Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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[X] Perception
[X] Evasion
[X] Stealth
My understanding is that we need a successor for AM and a replacement for AS and AC.
Perception aims at the AM successor.
The main thing AS gives us is some mobility and melee fight boosts. I'd like to replace it with an art that has better synergy with SCS and the ephemeral shadow stuff instead of lightning jumps.
[X] Evasion
[X] Stealth
My understanding is that we need a successor for AM and a replacement for AS and AC.
Perception aims at the AM successor.
The main thing AS gives us is some mobility and melee fight boosts. I'd like to replace it with an art that has better synergy with SCS and the ephemeral shadow stuff instead of lightning jumps.
- Location
- Third planet from the star named Sol
- Pronouns
- He/They
[X] Stealth
[X] Wind
[X] Music
[X] Wind
[X] Music
- Location
- Earth
[X] Wind
[X] Perceptiveness
[X] Connection
[X] Perceptiveness
[X] Connection
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Something to point out that I think is relevant, regardless of whatever arts we get added into our unlearned section I don't think training them next month is a good idea and I won't be making plans that train them right now. The reason is that we have SCS, personal cultivation and EPC to work on along with missions and duties for sect points and other consumable resources.
It's a case of having core things that need to be taken care of before we can get to the stuff that supplements the core, like a hypothetical successor to AM. Because we can see the levels of an art early we'll be able to better judge how useful an art is for Ling Qi. This leads into a thought that we might not like what we find, which is somewhat unlikely, but fine because we do have other options. As I said it is unlikely, and I expect we'll like what we find.
Put it all together and I would be far happier with working on the unlearned arts after we master the current level of SCS and get to Appraisal, so month three at least.
E: To dig into this deeper since I feel I am some what unclear.
With SCS where it is, one of our core elements is not completely up to par with Ling Qi's cultivation level and it's next level provides some nice stuff. It is also just useful to have around as an option. So, getting it up to par seems like an entirely reasonable idea.
We also need to get to Appraisal to unlock all our other arts like TRF, PLR and FVM and such as well as being less vulnerable to being gimped by a higher Green. You all know how it is. This is connected to EPC, because EPC is one component in our cultivation engine along with Appraisal itself letting us really abuse Green stones for massive gains. Physical is also going to be needed for the last levels of SCS, which is why I'm letting it go after we master the next level. We likely won't be able to train that next SCS level until month four-ish, it depends on our physical progress.
Then from there we have the consumables like rare pills, core tutoring and such like which require sect points and contribution points will be relevant for when we want to start climbing the ranks. So we have to do missions. Additionally, missions mean we explore the Inner Sect, which is how we find tasty tasty goodie vaults.
That makes month two a bit full with central stuff.
After that, after getting into Appraisal and getting the next SCS level I am much more okay with getting to the unlearned arts in month three.
It's a case of having core things that need to be taken care of before we can get to the stuff that supplements the core, like a hypothetical successor to AM. Because we can see the levels of an art early we'll be able to better judge how useful an art is for Ling Qi. This leads into a thought that we might not like what we find, which is somewhat unlikely, but fine because we do have other options. As I said it is unlikely, and I expect we'll like what we find.
Put it all together and I would be far happier with working on the unlearned arts after we master the current level of SCS and get to Appraisal, so month three at least.
E: To dig into this deeper since I feel I am some what unclear.
With SCS where it is, one of our core elements is not completely up to par with Ling Qi's cultivation level and it's next level provides some nice stuff. It is also just useful to have around as an option. So, getting it up to par seems like an entirely reasonable idea.
We also need to get to Appraisal to unlock all our other arts like TRF, PLR and FVM and such as well as being less vulnerable to being gimped by a higher Green. You all know how it is. This is connected to EPC, because EPC is one component in our cultivation engine along with Appraisal itself letting us really abuse Green stones for massive gains. Physical is also going to be needed for the last levels of SCS, which is why I'm letting it go after we master the next level. We likely won't be able to train that next SCS level until month four-ish, it depends on our physical progress.
Then from there we have the consumables like rare pills, core tutoring and such like which require sect points and contribution points will be relevant for when we want to start climbing the ranks. So we have to do missions. Additionally, missions mean we explore the Inner Sect, which is how we find tasty tasty goodie vaults.
That makes month two a bit full with central stuff.
After that, after getting into Appraisal and getting the next SCS level I am much more okay with getting to the unlearned arts in month three.
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I would argue we need none of those things. We want a new perception art, yes, but there is no need for that to be AM+ and quite a few reasons why it shouldn't.
AS and AC don't need to replaced because that implies they are currently fulfilling critical roles in our build. AS gives us nothing but passives because we don't use it. Trying to "replace" its techs thus doesn't do much. There is some value in having the ability to spike up our damage when needed ala PC, but there are a lot of options there. That would fall under either stealth or support arts I would say.
Yeah. First combat chance we get I want to try stealth strats. We need to know if it's viable.
votes will be separated by line, but if i let everyone vote for six, then I have a strong suspicion that voting would solidify into camps that might as well be plans anyway.
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
That's good to hear, I have no further concerns. Thanks!
- Location
- The Temple of the Winds
I just noticed this bonus in Ling Qi page.
Since our Music skill is at C, does that mean that our spiritual offense is actually Hit: B17 and Penetration: B15 instead of:
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- Staring into the void
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- earth
[X] Connection
[X] Darkness
[X] Stealth
[ ] War
I think Perceptiveness and Wind are pretty sure winners so I'm voting for these three.
I'd like to see War too but not at the expense of the other 3 I have voted for.
[X] Darkness
[X] Stealth
[ ] War
I think Perceptiveness and Wind are pretty sure winners so I'm voting for these three.
I'd like to see War too but not at the expense of the other 3 I have voted for.
- Location
- UK
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Oh wow, so I was wrong on two fronts. Xiao ended up being a Bai branch and Meizhen is getting her ninja maid this early. Guess I shouldn't be surprised the Bai would trust no one but family, still find it odd Fen's here now but perhaps fostering strong ties early was thought best when Meizhen plans to stay in a foreign court post sect.
Dong Fu, I hope we made you proud!
[x] Yin
[x] Wind
[x] Perceptiveness
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
No, because Woodwind is Music's A rank descendant and acting in it's place.
- Location
- North Wales
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
[X] Cold
[X] Dark
[X] Silence
[X] Dark
[X] Silence
- Location
- The Core
[X] Perceptiveness
[X] Connection
[X] Wood
This is a strategic vote. my main priority is to ensure that we get a perception art or commander art, since that is what I think would be the most useful thing we can get out of this level of archive. Resist could work with either art, and I don't think the archive is a great place to look for moon, music or cold related arts. we have our own sources for those.
E: replaced resist with wood after discussion. some wood side arts seem to have merit.
[X] Connection
[X] Wood
This is a strategic vote. my main priority is to ensure that we get a perception art or commander art, since that is what I think would be the most useful thing we can get out of this level of archive. Resist could work with either art, and I don't think the archive is a great place to look for moon, music or cold related arts. we have our own sources for those.
E: replaced resist with wood after discussion. some wood side arts seem to have merit.
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I just want to reiterate this.
We should not jump on the first arts we see. Even after next month, we'll still have a million things to do, with epc, scs, fvm, and trf begging to be mastered. On top of AG and our base cultivation.
What we want to do is keep doing our research and discussing our options. See what's available, and what would work well together.
- Location
- The Temple of the Winds
That seems to make the bonus irrelevant since Hit and Perception already consider mastery as baseline:
It seems the bonus is simply the default way hit and perception ratings are calculated... Like a bonus that says "your archery mastery is now used in determining hit and penetration when you use a bow".
Am i reading it wrong ?
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[X] Wind
[X] Perceptiveness
[X] Stealth
[X] Perceptiveness
[X] Stealth
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
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- She/Her
Yeah, though as I said I am muuuuuch happier with starting unlearned arts in month three than two, because I feel like we could fit it in there since we likely won't have SCS to train until we get Appraisal Bronze because it's funny like that.
Also month two will likely have some pretty robust discussion on the matter so I'm somewhat hopeful. Kinda comes down to if these other arts are worth it.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I'm not sure where your misunderstanding lies. Basically there are two pieces, a stat, and a mastery when determining a derived attribute. The bonus we got was that we could use Music as a mastery at all. Going Music + Woodwind for hit or penetration calcs would be using the same mastery twice.
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