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Having rail companies and merchants are excellent for long term growth, but we must have bureaucracy if we actually want to pay and implement any policies. The population and businesses must be taxed for government to exist.

Efficient Bureaucracy (-3 CP): Begin play with a proper census, established taxation structures, and all of the manifold other things that go on in the boring background of governance.
 
Only if you have the infrastructure to support them. Historically speaking the bedrock of every Industrial Revolution was usually lots of public investment in infrastructure projects. In the UK, France and the Rhineland that was canals. In the US it was a combination of canals (see the Eerie Canal) and lots of highly lucrative public land sale schemes designed to specifically facilitate the construction of railroad networks.
Yes, that's what we have taxation for.

Remember, Independent Merchants doesn't just mean there are merchants. Its specific mechanical effects are "Your starting income is 50% higher" and "you can always procure at least one of any trade good." I don't know if "railroad iron" or "locomotives" are trade goods, but they very well might be.* Guaranteed abliity to import what we need to make the trains run on time not unreasonably late would be a plus.

Likewise, higher starting budget will likely translate directly into greater ability to Get Shit Done on the infrastructure front. I don't know if you participated in Poptart's "Terminus Quest," but we had a lot of infrastructure development to do on Virmire, and the cost of doing so was taken out of a fixed turn-by-turn budget. A bigger budget meant we could get more ambitious projects done, and more quickly. I suspect this quest will be using similar mechanics, though strictly @PoptartProdigy has not confirmed this.

So in conclusion, I don't expect Independent Merchants to lead directly to a rail network without effort on our part. On the other hand, I do expect that independent merchants, acting via the existing river and lake trade routes (because you don't have to build rivers) plus surviving roads and a relative handful of rail links possibly, will help us find the income and resources to rebuild the railways... among many many other things, such as vaccinating our population against the predictable typhus and measles epidemics..
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*(Hell, maybe we could lay our hands on some Victorian locomotives and rails, they have a train fetish which is perhaps their sole redeeming characteristic. That, at least, they probably have fairly good specimens of)

In order: Strictly speaking, there's nothing stopping the Russians from having a cruise missile regiment in Victoria. However, I have reason to doubt that the Russians placed it there before the quest start: that kind of thing sounds like something somebody would remark on at some point or another, or be used during one the wars the Victorians got up to.
Perhaps. But I'm quite sure the Russians have a sizeable military base or two in Victoria, or at least an airbase or two from which they could launch long range strike aircraft against us.

They can't launch strategic bombers with cruise missiles for much the same reason as they can't launch nuclear missiles: launching any of those aircraft or missiles on an attack run is not distinguishable, to the Germans or Chinese, as an attack run against them; the Russian government can't justify it to the Germans or Chinese either because the German and Chinese response is going to be "so how about some solar imports?", so the Russians can't launch missiles or strategic nuclear bombers at us.
Uh... that's not how strategic bomber operations work.

Firstly, strategic bombers (like the Tu-95 and B-52) fly all the time, in peace as well as in war.

Secondly, it's very easy to use a radar set to track where strategic bombers are or aren't going, and it's easy to tell that bombers leaving Russia are heading up to the Arctic Circle to pay a visit to Victoria, not southeast towards Germany or southwest towards China.

The US has used its B-52 and B-1 bombers repeatedly in conventional wars since Vietnam and Iraq respectively, without any nuclear power challenging us. I doubt Russia will face any greater difficulties.

So I am quite sure that if Russia really wanted to, they could fire air-launched cruise missiles at us from heavy bombers with little more difficulty than the modern US would have doing so against targets in Afghanistan... except for any negative international repercussions of attacking us as such. Which are likely to be small given how obscure they are.

They can stage commando raids, but I feel like this belongs under "patsy invasion" category more than "direct invasion".

Assassination attempts might involve special forces, granted.
I mainly point this out because the ability of our soldiers to defend themselves may become relevant in ways not immediately obvious.

It's not just international reputation; it's being able to deliver the nuke that's also problematic. None of their delivery methods can really be used without triggering - fuck I forgot about the nuclear submarines.
An air launched cruise missile, strategic bomber, or land-launched short range ballistic missile are both viable options for nuclear delivery, too.

Or they could just strap a nuclear bomb to the belly of a MiG and fly it to us and drop it on our heads; I doubt we have an air defense system capable of stopping them.

Well. Here's to hoping that Russia will decide a nuke is too much effort and bad PR.
Agreed. The point is, it's not actually going to be harder for them to do that than it would be for the US military to, say, nuke Pyongyang. We totally COULD, we most certainly have forces in the general area that could deliver the munition. It's just that we DON'T, because hoo boy would that make everyone in the world furious and there's literally no good reason to do it.

As I said, I was planning on using actions to make up that deficit, and trying to buy with CP what we can't buy in-game no matter how much we want to, stuff like Libraries and Universities, while using Actions to build up a Brown-Water Navy and Rail Companies, for example.
I in general support this logic, but if we take the principle too far we may find ourselves crippled by the need to spend years of early-game effort digging ourselves out of the giant pit our Penalties trap us in.

The real issue is that I took Incompetent Military to pay for either Libraries or Universities; I don't know how strongly we're still insisting on those, but if you put a gun to my head and told me to choose I think I'd end up choosing libraries, because there's a chance we could still end up recruiting experts one way or another anyway.
Also, Libraries is a prerequisite for Universities, so you don't actually get to choose. :p

That being said, I'm interested in how I could make this less min-maxy; would you have any suggestions?
I'd start by sacrificing Widespread Vaccinations. I want it, but our ability to buy it is heavily predicated on having CP to burn. I would then sacrifice Population Boom, because that is a malus you cunningly accepted to gain +2 CP which then necessitated you to spend 3 CP on a bonus to cancel out part of its bad consequences. :p

Dropping Widespread Vaccinations and Population Boom puts me at +1 CP relative to your plan, so if I can shake loose one more, I can also drop Incompetent Military.

I suggest we simply take a different malus, like Import/Export Professionals. Which is admittedly problematic in the long run and creates a security weakness, but we can sic our 'good security' on them. Or Crossed Wires, which is guaranteed to fuck us over badly at some point, but then again, we'd be foolishly optimistic to imagine that the consequences of Incompetent Military won't fuck us over somehow too.

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If you want to do something really interesting, we can pick up The Greatest Sin, since there would already be a reason for the enemy to send assassins to kill our officials anyway if we take The Last Echo, and a murder investigation is always fun.

(I'm partly joking, but it might actually be interesting, in that it discourages us from relying overmuch on any one person. This might actually not be such a hot idea with a Marsden start, I guess, because in that case we're getting legitimacy specifically from her personally and she's the obvious target of any assassins. On the other hand, Marsden is pretty old, and won't last forever herself, either).
 
Having rail companies and merchants are excellent for long term growth, but we must have bureaucracy if we actually want to pay and implement any policies. The population and businesses must be taxed for government to exist.


Merchants it's actually also good SHORT term.

Independent Merchants (-2 CP): Few things have been as constant throughout history as trade, and even the Collapse has not fully put paid to that. In addition to your (default) state food purchases meant to feed your population, Chicago is the unofficial hub of a network of independent trading captains, plying what they can of the waterways. It is small, and it is fragile, but it is there. Commerce has not stopped entirely; your income is 50% higher at game start, and while many things are expensive, you can procure at least one of any kind of trade good.
 
What about having rail, merchants, and efficient bureaucracy?

> : V

Something like this, maybe?

[] Plan Gimme Eco
-[] Brown-Water Navy (-2 CP)
-[] Established (-2 CP)
-[] Independent Merchants (-2 CP)
-[] Rail Companies (-2 CP)
-[] Efficient Bureaucracy (-3 CP)
-[] Population Boom (2 CP)
-[] Disunited Currency (3 CP)
-[] Total: Gain 5 CP Spend 11 CP

The more I make these plans, the more I favor Local Hero. Customization is so much easier with 6 free points than it is with 4 points and an extra disadvantage...
Also, Libraries is a prerequisite for Universities, so you don't actually get to choose. :p

You might want to double check that. The only option that has a prerequisite is the Widespread Vaccinations.
 
Something like this, maybe?

[] Plan Gimme Eco
-[] Brown-Water Navy (-2 CP)
-[] Established (-2 CP)
-[] Independent Merchants (-2 CP)
-[] Rail Companies (-2 CP)
-[] Efficient Bureaucracy (-3 CP)
-[] Population Boom (2 CP)
-[] Disunited Currency (3 CP)
-[] Total: Gain 5 CP Spend 11 CP

The more I make these plans, the more I favor Local Hero. Customization is so much easier with 6 free points than it is with 4 points and an extra disadvantage...


You might want to double check that. The only option that has a prerequisite is the Widespread Vaccinations.

Sara Johnson (+6cp)
I just like having her, plus having that extra CPs is great.

Brown-Water Navy (-2 CP):
Obvious take to take. It also works with logistics, and railways in order to give us control over movement and everything that isn't direct fighting.

Professionals Study Logistics (-3 CP):
This is, I think the hardest to build organically. Even worthless troops become veterans if they fight enough and this will buy us time to absorb defeats and get that fighting done.

Incompetent Military (2 CP):
Aside from the fact that I think this is what we'd be faced with, it's easier to build them up on wider skeleton and growing economy than to have an elite force slowly being attrited to death with nothing behind it.

Independent Merchants (-2 CP):
BUTTER.

Rail Companies (-2 CP):
BUTTER.
Independent Merchants x Rail=EXTRA BUTTER. + BETTER LOGISTICS + BETTER MILITARY MOVEMENT.

Efficient Bureaucracy (-3 CP):
The benefits of having an effective state apparatus pays for itself, especially right now at the start. Know what we have and how to marshal it is both not just for butter, but to back up our logistics trail and recruitment efforts. It's much more likely to be less heavyhanded than an adhoc arraignment too.

Disunited Currency (3 CP):
A one time issue, one that is easier to deal with the efficient bureaucracy that it pays for. Obviously it doesn't completely cancel it out, but the bureaucracy does give us the tools to resolve the situation.

Libraries (-2 CP):
YES. LIBRARIES.

Universities (-2 CP):
Good. Yes. Knowledge

Revivalist Connections (-1 CP):
Diplomatic ties to help make up for our initial military weakness.

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Didn't take Established because it boils down to an action malus at the start if we don't take it, and it pays for stuff that's really only easily possible now.

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Now the plan is that we use military expansion and instead use economic and diplomatic might to begin bringing our neighbours into our influence. Then militarily use the framework to build up our scattered militia into something good. Honestly the First American Republic started out from the same place, and we aren't in a war with a global superpower from moment one, and we'd have a strong economy and economics to back it up.

The only exception being the Riverine Force which is critical to securing attack routes on us and preserving our trade.

Hopefully having secure routes of travel along rails and rivers will greatly help our independant merchants to work efficiently and the bureaucracy can take our taxes from them without a great deal of stress and heavyhandedness
 
The more I make these plans, the more I favor Local Hero. Customization is so much easier with 6 free points than it is with 4 points and an extra disadvantage...
Well, Old Guard works great if we want a military-heavy strategy and plan around that basis, because with Burns we get 5 points worth of advantages we'd arguably want to buy anyway, and a 2-point disadvantage that we'll be well positioned to deal with (seriously, none of the other "mixed bag" candidates give us maluses that are directly countered by their own bonuses).

And Springfield Schemer actually works pretty well, in that Hostile Neighborhood is a relatively minor disadvantage and we get a big pile of intelligence-related advantages to offset... just not the ones most of us seem to want most. We may be overlooking the advantage of information and intelligence.

Last Echo isn't bad either, in that while we really are hard up for customization points, a LOT of the stuff we get for free is exactly the kind of things we'd normally be spending the CP on.

You might want to double check that. The only option that has a prerequisite is the Widespread Vaccinations.
@PoptartProdigy , I could have SWORN that Universities had Libraries as a prerequisite. Was that true a few days ago and it just changed?

Sara Johnson (+6cp)
I just like having her, plus having that extra CPs is great.

Incompetent Military (2 CP):
I am deeply hesitant about Incompetent Military.

On the other hand, my headcanon is that if we take Local Hero and Professionals Study Logistics, then Sara Johnson ran the Chicago Quartermaster Corps during the War on Nazis, and Sara Goldblum ran a Wisconsin-native guerilla force that gradually went regular as it made contact with Chicago forces. And now the Quartermaster Corps is literally the only thing in the Chicago Army that functions properly,* with Goldblum's old Iron Brigade having presumably fallen apart or been scattered, and Goldblum is like AAAAAAH and Johnson is all like SHRUG and the interplay between them would be fucking hilarious.

So... maybe. Maybe.
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*The Chicago Navy is another matter, but that is its own thing.
 
@AKuz You're spending 17 CP but only have 11 total CP to spend. (The extra 6 CP I used in my plans came from Sara Johnson, which I shoulda made more clear.) I do think Professional Study Logistics is better than Established, but personally I like the narrative that the convention was enough of a success that we don't need to spend a year or two's worth of actions finalizing it. That said, it's a good swap, if one that needs an extra point of disadvantage to pay for.
 
@AKuz You're spending 17 CP but only have 11 total CP to spend. (The extra 6 CP I used in my plans came from Sara Johnson, which I shoulda made more clear.) I do think Professional Study Logistics is better than Established, but personally I like the narrative that the convention was enough of a success that we don't need to spend a year or two's worth of actions finalizing it. That said, it's a good swap, if one that needs an extra point of disadvantage to pay for.

Whoops, I originally had crossed wires because I think with Universities and Libraries we would have the tools to deal with it, and I guess I fucked up my math when I rejiggered it.
 
If we don't take either of the attention flaws, that's more turns to prepare. And with that we might be able to fix any other flaws we take before we get noticed. Hopefully
 
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Bit frustrating how Libraries (-2CP), Efficient Bureaucracy (-3CP), Widespread Vaccinations(-3CP) and Rail Companies(-2CP) all feel absolutely mandatory and foundational for a functional, barebones, pseudo-modern state, because that's 10 freaking points, without anything unique or flavorful or short-term powerful.

Guess this is why everything's broken. :V

However, if I had to pick just one, it'd be Libraries. A store of knowledge and a literate population could let you build most of the other advantages, with enough time. It feels like that advantage must be only 2CP because it's so mandatory, not because it's only worth 2CP.
 
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Hm. Going to split thoughts into 2 posts....

@PoptartProdigy :
1.) What, exactly, are the SDs "compromising" on Unions and Healthcare with the S's? Is it the degree of investment and/or power, rather than the fact that they exist? Is it the control of the government vs the market?
2.) Is it possible to "compromise" on both?
3.) Is it possible to do a full compromise on 1 and a partial on the other?
4.) Are there any specific policy items we could compromise with the NC on?
5.) Are there any items (beyond "build a nation" and "fuck Victoria and the Russians") we could emphasize as consensus points for the NC, SD, and S groups? And the C's, too, I guess. :p

PS You have my full permission to use John Franklin. I'll try to start putting up more than just that profile, to help flesh him out a bit.
  1. Making healthcare a policy priority now, as opposed to leaving it for less lean times. Giving socialists the uber-unions they want.
  2. On both unions and healthcare? No, not really; the SDs don't feel the need to concede that much, and they're right that they needn't.
  3. Yes, but again, you needn't and the SD thus won't.
  4. In general, holding back some reforms on the SD agenda are bargaining points with the NC.
  5. Well, generally the NC agenda is shared by all groups as the bare minimum, but there's a fairly wide gulf.
I'm also liking the idea of Local Hero. Some remnant of the old government may actually be more trouble than it's worth, especially for people who may (for good reason) have problems with the old government and Local Hero strikes me as much more inspiring.

Plus, ya know, it's pretty George Washington but a younger woman that punched Nazis instead of redcoats.
She's in her late fifties.
Again, I think that the best solution to the Imperial Presidency while still maintaining a competent administrative executive branch is to establish a Federal Council ala Switerland that collectively serves as head of state. As its role is more administrative, it's okay to have it be selected by Congress instead of directly voted upon by the people, though political parties can pledge to appoint certain people to the Federal Council.
I want a PC to characterize. No.
Got a character, @PoptartProdigy !

Name: Alberto Zamora

Description: Alberto (alternately known as "Al" or "Bert") was born in the aftermath of the fall and has grown up in a world where he hasn't known the old United States, except in stories passed down by his parents and grandparents and the older members of the community, as well as what few written histories have been preserved in the Chicago environs. The chaos and utter destruction and, at times, grinding poverty of the world around him have affected him deeply and instilled him a desire to build and to create, especially now that the greater Chicago area is beginning to recover and rebuild itself. He worked as a carpenter for a time before apprenticing to an architect and designer and currently works in both trades, as an independent designer for buildings and as a member of a local carpenter's union (he does lean more on the design side these days). He is thirty-six and a relatively prominent "small business" owner and is serving as a representative for his branch of the carpenter's union. He is currently considering going into politics. He is fluent in Spanish, which his parents spoke while he was growing up.

Political Affiliation: Left Soc Dem/Socialist; Alberto has broadly liberal tendencies and believes strongly in the power of the government and a people to do good. He is broadly sympathetic to the socialist positions as well, but walks the line between the two parties, not quite sure where to throw his hat in the ring. He mostly wants to do right by his community and ensure that there is fairness and equality for all and to ensure that the poverty and chaos he witnessed growing up does not return.
Taken!
I'm not going to be sure it's that simple unless @PoptartProdigy explicitly confirms that the "Hostile Neighborhood" option refers specifically to our neighbors being predisposed to gang up on us over military expansion, rather than also putting us on Harder Mode when it comes to diplomacy with those factions.
Mainly military, but sufficiently aggressive or hostile diplomatic expansion could prompt similar panic.
@PoptartProdigy

Actually, it occurs to me, do we have a rough timeline of events in terms of what year things happened in? It would help contextualize, for example, how old someone would have to be to have clear memories of pre-Collapse America, or how old a hero of the war against the Wisconsin Nazis would have to be.
I need to add dates to the timeline, but it is 2073 now.
Likewise, higher starting budget will likely translate directly into greater ability to Get Shit Done on the infrastructure front. I don't know if you participated in Poptart's "Terminus Quest," but we had a lot of infrastructure development to do on Virmire, and the cost of doing so was taken out of a fixed turn-by-turn budget. A bigger budget meant we could get more ambitious projects done, and more quickly. I suspect this quest will be using similar mechanics, though strictly @PoptartProdigy has not confirmed this.
Similar in concept, but I'm doing a different system.
I could have SWORN that Universities had Libraries as a prerequisite. Was that true a few days ago and it just changed?
Nope.
 
[x][BOSS] The Last Echo
[X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
-[x][GOV] Cave in on the healthcare issue. You are worried about the state of healthcare, to be honest, you were only worried about the cost.

Healthcare because that makes people productive and Echo because spite.

Edit: Plucky mid-50 teenager choice. :V
[X][BOSS] Local Hero
 
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[X][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.

[X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
-[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions.

[X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
-[x][GOV] Cave in on the healthcare issue. You are worried about the state of healthcare, to be honest, you were only worried about the cost.
Adhoc vote count started by Rat King on Mar 21, 2019 at 6:41 PM, finished with 3380 posts and 15 votes.

  • [x][BOSS] The Last Echo
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[x][GOV] Cave in on the healthcare issue. You are worried about the state of healthcare, to be honest, you were only worried about the cost.
    [X][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[x][GOV] Cave in on the healthcare issue. You are worried about the state of healthcare, to be honest, you were only worried about the cost.
    [X][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions.
    [X][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions.
    [X][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions.
    [X][BOSS] The Last Echo: You were chosen as Secretary of State by a woman who had been Speaker of the House before those before her in the line of succession died in transit to a safe location amid the chaos of the Collapse. You were confirmed by the last Congress of the United States minutes later. You served your President for years before a Russian assassin killed her and most of her cabinet, and you took up her role. By the slimmest of technicalities and a lot of bluffing, you hold a position that grants you precedence in the eyes of many. You convinced Chicago to call the Congress; you presided. It has been years, and you have been hunted for all of them. You have no room left in your heart for nostalgia. This country is a broken thing. No matter how much it must change, you will see it fixed and better than before. And once you serve a country that deserves the pride of the United States, you will tear Alexander from his throne.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions.
    [X][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions.
    [X][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions.
    [X][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[x][GOV] Cave in on the healthcare issue. You are worried about the state of healthcare, to be honest, you were only worried about the cost.
    [x][BOSS] The Old Guard: You have fought in parts of the world most Americans haven't even seen. You unit returned home in the wake of the Collapse, and you've been wandering the country ever since. You fought for the New American Confederation, Cascadia, and the Pacific Republic in turn. Your commanding officer died in California, and you took command. Your unit has been fighting the Victorians ever since, striking from the shadows and desperately keeping their weaponry maintained. You were young when your war started...now you're old. So damn old. But the fight's just kicking up. You're not done yet. You cleared the southern tip of the Lake of Victorian eyes. Time to get ready to strike a stronger blow against the bastards.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[x][GOV] Cave in on the healthcare issue. You are worried about the state of healthcare, to be honest, you were only worried about the cost.
    [X][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[x][GOV] Cave in on the healthcare issue. You are worried about the state of healthcare, to be honest, you were only worried about the cost.
    [X][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions.
    [x][BOSS] The Old Guard: You have fought in parts of the world most Americans haven't even seen. You unit returned home in the wake of the Collapse, and you've been wandering the country ever since. You fought for the New American Confederation, Cascadia, and the Pacific Republic in turn. Your commanding officer died in California, and you took command. Your unit has been fighting the Victorians ever since, striking from the shadows and desperately keeping their weaponry maintained. You were young when your war started...now you're old. So damn old. But the fight's just kicking up. You're not done yet. You cleared the southern tip of the Lake of Victorian eyes. Time to get ready to strike a stronger blow against the bastards.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[x][GOV] Cave in on the healthcare issue. You are worried about the state of healthcare, to be honest, you were only worried about the cost.
    [x][BOSS] The Last Echo
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[x][GOV] Cave in on the healthcare issue. You are worried about the state of healthcare, to be honest, you were only worried about the cost.
    [x][BOSS] The Old Guard: You have fought in parts of the world most Americans haven't even seen. You unit returned home in the wake of the Collapse, and you've been wandering the country ever since. You fought for the New American Confederation, Cascadia, and the Pacific Republic in turn. Your commanding officer died in California, and you took command. Your unit has been fighting the Victorians ever since, striking from the shadows and desperately keeping their weaponry maintained. You were young when your war started...now you're old. So damn old. But the fight's just kicking up. You're not done yet. You cleared the southern tip of the Lake of Victorian eyes. Time to get ready to strike a stronger blow against the bastards.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[x][GOV] Cave in on the healthcare issue. You are worried about the state of healthcare, to be honest, you were only worried about the cost.

Adhoc vote count started by Rat King on Mar 21, 2019 at 6:41 PM, finished with 3380 posts and 15 votes.

  • [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions.
    [X][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.
    -[x][GOV] Cave in on the healthcare issue. You are worried about the state of healthcare, to be honest, you were only worried about the cost.
    [x][BOSS] The Old Guard: You have fought in parts of the world most Americans haven't even seen. You unit returned home in the wake of the Collapse, and you've been wandering the country ever since. You fought for the New American Confederation, Cascadia, and the Pacific Republic in turn. Your commanding officer died in California, and you took command. Your unit has been fighting the Victorians ever since, striking from the shadows and desperately keeping their weaponry maintained. You were young when your war started...now you're old. So damn old. But the fight's just kicking up. You're not done yet. You cleared the southern tip of the Lake of Victorian eyes. Time to get ready to strike a stronger blow against the bastards.
    [x][BOSS] The Last Echo

Adhoc vote count started by Rat King on Mar 21, 2019 at 6:52 PM, finished with 3386 posts and 21 votes.

  • [X][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions.
    [x][BOSS] The Last Echo
    [x][BOSS] The Old Guard: You have fought in parts of the world most Americans haven't even seen. You unit returned home in the wake of the Collapse, and you've been wandering the country ever since. You fought for the New American Confederation, Cascadia, and the Pacific Republic in turn. Your commanding officer died in California, and you took command. Your unit has been fighting the Victorians ever since, striking from the shadows and desperately keeping their weaponry maintained. You were young when your war started...now you're old. So damn old. But the fight's just kicking up. You're not done yet. You cleared the southern tip of the Lake of Victorian eyes. Time to get ready to strike a stronger blow against the bastards.
    [X][BOSS] The Last Echo: You were chosen as Secretary of State by a woman who had been Speaker of the House before those before her in the line of succession died in transit to a safe location amid the chaos of the Collapse. You were confirmed by the last Congress of the United States minutes later. You served your President for years before a Russian assassin killed her and most of her cabinet, and you took up her role. By the slimmest of technicalities and a lot of bluffing, you hold a position that grants you precedence in the eyes of many. You convinced Chicago to call the Congress; you presided. It has been years, and you have been hunted for all of them. You have no room left in your heart for nostalgia. This country is a broken thing. No matter how much it must change, you will see it fixed and better than before. And once you serve a country that deserves the pride of the United States, you will tear Alexander from his throne.
    [X][BOSS] Local Hero
    [X][BOSS] The Old Guard
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[x][GOV] Cave in on the healthcare issue. You are worried about the state of healthcare, to be honest, you were only worried about the cost.

Adhoc vote count started by Rat King on Mar 21, 2019 at 6:59 PM, finished with 3392 posts and 27 votes.

  • [X][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[x][GOV] Cave in on the healthcare issue. You are worried about the state of healthcare, to be honest, you were only worried about the cost.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions.
    [X][BOSS] The Last Echo: You were chosen as Secretary of State by a woman who had been Speaker of the House before those before her in the line of succession died in transit to a safe location amid the chaos of the Collapse. You were confirmed by the last Congress of the United States minutes later. You served your President for years before a Russian assassin killed her and most of her cabinet, and you took up her role. By the slimmest of technicalities and a lot of bluffing, you hold a position that grants you precedence in the eyes of many. You convinced Chicago to call the Congress; you presided. It has been years, and you have been hunted for all of them. You have no room left in your heart for nostalgia. This country is a broken thing. No matter how much it must change, you will see it fixed and better than before. And once you serve a country that deserves the pride of the United States, you will tear Alexander from his throne.
    [x][BOSS] The Old Guard: You have fought in parts of the world most Americans haven't even seen. You unit returned home in the wake of the Collapse, and you've been wandering the country ever since. You fought for the New American Confederation, Cascadia, and the Pacific Republic in turn. Your commanding officer died in California, and you took command. Your unit has been fighting the Victorians ever since, striking from the shadows and desperately keeping their weaponry maintained. You were young when your war started...now you're old. So damn old. But the fight's just kicking up. You're not done yet. You cleared the southern tip of the Lake of Victorian eyes. Time to get ready to strike a stronger blow against the bastards.
    [X][GOV] Just to lock down the government completely, also invite the Capitalists. You are Social Democrats; the only people you don't like are Communists. Of course...the New Capitalists and the Socialists really don't like one another...
    -[X][GOV] Play the Socialists and the New Capitalists against each other in order to compromise on nothing. Roll a d100 with a DC of 70 to sell this to both parties; on a fail, one of them backs out. On a success, your government looks extremely competent.

Adhoc vote count started by Rat King on Mar 21, 2019 at 7:01 PM, finished with 3394 posts and 29 votes.

  • [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[x][GOV] Cave in on the healthcare issue. You are worried about the state of healthcare, to be honest, you were only worried about the cost.
    [X][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions.
    [x][BOSS] The Old Guard: You have fought in parts of the world most Americans haven't even seen. You unit returned home in the wake of the Collapse, and you've been wandering the country ever since. You fought for the New American Confederation, Cascadia, and the Pacific Republic in turn. Your commanding officer died in California, and you took command. Your unit has been fighting the Victorians ever since, striking from the shadows and desperately keeping their weaponry maintained. You were young when your war started...now you're old. So damn old. But the fight's just kicking up. You're not done yet. You cleared the southern tip of the Lake of Victorian eyes. Time to get ready to strike a stronger blow against the bastards.
    [X][BOSS] The Last Echo: You were chosen as Secretary of State by a woman who had been Speaker of the House before those before her in the line of succession died in transit to a safe location amid the chaos of the Collapse. You were confirmed by the last Congress of the United States minutes later. You served your President for years before a Russian assassin killed her and most of her cabinet, and you took up her role. By the slimmest of technicalities and a lot of bluffing, you hold a position that grants you precedence in the eyes of many. You convinced Chicago to call the Congress; you presided. It has been years, and you have been hunted for all of them. You have no room left in your heart for nostalgia. This country is a broken thing. No matter how much it must change, you will see it fixed and better than before. And once you serve a country that deserves the pride of the United States, you will tear Alexander from his throne.
    [X][GOV] Just to lock down the government completely, also invite the Capitalists. You are Social Democrats; the only people you don't like are Communists. Of course...the New Capitalists and the Socialists really don't like one another...
    -[X][GOV] Play the Socialists and the New Capitalists against each other in order to compromise on nothing. Roll a d100 with a DC of 70 to sell this to both parties; on a fail, one of them backs out. On a success, your government looks extremely competent.

Adhoc vote count started by Rat King on Mar 21, 2019 at 7:04 PM, finished with 3397 posts and 32 votes.

  • [X][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[x][GOV] Cave in on the healthcare issue. You are worried about the state of healthcare, to be honest, you were only worried about the cost.
    [x][BOSS] The Old Guard: You have fought in parts of the world most Americans haven't even seen. You unit returned home in the wake of the Collapse, and you've been wandering the country ever since. You fought for the New American Confederation, Cascadia, and the Pacific Republic in turn. Your commanding officer died in California, and you took command. Your unit has been fighting the Victorians ever since, striking from the shadows and desperately keeping their weaponry maintained. You were young when your war started...now you're old. So damn old. But the fight's just kicking up. You're not done yet. You cleared the southern tip of the Lake of Victorian eyes. Time to get ready to strike a stronger blow against the bastards.
    [x][BOSS] The Last Echo
    [X][BOSS] The Last Echo: You were chosen as Secretary of State by a woman who had been Speaker of the House before those before her in the line of succession died in transit to a safe location amid the chaos of the Collapse. You were confirmed by the last Congress of the United States minutes later. You served your President for years before a Russian assassin killed her and most of her cabinet, and you took up her role. By the slimmest of technicalities and a lot of bluffing, you hold a position that grants you precedence in the eyes of many. You convinced Chicago to call the Congress; you presided. It has been years, and you have been hunted for all of them. You have no room left in your heart for nostalgia. This country is a broken thing. No matter how much it must change, you will see it fixed and better than before. And once you serve a country that deserves the pride of the United States, you will tear Alexander from his throne.
    [X][BOSS] Local Hero
    [X][BOSS] The Old Guard
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions.
    [X][GOV] Just to lock down the government completely, also invite the Capitalists. You are Social Democrats; the only people you don't like are Communists. Of course...the New Capitalists and the Socialists really don't like one another...
    -[X][GOV] Play the Socialists and the New Capitalists against each other in order to compromise on nothing. Roll a d100 with a DC of 70 to sell this to both parties; on a fail, one of them backs out. On a success, your government looks extremely competent.

Adhoc vote count started by Rat King on Mar 21, 2019 at 7:05 PM, finished with 3397 posts and 32 votes.

  • [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[x][GOV] Cave in on the healthcare issue. You are worried about the state of healthcare, to be honest, you were only worried about the cost.
    [X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
    -[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions.
    [X][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.
    [x][BOSS] The Old Guard: You have fought in parts of the world most Americans haven't even seen. You unit returned home in the wake of the Collapse, and you've been wandering the country ever since. You fought for the New American Confederation, Cascadia, and the Pacific Republic in turn. Your commanding officer died in California, and you took command. Your unit has been fighting the Victorians ever since, striking from the shadows and desperately keeping their weaponry maintained. You were young when your war started...now you're old. So damn old. But the fight's just kicking up. You're not done yet. You cleared the southern tip of the Lake of Victorian eyes. Time to get ready to strike a stronger blow against the bastards.
    [X][BOSS] The Last Echo: You were chosen as Secretary of State by a woman who had been Speaker of the House before those before her in the line of succession died in transit to a safe location amid the chaos of the Collapse. You were confirmed by the last Congress of the United States minutes later. You served your President for years before a Russian assassin killed her and most of her cabinet, and you took up her role. By the slimmest of technicalities and a lot of bluffing, you hold a position that grants you precedence in the eyes of many. You convinced Chicago to call the Congress; you presided. It has been years, and you have been hunted for all of them. You have no room left in your heart for nostalgia. This country is a broken thing. No matter how much it must change, you will see it fixed and better than before. And once you serve a country that deserves the pride of the United States, you will tear Alexander from his throne.
    [X][GOV] Just to lock down the government completely, also invite the Capitalists. You are Social Democrats; the only people you don't like are Communists. Of course...the New Capitalists and the Socialists really don't like one another...
    -[X][GOV] Play the Socialists and the New Capitalists against each other in order to compromise on nothing. Roll a d100 with a DC of 70 to sell this to both parties; on a fail, one of them backs out. On a success, your government looks extremely competent.
 
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[x][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.
[x][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
-[x][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions.
 
[x][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.
[x][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
-[x][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions.
 
[X][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.

[X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
-[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions.
 
[X][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.

[X][BOSS] The Last Echo: You were chosen as Secretary of State by a woman who had been Speaker of the House before those before her in the line of succession died in transit to a safe location amid the chaos of the Collapse. You were confirmed by the last Congress of the United States minutes later. You served your President for years before a Russian assassin killed her and most of her cabinet, and you took up her role. By the slimmest of technicalities and a lot of bluffing, you hold a position that grants you precedence in the eyes of many. You convinced Chicago to call the Congress; you presided. It has been years, and you have been hunted for all of them. You have no room left in your heart for nostalgia. This country is a broken thing. No matter how much it must change, you will see it fixed and better than before. And once you serve a country that deserves the pride of the United States, you will tear Alexander from his throne.

[X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
-[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions.
 
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[X][BOSS] Local Hero: You first came to prominence as a young woman during the neo-Nazi occupation of the northern Midwest. You fought back against them, helped to throw them out, and presided over the slow emptying of Chicago in the aftermath. Since then you've been managing the city and keeping it on life support. You've slowly built things back up and forged a new state around your home. You will see things fixed once more. You will ensure that your home never again knows the terror of being at a monster's mercy. You will do what is necessary, to the shores of Maine if you must.

[X][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
-[X][GOV] Cave in on the unions issue. You're a little leery of granting them that much power, but it's not like there's no need for strong unions.
 
[x][BOSS] The Old Guard: You have fought in parts of the world most Americans haven't even seen. You unit returned home in the wake of the Collapse, and you've been wandering the country ever since. You fought for the New American Confederation, Cascadia, and the Pacific Republic in turn. Your commanding officer died in California, and you took command. Your unit has been fighting the Victorians ever since, striking from the shadows and desperately keeping their weaponry maintained. You were young when your war started...now you're old. So damn old. But the fight's just kicking up. You're not done yet. You cleared the southern tip of the Lake of Victorian eyes. Time to get ready to strike a stronger blow against the bastards.
[x][GOV] Form a coalition with the Socialists. Together with them, you will dominate the government.
-[x][GOV] Cave in on the healthcare issue. You are worried about the state of healthcare, to be honest, you were only worried about the cost.
 
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