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Victoria Falls: A Post-Collapse American Nation Quest [Down With Victoria!]

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Lazer Raptor said:
[X] Plan All the Economy
-[X] Brown Water Navy
-[X] Disastrous Start
-[X] The Greatest Sin
-[X] Independent Merchants
-[X] Rail Companies
-[X] Vaccines
-[X] Efficient Bureaucracy
-[X] Population Boom
-[X] Disunited Currency
-[X] Import/Export
-[X] Libraries

[X] Plan Entrepot
-[X] Brown Water Navy
-[X] Independent Merchants
-[X] Ear To The Ground
-[X] Libraries
-[X] Population Boom
-[X] Import/Export Professionals

Brown Water Navy and libraries are important. Of these two, I prefer Entrepot for it's intelligence buff.

[X] Plan Go Big or Go Home
-[X] The Greatest Sin
-[X] Disunited Currency
-[X] Population Boom
-[X] Nuke
-[X] Established
-[X] Independent Merchants
-[X] Widespread Vaccinations

This I'm including because the nuke is big and sort of compensates for the downsides.
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Securing a better Tommorow V3 also has libraries and brown water navy, and although it doesn't have a very good intelligence network it replaces it with a strong economy with no early game economic crisis to deal with.
Wiadi said:
Okay, TBH I don't love any of the existing front-runners but All-Around Start commits the critical sin of taking Population Boom without Vaccinations so in the interests of avoiding a plague outbreak...

[X] Plan All the Economy

Plan Just the Government is, simply put, doing too little - I'd much rather be managing some disadvantages than having almost nothing we're actually distinctively good at outside the military. And speaking of disinclination to have the military be our primary selling point, I imagine my opposition to Burning the World needs no elaboration, especially as my basic objections have already been covered by more adept posters quite thoroughly.
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Any chance I could sell you on Securing a better Tommorow V3? It's got vaccinations alongside population boom, and no economic downsides to cripple independant merchants, which could be critical when it comes to using our merchants to feed our population boom - not to mention support in the form of an antipiracy navy to give our merchants the run of the mississippi, and libraries, which gives our population that very critical literacy.
 
Hellfire Burns was actually in the lead for a bit? Toppest of kek's.

In all honesty, though, that wasn't going to be a frontrunner for too long. I knew last night once the ball got rolling for this vote, most of us were picking the more manageable options. A chaos start is fun and all, but I know the community generally doesn't go for stuff like that. @PoptartProdigy You also have to admit, and this isn't a criticism of your quest running skills, but man would it be annoying for everyone involved to keep track of the negative and positive traits for our civs.

So yeah, fun idea but I knew once everyone started weighing in it wasn't going to get off the ground. Still interesting to see that it got that far though.
 
[x] Plan Entrepot
[X]Securing a better Tommorow V3
[X] Plan: Manufacture and Tax
[X] Plan Security, Established, and Economy
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[X]Securing a better Tommorow V3
[X] Plan All the Economy
[X] Plan Entrepot
[X] Plan Just the Government
[X] Plan Go Big or Go Home
 
I guess the choice between all round and all economy is really between vaccinations and an assassin killing political leaders.
 
QTesseract said:
Any chance I could sell you on Securing a better Tommorow V3? It's got vaccinations alongside population boom, and no economic downsides to cripple independant merchants, which could be critical when it comes to using our merchants to feed our population boom - not to mention support in the form of an antipiracy navy to give our merchants the run of the mississippi, and libraries, which gives our population that very critical literacy.
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I mean, I don't like its current chances but I suppose I can try & help build its credibility as a plan so okay sure. It's got most of my critical points hit and while the intel situation is concerning it's not like All the Econ is a walk in the park disadvantage-wise either.

[X] Plan All the Economy

[X] Securing a better Tommorow V3

(also that typo in the plan name is going to bug me forever but it's probably too late to fix now)
 
Woo, time for voting. :)

[] Plan All the Economy
[] Plan Entrepot
[] Plan Just the Government
[] Plan All-Round Start
 
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To those voting, all-around start contains neither a navy nor any form of rail companies. So it's going to make building up the economy much slower, its a more generalist plan. But it involves completely missing out on having a navy, and on being able to easily transport resources in our territory.

Edit: It is is also taking population boom with no rail or vaccines to reduce the deaths from the first turns.

Edit 2: Plus, hellfire is already defeated
 
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[X] Plan All the Economy



I do not have any must-haves per se.

However, I think that taking Pop Boom necessitates, without compromise, Vaccines and Railroads. Without former, refugees weakened by being refugees, hunger and first winter will die in droves. Without latter, they will be hungry unless our riverine traders manage to import enough food.

So I cannot vote for All-Round.
But I do want something to similar effect, so All The Economy it is.
 
Blackstar said:
To those voting, all-around start contains neither a navy nor any form of rail companies. So it's going to make building up the economy much slower, its a more generalist plan. But it involves completely missing out on having a navy, and on being able to easily transport resources in our territory.

Edit: It is is also taking population boom with no rail or vaccines to reduce the deaths from the first turns.

Edit 2: Plus, hellfire is already defeated
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Yeah seeing that Hellfire is down, I think it may be time to rethink exactly how many eco plans I need to vote for.
 
[] Plan All the Economy
-[] Brown Water Navy
-[] Disastrous Start
-[] The Greatest Sin
-[] Independent Merchants
-[] Rail Companies
-[] Vaccines
-[] Efficient Bureaucracy
-[] Population Boom
-[] Disunited Currency
-[] Import/Export
-[] Libraries
edit: actually wait no what the hell why take all these debuffs if you're not even going to take Established

double edit: efficient bureaucracy is better than I thought?

[] Plan Entrepot
-[] Brown Water Navy
-[] Independent Merchants
-[] Ear To The Ground
-[] Libraries
-[] Population Boom
-[] Import/Export Professionals

triple edit: I like Usili's plan enough to remove all my votes for everything else

Hellfire Burns vote has been removed.
 
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Well as disappointed as I am that Hellfire Burns Vs. The World seems unlikely to win, I take solace in how much unexpected support it received regardless.

Since that doesn't look like it'll be an option, I'm adding

[X] Plan All the Economy

to my vote in lieu of Protector of the Midwest. I could do without the Greatest Sin, but All-Round start lacks Brown-Water Navies or Rail Companies.
 
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See, I cannot vote for all the economy because it has the greatest sin- assassin's killing leaders, and not established, together.

It's possible for them to delay or stop our Congress just by killing our people first.
 
Alanek said:
See, I cannot vote for all the economy because it has the greatest sin- assassin's killing leaders, and not established, together.

It's possible for them to delay or stop our Congress just by killing our people first.
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But, it also takes efficient bureaucracy, meaning that leadership replacements can happen quickly instead of it taking multiple turns and actions to find candidates. Like, established and efficient bureaucracy are two sides of one coin. One sets up the management half of government, the other sets up the deciding half.
 
I suppose I'll change my vote to get rid of Hellfire Burns vs the World.

[X] Go Big or Go Boom
-[X] Population Boom
-[X]Victorian Sympathizers
-[X] The Greatest Sin
-[X] Import Export Professionals
-[X] Outbreak
-[x] Nuke
-[X] Established
-[X] Independent Merchants
-[X] Widespread Vaccinations
-[X] Resistance Contacts

[x] Go Big or Go Home
-[X] The Greatest Sin
-[X] Disunited Currency
-[X] Population Boom
-[x] Nuke
-[X] Established
-[X] Independent Merchants
-[X] Widespread Vaccinations

[X] Go Bigger
-[X] The Greatest Sin
-[X] Disunited Currency
-[X] Population Boom
-[X]Victorian Sympathizers
-[X] Outbreak
-[X] Crossed Wires
-[x] Nuke
-[X] Established
-[X] Independent Merchants
-[X] Widespread Vaccinations
-[X] Efficient Bureaucracy
-[X] Well-Preserved
-[X] Brown-Water Navy

[x] All-Round Start
-[X] Independent Merchants
-[X] Established
-[X] Good Security
-[X] Libraries
-[X] Population Boom
-[X] Disastrous Start
 
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I honestly think Plan Entrepot is the best all-round plan, currently. It gives us some good stuff to work with, no real crippling maluses, and we'll have the tools to deal with things as they come. I also just like it from a narrative standpoint.
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Alanek said:
See, I cannot vote for all the economy because it has the greatest sin- assassin's killing leaders, and not established, together.

It's possible for them to delay or stop our Congress just by killing our people first.
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I really don't like either of the two main options. I genuinely think that Burns Vs. The World would be an improvement at this point.
 
[X] Hellfire Burns Vs. The World

Easy mode? What's that?
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I can also add an option to gear up and steal the nuke, if we want...

[ ] Grand Theft BOOM
-[ ] Ear to the Ground
-[ ] Good Security
-[ ] Aerial Reconnaissance
-[ ] Resistance Contacts
-[ ] Established
-[ ] Efficient Bureaucracy
-[ ] Well-Preserved
-[ ] The Greatest Sin
-[ ] Victorian Sympathizers
-[ ] Import/Export Professionals
-[ ] Hostile Neighborhood
 
Rivenscryr said:
I can also add an option to gear up and steal the nuke, if we want...

[ ] Grand Theft BOOM
-[ ] Ear to the Ground
-[ ] Good Security
-[ ] Aerial Reconnaissance
-[ ] Resistance Contacts
-[ ] Established
-[ ] Efficient Bureaucracy
-[ ] Well-Preserved
-[ ] The Greatest Sin
-[ ] Victorian Sympathizers
-[ ] Import/Export Professionals
-[ ] Hostile Neighborhood
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That would probably be your best possible chance to snag the nuke without paying the CP for it, honestly. Intelligence gets buff in your plan.
 
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