Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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[X] Darkness

This is in our everything and I really enjoy the idea of being a qi vampire.

[X] Wind
[X] Wood

That said, I wouldn't die if we had more of these.
Adhoc vote count started by JamesShazbond on Feb 23, 2019 at 10:47 PM, finished with 10054 posts and 129 votes.
 
[X] Wind

I'd be fine with anything except Water, honestly, but I've always missed the prominence that Wind used to have in Qi's cultivation. Her Yellow breakthrough having that "grow strong enough wings to carry her earthly attachments with her" element was fucking great, her whole thing about freedom is really interesting in how it interacts with her backstory as a runaway who experienced "true freedom" for four years. Makes you wonder what a pure Wind Ling Qi would look like.
 
We're training HDW this turn. That's Wind/Music, and one half of our near-future Perception suite.

ENM is Wind/Dark, which provides an offensive element to our Stealth.

MNO is Moon/Wind, and counters Spiritual senses the way SCS counters physical ones.

DLS is Dark/Wind, and does for Spiritual Avoid what SCS does for Physical Avoid.

AFL is Wind, and boosts our Flight.

We're looking to train ENM or MNO next turn and the turn after, with DLS and whichever of ENM/MNO wasn't previously trained on turn 6.

So, uh... if you count four Arts as 'nothing major', then sure. Nothing major. It's only in ~60% of our potential stealth suite.
Yeah that was poorly put on my part. We are spending some serious time adding things with Wind. I however do not expect that to last though as they're a collection of less core arts that happen to all but Lark share a non-wind element with other core arts. Maybe I'm just overly pessimistic but I expect next time it comes up after we get this batch of Wind Arts that people will push for another less used element. Probably a push for Water to make sure that FVM and FSS don't get side-lined or messed with due to being off element arts, though I could also see Wood with how well TRF has done though that's more contentious.

Well, no, everyone wants some wind in the build, we just can't get any good arts with it because of the whole Darkness/Water meme
I don't think everyone wants Wind. I think you have a decent amount of but not vote deciding hard support for every element we have in our mess of a build and then a vote swaying chunk of people that are less concerned with overall build and end up voting for things that add spice or variety. But yeah as above I worded that poorly. I think we're pretty much guaranteed to maintain the Darkness/Water/Wind/Moon/Music/Wood mess we have now, and I expect that as Zhengui and his Wood/Fire bonuses grow there will end up being a push to add Fire to make use of those as well though I hope that might be pushing things a step too far.

Or hey maybe I'm wrong and that Art acquisition coming in a bulk and the sway of plan makers who take the time to put together optimized turns will mean the more fickle voters won't have a plan to back to maintain the mess we currently have and as a result we'll end up dropping Wood so we'll be down to five instead of six or seven when three or four that we've been told is normal/recommended.
 
Aside from Ashen Shadow Art, not really.
Eh, I think as his bonus to those things grow we'll end up getting people talking about how we're wasting some really good bonuses and how we could train with him and it could be fluffy and cute. I don't really expect people to go along with it since currently the only fire art we have is an Argent one, but I also wouldn't exactly be surprised to see something like Imperturbable Manor's Hearth sneak it's way in later on as his bonuses grow bigger.
 
Eh, I think as his bonus to those things grow we'll end up getting people talking about how we're wasting some really good bonuses and how we could train with him and it could be fluffy and cute. I don't really expect people to go along with it since currently the only fire art we have is an Argent one, but I also wouldn't exactly be surprised to see something like Imperturbable Manor's Hearth sneak it's way in later on as his bonuses grow bigger.

Not so much I think. But Wood has a strong following
 
Wasn't there something about there being only 3 people in the entire Sect who cultivated darkness? Why do people want to give that advantage up? Wind seems to be a generic choice.

Plus we know for a fact that LQ understands darkness -she understands Zeqing- but we have no information what she'd think if she met a wind spirit.
 
Wasn't there something about there being only 3 people in the entire Sect who cultivated darkness? Why do people want to give that advantage up? Wind seems to be a generic choice.

Plus we know for a fact that LQ understands darkness -she understands Zeqing- but we have no information what she'd think if she met a wind spirit.
Ahh, you are thinking of the element Moon.

Only three people have access to EPC in the Sect, Elder Jiao, our assassin friend who I can't remember right now, and us.

There are actually more people in the sect who cultivate darkness. Meizhen, Huang Da, Yan Renshu, Ling Qi, Xiao Fen (I think), and probably others. Also... I don't think we are giving up any elements.
 
Darkness isn't a weakness or advantage. Its just an element, one which our patron drop arts gave heavily...but largely because we couldn't go straight to Moon at Yellow.
 
People keep calling darkness greed, but I dont really think of it that way?


I think Zeqing put it best actually. Darkness and Ice are elements that are defined by seeking fulfillment. SO the question becomes, what fulfills LQ, and do you think she is bad for seeking it strongly?
 
Are brute force, having arts for it, and greed the only IC reasons we cultivate Darkness?

I mean we lived in the city's shadow for quite a while. It was our first forging, where we learned what what it means to kill.

I hope we never forget what its like to be just enough less weak then the next guy.

But I don't think it's our most important element. Just a legitimately important one.

[X] Wind


Because it is on Wind that we entered the shadow, and it is on Wind we left it.
 
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People keep calling darkness greed, but I dont really think of it that way?


I think Zeqing put it best actually. Darkness and Ice are elements that are defined by seeking fulfillment. SO the question becomes, what fulfills LQ, and do you think she is bad for seeking it strongly?
People seem to be using "greed" in the sense that Ling Qi's first instinct to assuage her concerns or satisfy a goal is to go for more. More arts, more friends, more pills, and similar things that can be summarized by the fact that Ling Qi is driven to never be happy with what she has when she knows there is more she could have if she is willing to reach out and grasp/take it.

This is.a rather necessary character trait for cultivators who really have any hope to make it far, but as the prior Omake's about Ji Rong post Tournament discusses some people have that dissatisfaction of how things are drilled into them a bit deeper or expressing itself differently.

Meizhen has her social issues and distaste for those people or activities she considered, "lessor" or otherwise inconsequential to her current drive to surpass and beat down Liling.

CRX has her fear of her mother and longing for "Order" and works towards that nebulous goal.

Li Suyin now has her desire to not be so "weak" and to both be the kind of cultivator that helps the weak like she was as well as to punish those who use their strength to abuse those weaker than them.

All of them share that same relentless search for more power, resources, and prestige but most have somewhat constrained methods they are looking to use, or are ill-suited/unwilling to use the kind of wide-ranging resource acquisition that Ling Qi has made use of to accelerate her own growth. We make use of what seems to appear to other cultivators to be a constant stream of drugs, bend almost every moment and spare thought towards how to improve our cultivation, and still are unsatisfied with accepting anything that we have a being enough.

It's definitely one form of "greed", but honestly could also be referred to as our pursuit of Arete, that excellence of effectiveness and capacity.
 
People seem to be using "greed" in the sense that Ling Qi's first instinct to assuage her concerns or satisfy a goal is to go for more. More arts, more friends, more pills, and similar things that can be summarized by the fact that Ling Qi is driven to never be happy with what she has when she knows there is more she could have if she is willing to reach out and grasp/take it.

This is.a rather necessary character trait for cultivators who really have any hope to make it far, but as the prior Omake's about Ji Rong post Tournament discusses some people have that dissatisfaction of how things are drilled into them a bit deeper or expressing itself differently.

Meizhen has her social issues and distaste for those people or activities she considered, "lessor" or otherwise inconsequential to her current drive to surpass and beat down Liling.

CRX has her fear of her mother and longing for "Order" and works towards that nebulous goal.

Li Suyin now has her desire to not be so "weak" and to both be the kind of cultivator that helps the weak like she was as well as to punish those who use their strength to abuse those weaker than them.

All of them share that same relentless search for more power, resources, and prestige but most have somewhat constrained methods they are looking to use, or are ill-suited/unwilling to use the kind of wide-ranging resource acquisition that Ling Qi has made use of to accelerate her own growth. We make use of what seems to appear to other cultivators to be a constant stream of drugs, bend almost every moment and spare thought towards how to improve our cultivation, and still are unsatisfied with accepting anything that we have a being enough.

It's definitely one form of "greed", but honestly could also be referred to as our pursuit of Arete, that excellence of effectiveness and capacity.

Darkness is more or less why LQ has friends. She was lonely and sought fulfillment.

Wind is bad for relationships. It's defined by motion, and while it might touch upon many things, it wont stick around when things get tough. Probably why child LQ never really made any friends, even when she lived with her mom.
Going around problems rather than confronting them is quintessential wind.


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[X] Wind

Well Ling Qi wanted to play happier songs so a muse that has themes of joy makes sense, and might combine well with Hanyi in a duet. Because Ling Qi would be able to provide wind/happier themes to contrast the darker themes Hanyi naturally possess.
 
[X] Wind

Well Ling Qi wanted to play happier songs so a muse that has themes of joy makes sense, and might combine well with Hanyi in a duet. Because Ling Qi would be able to provide wind/happier themes to contrast the darker themes Hanyi naturally possess.

Wind has nothing to do with happiness. Not sure where you got that idea?
 
Asale, you have almost convinced me to switch vote. It is our darkness that craves the warmth and light around us...

[X] Darkness.

I hope our QM sees what we mean by this.

Wind has nothing to do with happiness. Not sure where you got that idea?
It does with Joy, which is not the same thing..there are other kinds of happines, but they are connected.
 
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I would agree that the ways we sought out friendships were related to the definition of Darkness as an element (although I reject the idea that there's any causal relationship between any of these elements and most of our behaviour). Likewise LQ's flighty nature, the way she used to not think much about people for weeks and then suddenly pops up with some new thing to them, is reflective of Wind as an element (likewise rejecting the causal relationship though).

So yeah, if it's the glow of good times with friends you care about, Darkness seems good. Wind is more about flighty butterfly behavior, which is fine too, but makes deeper relationships difficult.
 
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