Guys?
If you don't ACTUALLY want the meme vote to win,
please do not vote for it. Approval voting gives zero fucks whether you 'meant' something to win or not, and
@PoptartProdigy is
explicitly Lawful Evil. They will happily take a meme plan and implement it right until it catches fire, crashes, craters, explodes, and catches fire again.
Crossed Wires and Nuke seems like a dangerous combination.
We can always keep it well away from the city center in an undisclosed location on general principles.
Just don't bury it underground unless you can bury it very, VERY deep.
[IMO, the Clan invasion failed because the Clans lost track of what the Inner Sphere center of gravity was. (Also because exactly two Clans didn't have their head up their collective asses, and also the toxic legacy of Nicky K that led directly to the shitshow at Tukayyid, but that's neither here nor there)]
On that note, my take on Victoria is that its center of gravity is its army and security apparatus. The Victorian state has very little resilience -- my read is hat regime depends on coercion to keep itself going, whereas ours does not. That seems to imply that a series of showy victories against the Victorian army, and thus its ability to coerce compliance out of its population, would provoke a broader collapse.
If our strategy is as army-topheavy as "Burns vs. The World" suggests, we too are vulnerable to this kind of strategy, as
@Ganurath points out.
Secondly, to defeat Victoria in that way, our "army with a state" would need to rapidly march all the way to Victorian territory and chew up its armed forces so badly that their own police-state control over the media isn't enough to let them hush up the defeats. I don't think the plan has enough logistical and economic components to make that tenable.
Or it could be a military man utilizing the resources suddenly available to him to lock him and Victoria into a suicide pact utterly confident that other Revivalist movements will emerge to exploit the demise of the hated fascists. Because it's an all but objective fact they will- and as someone who is on his 5th go of it Burns would absolutely know this. Obviously there is concern over any overwhelming focus on military, but from what Poptart has said Burns explicitly wants civilian administration. Him pulling a Washington or Cincinattus turned up to 11 is absolutely a possibility.
I mean, it
could. But there's a long history of (for instance) men like Cromwell deciding, reluctantly or 'reluctantly,' that they have no choice but to govern because democracy 'isn't working.'
It depends on how much you place your trust in Great Men in history, versus mass movements. Which is better to have on your side, a hero, or a nation? This is not a trick or rhetorical question; people have come down in favor of both sides. Me, I favor 'nation.'
Win or lose, Burns will have likely utterly gutted and ripped out the heart of Victoria.
That orrrr he'll lead an enthusiastic and ill-equipped army of Revivalists on a futile Children's Crusade into the heart of Victorian territory where they get chewed up by militia who've been propagandized to think of him as the Antichrist. His elite spearhead makes a "heroic last stand" (his fate on the Pacific coast catching up with him at last), but ultimately... well, he racks up hundreds of thousands of Victorian dead, and it turns out their totalitarian apparatus is just as capable of withstanding a huge invasion from the west as Stalin's was.
Plus, creating a power vacuum in defeat doesn't guarantee that things will get better. After Chicago suicide-charges Victoria, the next power bloc to arise may not be so nice as we'd hope...
As for the morality of it and the potential of military oppression- the more advocates like yourself who keep your skin in the game should it win, the more likely we are to wind up with Cincinattus than Cromwell.
Except I don't
want to be sitting around holding a potential military dictator on a leash; I want to be voting on the actions of someone who
isn't one bad year of frustrating action from the legislature away from turning into one.
And now, the votes.
[X] Plan All-Round Start
[X] Plan Entrepot
[X] Plan Just the Government
[X] Plan Bare Necessities
...
All the Economy at least tempts me.
I'd vote for
A plan with the nuke, except that it also has
Disunited Currency, the malus I like least.
...SIGH. Okay, jeez. I hate
Disunited Currency, but I want
Brown-Water Navy badly and as noted, Poptart killed most of the plans that have it and DON'T have big stacks of disadvantages.
[X] Plan All the Economy
...
As for some of the write-in plans- because as noted, NO military-strong plans survived that don't have a huge-stack of disadvantages.
[X]Securing a better Tommorow V3
[X]Securing a better Universe
And to have a nuke plan...
[X] Go Big or Go Boom
And my own nuke plan... somewhat altered. This gives us a solid territorial extent, with plenty of salvage, and secures the nuke- but it does nothing else, and we are surrounded by people who don't trust us. It's tough, but there's no such thing as a nuke plan that isn't tough.
[X] Plan Shadow of the Bomb, v2
-[X] Established
-[X] Well Preserved
-[X] Nuke
-[X] Population Boom
-[X] Disastrous Start
-[X] Hostile Neighborhood
