Guys, why in the Dark Area are you deciding to berserk right now? The point of this entire mission is to rescue Unimon. Not indulge ourselves! Seriously, the wrath vs wrath vote is stupid. It may not be a trap, but it's certainly the least useful of our options right now.
Adhoc vote count started by TempestK on Feb 25, 2019 at 12:14 AM, finished with 35 posts and 9 votes.

  • [X] You will match this creature of wrath with anger of your own, an equal contest. Heavy claws become light.
    [X] So much as you want to give in, this is a situation where you should defer to Pit and Darcmon. Get ready to block it's assault and weather the incoming storm.
    [X] This feral creature, you will face it down through discipline. As a martial artist and protector. The time has come to pull on desire.
    [x] All of the fighting will have been for nothing if Unimon is not saved. Prioritize his healing and safety above defeating this opponent.
 
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Guys, why in the Dark Area are you deciding to berserk right now? The point of this entire mission is to rescue Unimon. Not indulge ourselves! Seriously, the wrath vs wrath vote is stupid. It may not be a trap, but it's certainly the least useful of our options right now.
Because for a good portion of us making sure that he remains safe means distracting the angry Ultimate so it doesn't blast the poor guy.

It's currently targeted at us so getting to close to Unimon has a good chance of making him collateral.
 
Because for a good portion of us making sure that he remains safe means distracting the angry Ultimate so it doesn't blast the poor guy.

It's currently targeted at us so getting to close to Unimon has a good chance of making him collateral.
Basically this yeah. Kind of hard to ignore something as big as Verge when it's trying to super maul you, aggro strats yo.

Also the fact if we do get most of it's aggro that gives the others more space and freedom for them to do their own actions.

Plus nice bonus of utilizing Fury on our terms instead of it being triggered.
 
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[X] You will match this creature of wrath with anger of your own, an equal contest. Heavy claws become light.

Feels like we haven't had a rage moment in a long time...

Also it's the only thing that I can think of that gives us a chance at surviving being within arms reach of an enraged Kimeramon.

That being said....

 
[X] This feral creature, you will face it down through discipline. As a martial artist and protector. The time has come to pull on desire.
 
Hmm, to perhaps expound on the votes a bit more...

The wrath option will have Verge go on the offence against Chimairamon, mostly abandoning defense so he can just hit it as much as possible. Sure with his claws he'll deal a lot of damage and his innate skill won't be abandoned, but with this he'll end up the most damage. Especially since he won't be using any spells.

Next up fighting it as a martial artist and protector is basically Verge fighting normally. A mainly defensive, counter-attacking style. With the bonus of using spells such as healing and Hasten Burst. It also happens to coincide with that claw-thing from a while back, as Verge will be giving into his desire to fight.

The third option consists of Verge starting purely on the defensive, so expect a lot of blocking and the use of Frame Reinforce. Then his next actions will change depending on how Pit and Darcmon react.

Lastly we have the option to prioritize Unimon. Which essentially means Verge splitting his attention* away from the fight to make sure the sergeant gets out safely. This is the most dangerous option to Verge personally and if Chimairamon is targeting Verge, then trying to get closer to Unimon might theoretically end up with the inverse effect.

With all that in mins it's probably a good idea to remember that the other squad members have their own angency.

Sparks is going to back Verge up no matter what, though unless he uses Burst, his attacks aren't going to do much.

Pit has finished his bout of *righteous* anger so he's probably going to focus on support for th next few seconds.

Beat as stated before is dragging Unimon to safety and he's actually faster than Verge.

Darcmon flew down to the ground, away from Chimairamon and is currently having an "Oh fuck" moment. Chimairamon are monsters even by the standards of most digimon. Though since this is a fresh one of the ultimate level, she thinks the squad may have a chance.

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Can we trade that for a Courage?
Verge would have to ask Magnamon to find out.
Injured during the battle, but he SHOULD have been able to load his opponent?
Pit was a bit too angry for that. He also kind of exploded Holsmon scattering said data away.

Really, Beat was the only mon able to load his opponent here.
Incidentally Magic Game is one of those fiddly trick things you rarely see done well. Its done great here.
Thanks. It's an esteoric move with a ton of potential. I hope to have Sparks utilize it more in the future as well.
 
[X] This feral creature, you will face it down through discipline. As a martial artist and protector. The time has come to pull on desire.
 
The dark digivolve makes it more like a feral in terms of intelligence though, right?
They're generally already feral engines of destruction, so that's not really a huge change.

Given all the information now available, I'm thinking that we need to bite the bullet and use our skills and technique to take the fight to him. Plus, whatever it is that our claws are itching to do, the last time we had that option it was implied that it could have wrecked the armor-reinforced scanning room.
 
[X] This feral creature, you will face it down through discipline. As a martial artist and protector. The time has come to pull on desire.
[X] You will match this creature of wrath with anger of your own, an equal contest. Heavy claws become light.
 
The dark digivolve makes it more like a feral in terms of intelligence though, right?
As a general rule dark digivolving will massively degrade a mon's mind. Mostly it turns them into berserk killing machines like SkullGreymon and Chimairamon. In many cases this removes their sapience.

Though it's not always the case. Ardat for example ended up *just* having a splintered, unstable mind instead.
 
[X] This feral creature, you will face it down through discipline. As a martial artist and protector. The time has come to pull on desire.

Against a fresh ultimate I think the offense gains going berserk isn't worth losing the use of our spells for the battle.
 
[X] This feral creature, you will face it down through discipline. As a martial artist and protector. The time has come to pull on desire.

The best way to fight as a Gryzmon(or as a higher-level Digimon in general really) isn't just overwhelming power, but also leveraging that power intelligently.
Something that poor ol' Chimeramon can't do(not this one at least). Calmness and Reason shall surpass the mindless beast.
 
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[X] This feral creature, you will face it down through discipline. As a martial artist and protector. The time has come to pull on desire.

Chimeramon, next to Skullgreymon and Madleomon are some of the best at being berserk.
You don't win by contesting an Ultimate in their specialty.
Fight smarter. Make it waste its energy
 
@NMS you want to switch your vote to the discipline vote? And @thamuzz pick a side dude.
Adhoc vote count started by TempestK on Feb 25, 2019 at 10:02 AM, finished with 50 posts and 15 votes.

  • [X] You will match this creature of wrath with anger of your own, an equal contest. Heavy claws become light.
    [X] This feral creature, you will face it down through discipline. As a martial artist and protector. The time has come to pull on desire.
    [X] So much as you want to give in, this is a situation where you should defer to Pit and Darcmon. Get ready to block it's assault and weather the incoming storm.
    [X] This feral creature, you will face it down through discipline. As a martial artist and protector. The time has come to pull on desire.
    [X] You will match this creature of wrath with anger of your own, an equal contest. Heavy claws become light.
 
[X] This feral creature, you will face it down through discipline. As a martial artist and protector. The time has come to pull on desire.

I'd have thought that the Wrath option was the one to focus on whatever was up with our claws given the ending bit, but if Discipline does that and keeps its attention on us too then I'm happy.
 
[X] This feral creature, you will face it down through discipline. As a martial artist and protector. The time has come to pull on desire.

I voted for both because this one was in last place at the time and I really didn't want one of the uncorrupted options.
 
[X] So much as you want to give in, this is a situation where you should defer to Pit and Darcmon. Get ready to block it's assault and weather the incoming storm.

Alright fine.
 
Honestly a more aggressive approach would probably be the better option here, take it out as quickly as we can or at least draw it's attention firmly onto Verge so it doesn't have the chance to focus on someone else and leave the spellcasting to Sparks (I also really don't think we should go for the purple option here).
 
Honestly a more aggressive approach would probably be the better option here, take it out as quickly as we can or at least draw it's attention firmly onto Verge so it doesn't have the chance to focus on someone else and leave the spellcasting to Sparks (I also really don't think we should go for the purple option here).
Well it is the option that inflicts the most damage at Chimairamon, but it is also the one that inflicts the most damage at us as well.

But Pit is free, and he is capable of using Mega Heal as a Pidmon, so maybe the injury part can be mitigated or solved with his involvement.

Plus we are the main damage dealer, with HippoGriffomon occupied, and Sparks unable to deal meaningful damage against Chimairamon unless using burst, that would mean we are only damage dealer in this group.

So maybe focusing on dps and killing Chimairamon as fast as possible and leaving Pit to heal us may be the best strategy.
 
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In any other situation, you'd have a point there @Zwart Jaeger, but this is a Chimeramon, a top-tier Ultimate. and a Dark Digivolved one at that.
Sure, we'd do a lot of damage, but at the cost of us ending up horribly mangled. and if we're mangled, then who's gonna protect the rest of the squad?
No, it's safer to fight smarter...which honestly isn't a high bar to jump, considering Dark Digivolves are mostly berserker packin' mon-and-a-half.

Plus, doesn't Gryzmon have a way to turn an enemy's strength against them or something? I mean, being primarily a counter-oriented fighter would indicate as such.
 
In any other situation, you'd have a point there @Zwart Jaeger, but this is a Chimeramon, a top-tier Ultimate. and a Dark Digivolved one at that.
Sure, we'd do a lot of damage, but at the cost of us ending up horribly mangled. and if we're mangled, then who's gonna protect the rest of the squad?
No, it's safer to fight smarter... which honestly isn't a high bar to jump, considering Dark Digivolves are mostly berserker packin' mon-and-a-half.

Plus, doesn't Gryzmon have a way to turn an enemy's strength against them or something? I mean, being primarily a counter-oriented fighter would indicate as such.
Chimeramon was a toptier when it was actually assembled from the best parts of Perfect level digimon, this one is freshly digivolved from a champion level that got it's ass beat by D'arcmon prior to it's digivolution; so I don't think it's gonna be anywhere near that level as it is currently Verge could probably take it down with an extra-judicial use of rage boost (not counting any healing and/or support spells the squad throws Verge's way) especially with it being mindless/feral cutting down it's ability to actually use that power effectively.
 
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