna fill itself cetash unwinnable
okay but what if, like, we found him two really attractive twin brothers
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
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Look, I'm gonna tell you up-front, you really don't want to attract Alkibiades' long-term attention. Yes, the man's antics are hilarious, but he just consigned the natives of Sicilia to death without any hesitation after gaining their trust. The guy is extremely dangerous.
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A war to push back the Oscans seems like a non-starter. Unless you're proposing we somehow steamroll the Dauni and Samnites to get there, shifting the necessary mass of troops that far from Eretria, with no real basis of support locally just doesn't seem feasible.
dontpressenter
Irrational Philosopher
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OOC: Dear god that was a treat to read over breakfast.
What does he even think of us? All in all, I'm pretty sure people will think the outcome of the Congress will be mostly attributed to Alkibiades, with Eretria not having done much in comparison. How does he take us?
over a century ago, the oracle at Delphi received a grave and terrible omen
she called the greatest pythia from all across Hellas to help her interpret this omen, and they sat together in contemplation inhaling the sacred smoke and watching the patterns of birds
eventually, the message from divine Apollon became clear
that one day, the Platonic Ideal Fucboi would be born, and his Fucboi powers would be so immense that they would cast the whole world into flames
HE HAS ARISEN
Professor Vesca
Good News Everyone!
Will the event in Sicily become a comedy in Eretria?
We should call it the Alkibiades power hour.
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
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A glimpse into Alkibiades' mind is not something I'm just going to give you
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We had the chance to become their allies, we didn't, and this is now cropping foreign policy actions anyway even as the situation in Sicily is becoming stabler for our interests. Who is now going to champion becoming their allies and annoying the Sikeliote League for the sake of launching a risky and distant war against a bunch of poor shephards so that Kymai can stay in place where they have little contact with or benefit to us?
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A glimpse into Alkibiades' mind is not something I'm just going to give you
Now I'm curious, let's kidnap him.
A glimpse into Alkibiades' mind is not something I'm just going to give you
I'm kinda afraid to go too deep now that I think about it.
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@Cetashwayo Is there a reason the polis stats haven't been included in the latest update?
It is also missing an starter tale from the wider world and the symbol of Eretria Eshkata. Is there a reason for all this?
It is also missing an starter tale from the wider world and the symbol of Eretria Eshkata. Is there a reason for all this?
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Chimeraguard
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Yeah, these are pretty big hurdles to jump. Plus, unless we can convince the adult male refugees (who are probably rather fewer in number) to take up arms (if they exist), it'll be Eretria that will be shouldering the bulk of the effort (and therefore the casualties), which is another rather big issue.
Though I suppose a bunch of the population being refugees with little loyalty to Kymai means we're likely to get some of them willing to be evacuated if we go that way.
I wonder if this is actually a scenario where mercenaries could be useful/considered by Eretria. If they're close by, the logistics of getting them there might not be as complicated, and if the Oscans are driven out, the sudden drop in population from the invasion means there should be land enough that it could be offered for them to permanently settle in.
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Per WOG,
The most obvious thing to me that we're going to get out of this is prestige. Kymai is the oldest Greek settlement in mainland Italy, and this matters to Hellenes; besides the benefits Cetash mentions, saving Kymai is going to be significant boost to our diplomacy with other Hellenes.
Given how many dice rolls are involved in diplomacy, the prestige bonus to those rolls is going to be very valuable just on its own.
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Overland is out like you say, but... the most effective way to break the siege is through killing enough of the Oscan sheep herds that they can't sustain that many men in the field, yeah?
Professor Vesca
Good News Everyone!
Its 490 nautical miles to Kymai (I calculated) we got a full load of supplies, half an amphora of wine, its dark, and we're wearing hats.
Hit it.
Hit it.
"To seriously fight the shepherds so far from our boders is folly, unless it is supported by the power of all the Greeks in Italia. We would be able to support only a tithe of our strength so far away, and so small a force could not have much hope of victory, even if every man was a Herodion.
It will take an alliance. With the spears of Thurii, Krotone, Rhegion, Lokri, Krotone, and every lesser polis joined, led by Eretria, we can drive these arsonists and thieves back to their hills and sheepfolds, at least for a generation.
I say that now is not the time for that. The other cities may not see that the danger to them is real, certainly not until Kymai has fallen and awoken them to the danger. By which point, it will be too late to save her.
We must save the people of Kymai from destruction in this battle, so that we may later win the war."
It will take an alliance. With the spears of Thurii, Krotone, Rhegion, Lokri, Krotone, and every lesser polis joined, led by Eretria, we can drive these arsonists and thieves back to their hills and sheepfolds, at least for a generation.
I say that now is not the time for that. The other cities may not see that the danger to them is real, certainly not until Kymai has fallen and awoken them to the danger. By which point, it will be too late to save her.
We must save the people of Kymai from destruction in this battle, so that we may later win the war."
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
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It's not a turn update. Stats will be next turn. I felt it unnecessary to do multiple budgets for this turn.
It clearly didn't matter enough for them to care historically
You're somewhat overestimating the bonds of empathy that Hellenes have for each other and projecting a kind of national idealism onto this that doesn't really exist. That's really a little more 4th century BCE in concept and even then in the face of fucking Rome the Italiotes were feuding. Obviously things change over time but the Hellenes are very happy to let other Hellene cities get sacked. After all, in the face of the Persians, only 31 poleis actually fought back rather than capitulating (Thebai) or remaining neutral (many island towns).
The Oscans are just going to move their herds inland.
DkArthas
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[X] [Colony] Pharos. The excellent natural harbor at Pharos would make it a fine place for a central Adriatic port, even if it has a larger indigenous population. [-40 talents of grain and construction costs, 600 colonists found Pharos, -100 pop from Eretria, 400 colonists found Issa, -50 pop from Eretria].
[X] [Lykai] Spread them out through the Epulian League and colonies [+100 settlers in each Epulian city including Ankon and the colony chosen to be the primary colony for Eretria in the Adriatic Dodecanese].
[X] [Kymai] We must save the city! [Begins the Kymai Rescue Quest Chain. -1 foreign mission for each Demos in the next election. Demes will put aside any complicated or military expeditions until the next election cycle].
I would prefer spreading out the families to be on the safe side. Together, they might be able to cause some problems for us in the future.
Anyway, the update was hilarious. And, maybe, I am being overly paranoid but I am a bit worried about Linos. It's probably nothing.
[X] [Lykai] Spread them out through the Epulian League and colonies [+100 settlers in each Epulian city including Ankon and the colony chosen to be the primary colony for Eretria in the Adriatic Dodecanese].
[X] [Kymai] We must save the city! [Begins the Kymai Rescue Quest Chain. -1 foreign mission for each Demos in the next election. Demes will put aside any complicated or military expeditions until the next election cycle].
I would prefer spreading out the families to be on the safe side. Together, they might be able to cause some problems for us in the future.
Anyway, the update was hilarious. And, maybe, I am being overly paranoid but I am a bit worried about Linos. It's probably nothing.
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Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
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I think people are overestimating how much effort Eretrians are willing to go through. The reason why a Kymai rescue is valuable is that despite all of its expense it's not really incredibly risky to Eretria to do so because they're not directly facing Oscans. Throw that away for a crazy inland expedition and you are rolling dice that killed multiple capable commanders who made the mistake of thinking they can take the Oscans on home turf in a battle.
You're asking a hell of a lot for a city to do for another city it has only amiable relations with when a big fuckup could cost a lot for Eretria. I mean, yeah, you can definitely do it, but it's going to be incredibly risky and you're not going to build some grand coalition. Italiotes by and large don't care enough or don't think it's enough of a threat, and some are even celebrating the weakening of a major rival.
You're asking a hell of a lot for a city to do for another city it has only amiable relations with when a big fuckup could cost a lot for Eretria. I mean, yeah, you can definitely do it, but it's going to be incredibly risky and you're not going to build some grand coalition. Italiotes by and large don't care enough or don't think it's enough of a threat, and some are even celebrating the weakening of a major rival.
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Professor Vesca
Good News Everyone!
A city on the far side of our ability to do anything no less.
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
@Cetashwayo
Could you say whether or not the scenario of relieving Kymai is a situation where Eretria might consider hiring mercenaries?
I thought this might be an atypical enough scenario that Eretria might be willing despite (or maybe because) Eretria isn't at risk here, and a theoretical aftermath seems like the kind of thing that could lead to something similar to what you mentioned in your own Informational Post on mercs, plus it means far less risk of Eretrians dying.
If the answer is no, I'd say the most feasible thing to do would be evacuation. I'm more than happy to spend coin on helping Kymai, but Eretrian lives are a much more precious commodity.
Could you say whether or not the scenario of relieving Kymai is a situation where Eretria might consider hiring mercenaries?
I thought this might be an atypical enough scenario that Eretria might be willing despite (or maybe because) Eretria isn't at risk here, and a theoretical aftermath seems like the kind of thing that could lead to something similar to what you mentioned in your own Informational Post on mercs, plus it means far less risk of Eretrians dying.
If the answer is no, I'd say the most feasible thing to do would be evacuation. I'm more than happy to spend coin on helping Kymai, but Eretrian lives are a much more precious commodity.
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Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
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The kind of scale of mercenaries you're talking about here are beyond the scale Eretria could really afford to hire without totaling its treasury for symbolic gains. I'm not even sure the mercenary market is big enough to accommodate that demand.
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