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Victoria Falls: A Post-Collapse American Nation Quest [Down With Victoria!]

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Pittauro said:
I'm the only one who's voting for schemer :rofl:

Also there are very few votes for the DC 70 option. Shame, it would be so epic if we passed it (and worst comes to worst, if we fail we simply ally with the socialists anyway...)
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Uh... are you sure about that?

Because we'd be kind of screwed if we instead fail the check and piss the socialists off enough to form a popular front party with the Communists. I think they might actually have a majority together.
 
Wiadi said:
Personally, I'd rather fail it - I want to drag the SocDems to the left, but even if I didn't, I'm also strongly in favor of normalizing coalition governments which involve actual compromise. "Biggest party gets to unilaterally set the agenda" is not a good precedent to have.
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well, it's not really setting it unilaterally. We're just playing the game better than both other parties :p

Fact is, if we win we get extra prestige. If we lose, we compromise on healthcare, which is what we would have done anyway.

Also avoiding the compromise it's probably better even if we WANT to actually improve healthcare. After all nothing stops us from improving it anyway, but without the compromise we can do it on a timetable of OUR choosing, without being forced to even if we have more urgent things to do. ( i imagine the compromise will lock one or more actions on that agenda, and locked action are always worse than freedom of choice in my opinion)

Simon_Jester said:
Uh... are you sure about that?

Because we'd be kind of screwed if we instead fail the check and piss the socialists off enough to form a popular front party with the Communists. I think they might actually have a majority together.
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well, i asked poptart before.

Pittauro said:
I wouldn't be against this one as well. If we get that 70+ we get all the advantages of a strong majority with none of the compromises.

@PoptartProdigy what exactly happen if we fail though? Hit to our reputation? You simply decide which of the other two factions joins us? Do we still have to cave in on one of their requests (healthcare or unions)? Do we still get to decide which one? Or do we simply rule with a minority government?
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PoptartProdigy said:
You'll get to pick who you keep (probably socialists even aside from how this thread votes; you're still running a minority with the NC. Small one, and the Socialists are friendly enough to you that you probably could get the swing voters, but no reason to trouble your start more than possible).
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gutza1 said:
In that case, you could make the PC the Speaker of the House, as the Prime Minister in Switerland is Switerland's head of government even though executive power is vested in a Federal Council.
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I'd like somebody with power, as opposed to somebody endlessly going, "Well, I'd like to do this, but alas, the Council holds all power."

Final word: no.
Pittauro said:
@PoptartProdigy i asked before, you said we'd probably get the socialists if we fail the DC. Do we still get to choose on what we compromise?
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They'd be making demands at that point.
Ruirk said:
[X][BOSS] The Old Guard: You have fought in parts of the world most Americans haven't even seen. You unit returned home in the wake of the Collapse, and you've been wandering the country ever since. You fought for the New American Confederation, Cascadia, and the Pacific Republic in turn. Your commanding officer died in California, and you took command. Your unit has been fighting the Victorians ever since, striking from the shadows and desperately keeping their weaponry maintained. You were young when your war started...now you're old. So damn old. But the fight's just kicking up. You're not done yet. You cleared the southern tip of the Lake of Victorian eyes. Time to get ready to strike a stronger blow against the bastards.
[X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
-[X][GOV] Cave in on the healthcare issue. You are worried about the state of healthcare, to be honest, you were only worried about the cost.

@PoptartProdigy Had a fun little idea last night. Recently watched The Postman, you know the semi-bad Kevin Costner movie, and I was thinking it might be interesting project to recreate the United States Postal Service but with sort of a Division bent towards them. You know, sending people out to deliver the good news that America is back and what not through pamphlets and newsletters, help bring communities together by moving mail (sort of like in the Postman), and sort of keeping an eye on things. I was kind of thinking this might help our refugees out a bit, because I imagine many left their homes to join with the United States in Chicago. It could go a long way to make people feel like the government hasn't forgotten that others might have had to leave people behind to make their journey to the Windy City.

Hell I'll even base a character in Congress off this idea to give it a little more merit. But the general idea is go for a low risk and low tech solution for decent/high rewards. I mean we don't have to give these guys cars or anything, horses can probably do. Which also made me wonder if we have horse breeders around, but that is another minor concern.
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...ooh, that's really interesting. Yes, that will be an option!
 
[X][BOSS] The Last Echo: You were chosen as Secretary of State by a woman who had been Speaker of the House before those before her in the line of succession died in transit to a safe location amid the chaos of the Collapse. You were confirmed by the last Congress of the United States minutes later. You served your President for years before a Russian assassin killed her and most of her cabinet, and you took up her role. By the slimmest of technicalities and a lot of bluffing, you hold a position that grants you precedence in the eyes of many. You convinced Chicago to call the Congress; you presided. It has been years, and you have been hunted for all of them. You have no room left in your heart for nostalgia. This country is a broken thing. No matter how much it must change, you will see it fixed and better than before. And once you serve a country that deserves the pride of the United States, you will tear Alexander from his throne.

[x][BOSS] The Old Guard: You have fought in parts of the world most Americans haven't even seen. You unit returned home in the wake of the Collapse, and you've been wandering the country ever since. You fought for the New American Confederation, Cascadia, and the Pacific Republic in turn. Your commanding officer died in California, and you took command. Your unit has been fighting the Victorians ever since, striking from the shadows and desperately keeping their weaponry maintained. You were young when your war started...now you're old. So damn old. But the fight's just kicking up. You're not done yet. You cleared the southern tip of the Lake of Victorian eyes. Time to get ready to strike a stronger blow against the bastards.

[X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
-[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions. ​
 
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From Discord:
PoptartProdigyToday at 9:02 PM

What do the concessions on unions entail?
Basically, the socialists get their wish list on unions, granting unions broad and potent privileges over private employers.

let's do the unions
we can do the healthcare later
You cannot, necessarily.


I have so many things relating to healthcare for a reason.


I wouldn't tell you this, but nobody has yet noticed the plot hook, and I feel bad.
PoptartProdigyToday at 9:07 PM

Not to say that you're doomed if you don't double down on health care, but it will be a pressing issue in the near future.
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Do you guys remember how there were a bunch of plagues?
 
Free notice: I hadn't realized I'd been subtle with this, but health care will, in fact, be a pressing issue in your near future. This came up on the Discord, I realized that the topic hadn't really been talked about that much, so: health care is something that modern states in the USA have to worry about in terms of, "how do we not get plagues," again.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
Free notice: I hadn't realized I'd been subtle with this, but health care will, in fact, be a pressing issue in your near future. This came up on the Discord, I realized that the topic hadn't really been talked about that much, so: health care is something that modern states in the USA have to worry about in terms of, "how do we not get plagues," again.
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*adds vaccinations to cp plan*
 
Why do i have the feeling that water supply and sanitation will be another pressing item? Roaming plagues, industrial wastes, and heavy lean on waterways.
 
[X][BOSS] The Last Echo: You were chosen as Secretary of State by a woman who had been Speaker of the House before those before her in the line of succession died in transit to a safe location amid the chaos of the Collapse. You were confirmed by the last Congress of the United States minutes later. You served your President for years before a Russian assassin killed her and most of her cabinet, and you took up her role. By the slimmest of technicalities and a lot of bluffing, you hold a position that grants you precedence in the eyes of many. You convinced Chicago to call the Congress; you presided. It has been years, and you have been hunted for all of them. You have no room left in your heart for nostalgia. This country is a broken thing. No matter how much it must change, you will see it fixed and better than before. And once you serve a country that deserves the pride of the United States, you will tear Alexander from his throne.

[x][BOSS] The Old Guard: You have fought in parts of the world most Americans haven't even seen. You unit returned home in the wake of the Collapse, and you've been wandering the country ever since. You fought for the New American Confederation, Cascadia, and the Pacific Republic in turn. Your commanding officer died in California, and you took command. Your unit has been fighting the Victorians ever since, striking from the shadows and desperately keeping their weaponry maintained. You were young when your war started...now you're old. So damn old. But the fight's just kicking up. You're not done yet. You cleared the southern tip of the Lake of Victorian eyes. Time to get ready to strike a stronger blow against the bastards.

[X][GOV] Just to lock down the government completely, also invite the Capitalists. You are Social Democrats; the only people you don't like are Communists. Of course...the New Capitalists and the Socialists really don't like one another...
-[X][GOV] Cave in on the healthcare issue. You are worried about the state of healthcare, to be honest, you were only worried about the cost.
 
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Pittauro said:
well, it's not really setting it unilaterally. We're just playing the game better than both other parties :p
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I assume from your smiley that you realize this isn't a real counterpoint, insofar as in practice the SocDems (aside: not sure why you're referring to them as "we" throughout) would in fact be setting the agenda unilaterally on a successful roll even if other factions would nominally have input. That said, I would appreciate it if you'd seriously engage with the point I was actually making (i.e. "norms of actual meaningful compromise are good")?
 
VoidZero said:
I mean the pollution from before the shattering of government. Heavy metal and such doesn't decay that quickly right?
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Lake Michigan water's safe to drink right now IRL, and it should be even cleaner in this setting, unless there was a preposterous amount of deliberate poisoning, which I can't rule out given the source material, but probably would have been mentioned before now.

If Chicago's pipes decay like Flint's, that's another story, but that's pipes, not the lake.
 
Wiadi said:
aside: not sure why you're referring to them as "we" throughout
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because it's the party that won, so it's the one we're playing. You have a point that not everyone voted Socdem though, so maybe the "we" is not exactly right.

Compromises are good, and i'm not against investing into healthcare (as i said before, i'm italian, we have (mostly) free healthcare here!), it's just that i think a compromise here would translate to locked actions, and i prefer to keep my choices open in case we have other emergencies.

I also like the "competent" repution we get if we pass the DC, while i do not mind the concessions we have to give if we fail (as i said i'm fine with healthcare, it would be my second choice, and while i'm not sure i'm ok with the strenghtened unions i could accept them.)

I'm basically trying to make my (the winning party's) interests, while actually doing nothing wrong/corrupt/immoral.
 
Ralson said:
Lake Michigan water's safe to drink right now IRL, and it should be even cleaner in this setting, unless there was a preposterous amount of deliberate poisoning, which I can't rule out given the source material, but probably would have been mentioned before now.

If Chicago's pipes decay like Flint's, that's another story, but that's pipes, not the lake.
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On that note, Romans had lead pipes but got lucky; Hard water deposits built up inside the pipes preventing lead poisoning.
 
Ralson said:
Lake Michigan water's safe to drink right now IRL, and it should be even cleaner in this setting, unless there was a preposterous amount of deliberate poisoning, which I can't rule out given the source material, but probably would have been mentioned before now.

If Chicago's pipes decay like Flint's, that's another story, but that's pipes, not the lake.
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If the Lake were poisoned, the City would be dead.
 
[X][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.

[x][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
-[x][GOV] Cave in on the healthcare issue. You are worried about the state of healthcare, to be honest, you were only worried about the cost.

Unions are important, but per Poptart we don't need to compromise on both (and I get the impression the wider party won't agree much), and of the two I prioritize healthcare work. Especially if Vaccines don't get picked for CP Plans.
 
[X][BOSS] The Old Guard: You have fought in parts of the world most Americans haven't even seen. You unit returned home in the wake of the Collapse, and you've been wandering the country ever since. You fought for the New American Confederation, Cascadia, and the Pacific Republic in turn. Your commanding officer died in California, and you took command. Your unit has been fighting the Victorians ever since, striking from the shadows and desperately keeping their weaponry maintained. You were young when your war started...now you're old. So damn old. But the fight's just kicking up. You're not done yet. You cleared the southern tip of the Lake of Victorian eyes. Time to get ready to strike a stronger blow against the bastards.

[ ][BOSS] The Last Echo: You were chosen as Secretary of State by a woman who had been Speaker of the House before those before her in the line of succession died in transit to a safe location amid the chaos of the Collapse. You were confirmed by the last Congress of the United States minutes later. You served your President for years before a Russian assassin killed her and most of her cabinet, and you took up her role. By the slimmest of technicalities and a lot of bluffing, you hold a position that grants you precedence in the eyes of many. You convinced Chicago to call the Congress; you presided. It has been years, and you have been hunted for all of them. You have no room left in your heart for nostalgia. This country is a broken thing. No matter how much it must change, you will see it fixed and better than before. And once you serve a country that deserves the pride of the United States, you will tear Alexander from his throne.

[X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
-[X][GOV] Cave in on the healthcare issue. You are worried about the state of healthcare, to be honest, you were only worried about the cost.
Adhoc vote count started by Corripere on Mar 21, 2019 at 9:50 PM, finished with 81 posts and 58 votes.
  • [X][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[x][GOV] Cave in on the healthcare issue. You are worried about the state of healthcare, to be honest, you were only worried about the cost.
    [x][BOSS] The Old Guard: You have fought in parts of the world most Americans haven't even seen. You unit returned home in the wake of the Collapse, and you've been wandering the country ever since. You fought for the New American Confederation, Cascadia, and the Pacific Republic in turn. Your commanding officer died in California, and you took command. Your unit has been fighting the Victorians ever since, striking from the shadows and desperately keeping their weaponry maintained. You were young when your war started...now you're old. So damn old. But the fight's just kicking up. You're not done yet. You cleared the southern tip of the Lake of Victorian eyes. Time to get ready to strike a stronger blow against the bastards.
    [X][BOSS] The Last Echo: You were chosen as Secretary of State by a woman who had been Speaker of the House before those before her in the line of succession died in transit to a safe location amid the chaos of the Collapse. You were confirmed by the last Congress of the United States minutes later. You served your President for years before a Russian assassin killed her and most of her cabinet, and you took up her role. By the slimmest of technicalities and a lot of bluffing, you hold a position that grants you precedence in the eyes of many. You convinced Chicago to call the Congress; you presided. It has been years, and you have been hunted for all of them. You have no room left in your heart for nostalgia. This country is a broken thing. No matter how much it must change, you will see it fixed and better than before. And once you serve a country that deserves the pride of the United States, you will tear Alexander from his throne.
    [x][BOSS] The Last Echo
    [X][BOSS] The Old Guard
    [X][BOSS] Local Hero
    [x][BOSS] Springfield Schemer: Illinois did not fall to the Nazis. The state government pulled through all of the chaos just fine...and when you came to the Governor's office, you made sure to keep an eye on things. When Chicago started pulling itself together, you were far-sighted enough to recognize the opportunity. You left for Chicago and put your political skills to work on trying to build something bigger than your own patch. A fair amount of people have taken your foresight for aggression, though. You will need to keep your eyes about you.
    [X][BOSS] The Last Echo: You were chosen as Secretary of State by a woman who had been Speaker of the House before those before her in the line of succession died in transit to a safe location amid the chaos of the Collapse. You were confirmed by the last Congress of the United States minutes later. You served your President for years before a Russian assassin killed her and most of her cabinet, and you took up her role. By the slimmest of technicalities and a lot of bluffing, you hold a position that grants you precedence in the eyes of many. You convinced Chicago to call the Congress; you presided. It has been years, and you have been hunted for all of them. You have no room left in your heart for nostalgia. This country is a broken thing. No matter how much it must change, you will see it fixed and better than before. And once you serve a country that deserves the pride of the United States, you will tear Alexander from his throne.
    -[X][GOV] Play the Socialists and the New Capitalists against each other in order to compromise on nothing. Roll a d100 with a DC of 70 to sell this to both parties; on a fail, one of them backs out. On a success, your government looks extremely competent.
    [x][BOSS] The Old Guard: You have fought in parts of the world most Americans haven't even seen. You unit returned home in the wake of the Collapse, and you've been wandering the country ever since. You fought for the New American Confederation, Cascadia, and the Pacific Republic in turn. Your commanding officer died in California, and you took command. Your unit has been fighting the Victorians ever since, striking from the shadows and desperately keeping their weaponry maintained. You were young when your war started...now you're old. So damn old. But the fight's just kicking up. You're not done yet. You cleared the southern tip of the Lake of Victorian eyes. Time to get ready to strike a stronger blow against the bastards.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.​

    -[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions. ​
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions.
    [X][GOV] Just to lock down the government completely, also invite the Capitalists. You are Social Democrats; the only people you don't like are Communists. Of course...the New Capitalists and the Socialists really don't like one another...
    -[X][GOV] Play the Socialists and the New Capitalists against each other in order to compromise on nothing. Roll a d100 with a DC of 70 to sell this to both parties; on a fail, one of them backs out. On a success, your government looks extremely competent.
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Adhoc vote count started by Corripere on Mar 21, 2019 at 9:58 PM, finished with 84 posts and 60 votes.
  • [X][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[x][GOV] Cave in on the healthcare issue. You are worried about the state of healthcare, to be honest, you were only worried about the cost.
    [x][BOSS] The Old Guard: You have fought in parts of the world most Americans haven't even seen. You unit returned home in the wake of the Collapse, and you've been wandering the country ever since. You fought for the New American Confederation, Cascadia, and the Pacific Republic in turn. Your commanding officer died in California, and you took command. Your unit has been fighting the Victorians ever since, striking from the shadows and desperately keeping their weaponry maintained. You were young when your war started...now you're old. So damn old. But the fight's just kicking up. You're not done yet. You cleared the southern tip of the Lake of Victorian eyes. Time to get ready to strike a stronger blow against the bastards.
    [X][BOSS] The Last Echo: You were chosen as Secretary of State by a woman who had been Speaker of the House before those before her in the line of succession died in transit to a safe location amid the chaos of the Collapse. You were confirmed by the last Congress of the United States minutes later. You served your President for years before a Russian assassin killed her and most of her cabinet, and you took up her role. By the slimmest of technicalities and a lot of bluffing, you hold a position that grants you precedence in the eyes of many. You convinced Chicago to call the Congress; you presided. It has been years, and you have been hunted for all of them. You have no room left in your heart for nostalgia. This country is a broken thing. No matter how much it must change, you will see it fixed and better than before. And once you serve a country that deserves the pride of the United States, you will tear Alexander from his throne.
    [x][BOSS] The Last Echo
    [X][BOSS] The Old Guard
    [X][BOSS] Local Hero
    [x][BOSS] Springfield Schemer: Illinois did not fall to the Nazis. The state government pulled through all of the chaos just fine...and when you came to the Governor's office, you made sure to keep an eye on things. When Chicago started pulling itself together, you were far-sighted enough to recognize the opportunity. You left for Chicago and put your political skills to work on trying to build something bigger than your own patch. A fair amount of people have taken your foresight for aggression, though. You will need to keep your eyes about you.
    [X][BOSS] The Last Echo: You were chosen as Secretary of State by a woman who had been Speaker of the House before those before her in the line of succession died in transit to a safe location amid the chaos of the Collapse. You were confirmed by the last Congress of the United States minutes later. You served your President for years before a Russian assassin killed her and most of her cabinet, and you took up her role. By the slimmest of technicalities and a lot of bluffing, you hold a position that grants you precedence in the eyes of many. You convinced Chicago to call the Congress; you presided. It has been years, and you have been hunted for all of them. You have no room left in your heart for nostalgia. This country is a broken thing. No matter how much it must change, you will see it fixed and better than before. And once you serve a country that deserves the pride of the United States, you will tear Alexander from his throne.
    -[X][GOV] Play the Socialists and the New Capitalists against each other in order to compromise on nothing. Roll a d100 with a DC of 70 to sell this to both parties; on a fail, one of them backs out. On a success, your government looks extremely competent.
    [x][BOSS] The Old Guard: You have fought in parts of the world most Americans haven't even seen. You unit returned home in the wake of the Collapse, and you've been wandering the country ever since. You fought for the New American Confederation, Cascadia, and the Pacific Republic in turn. Your commanding officer died in California, and you took command. Your unit has been fighting the Victorians ever since, striking from the shadows and desperately keeping their weaponry maintained. You were young when your war started...now you're old. So damn old. But the fight's just kicking up. You're not done yet. You cleared the southern tip of the Lake of Victorian eyes. Time to get ready to strike a stronger blow against the bastards.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.​

    -[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions. ​
    [X][BOSS] The Old Boss: The Daleys have been big names in Chicago since the '50s. The 1950s. A hundred and twenty years of political prominence will grind itself in. You're no different. Your family managed to hold onto its influence throughout the collapse, and you were the one to take charge of things afterward, leveraging various friendships you made during the bad years. Chicago's been on the outs too long. The Daleys will be the ones to bring it back.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions.
    [X][GOV] Just to lock down the government completely, also invite the Capitalists. You are Social Democrats; the only people you don't like are Communists. Of course...the New Capitalists and the Socialists really don't like one another...
    -[X][GOV] Play the Socialists and the New Capitalists against each other in order to compromise on nothing. Roll a d100 with a DC of 70 to sell this to both parties; on a fail, one of them backs out. On a success, your government looks extremely competent.
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Idea for the next phase: Take Efficient Bureaucracy (-3CP) and Disunited Currency (3 CP).

We'd give ourselves a problem, but use it to buy a tool ideal for fixing it, which is also useful for other things. (And downright necessary if we're going to grow)
 
[X][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.

[x][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
-[x][GOV] Cave in on the healthcare issue. You are worried about the state of healthcare, to be honest, you were only worried about the cost.
 
Pittauro said:
because it's the party that won, so it's the one we're playing. You have a point that not everyone voted Socdem though, so maybe the "we" is not exactly right.

Compromises are good, and i'm not against investing into healthcare (as i said before, i'm italian, we have (mostly) free healthcare here!), it's just that i think a compromise here would translate to locked actions, and i prefer to keep my choices open in case we have other emergencies.

I also like the "competent" repution we get if we pass the DC, while i do not mind the concessions we have to give if we fail (as i said i'm fine with healthcare, it would be my second choice, and while i'm not sure i'm ok with the strenghtened unions i could accept them.)

I'm basically trying to make my (the winning party's) interests, while actually doing nothing wrong/corrupt/immoral.
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Okay but the thing is, we're not playing the entire SocDem party, we're playing a singular leader figure - hence Poptart's insistence on a government structure which has one of those. This individual's actions will be constrained by whatever governing party or coalition controls the legislature, so by my understanding, the various compromise options simply alter the nature of the constraints in play rather than increasing their quantity or magnitude.

Furthermore, I am of the opinion that even if it constrains player choice somewhat, it is better to normalize compromise rather than an effective winner-take-all situation. Poptart will not hand us an unwinnable situation simply because we opted for a coalition government, and I am perfectly happy to make the game non-terminally harder in exchange for better outcomes (i.e. a system of government that functions well) - especially as said well-functioning may end up making things net easier for us in the long run.
 
[X][BOSS] The Old Boss: The Daleys have been big names in Chicago since the '50s. The 1950s. A hundred and twenty years of political prominence will grind itself in. You're no different. Your family managed to hold onto its influence throughout the collapse, and you were the one to take charge of things afterward, leveraging various friendships you made during the bad years. Chicago's been on the outs too long. The Daleys will be the ones to bring it back.
[X][BOSS] The Old Guard: You have fought in parts of the world most Americans haven't even seen. You unit returned home in the wake of the Collapse, and you've been wandering the country ever since. You fought for the New American Confederation, Cascadia, and the Pacific Republic in turn. Your commanding officer died in California, and you took command. Your unit has been fighting the Victorians ever since, striking from the shadows and desperately keeping their weaponry maintained. You were young when your war started...now you're old. So damn old. But the fight's just kicking up. You're not done yet. You cleared the southern tip of the Lake of Victorian eyes. Time to get ready to strike a stronger blow against the bastards.
[X][GOV] Just to lock down the government completely, also invite the Capitalists. You are Social Democrats; the only people you don't like are Communists. Of course...the New Capitalists and the Socialists really don't like one another...
-[X][GOV] Play the Socialists and the New Capitalists against each other in order to compromise on nothing. Roll a d100 with a DC of 70 to sell this to both parties; on a fail, one of them backs out. On a success, your government looks extremely competent.
 
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