Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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I wanna show Xiulan our new TRF. She can be all "Radiant Lance!" and we'll be all "lol. Deepwood" and no-sell it. It'll be great!
Then she'll understand that Wood is an awesome element and she should pick up Wood. Way better than something like Metal.
I mean, come on. She has an art called Wildflower Blooming. There's clear synergy.
Then she'll understand that Wood is an awesome element and she should pick up Wood. Way better than something like Metal.
I mean, come on. She has an art called Wildflower Blooming. There's clear synergy.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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Yessss. It's still assbackwards because for the Arts your meridan count is changed, but for the rest of you it is treating things as all hunky dory. This is unsymmetrical and thus complicated and inconsistent.
E: You know what yes let's do Mad Science.
[X] Visit Li Suyin's workshop, if she will allow it. Ling Qi was curious about her project.
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fictionfan
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Only if you were already thinking backwards and not thinking of arts as things to equip and deequip as needed.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
TBH.
If I was doing it the way I think Yrsillar's going to do, I'd list it as... Say.
Head: 1x AM (Lake x2, Mountain), 2 Empty
Seems straightforward to me. You're not losing elemental channels, you're just figuring out how to get the same effect with one channel instead of needing three.
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If you deequip it, your meridians are no longer attuned to anything. To attune a meridian you must have an Art with some requirements, at least at our current level.
Another note. The ability to "compress" arts this way makes it far less costly in the long term to keep older completed arts around.
Any art has a fixed cost in terms of the time needed to find it and develop it - but it also has a cost in that it locks up meridians. There is a soft limit to how many meridians one could have open; at some point, opening up any more gets impractical. This means that meridians are a limited resource even in the long term, much like equipment slots. Using one for a given art means there is one less for others. As a result, a cultivator near their meridian cap might be encouraged to get rid of some "dead weight", dropping obsolete arts to free up room for newer and presumably higher-level abilities.
Now, we can use a couple of actions to decrease this malus, making old arts less costly to carry around. That may not be worth the effort for truly obsolete arts like the Falling Stars Art, but for something like the Fleeting Zephyr which is only obsolete-ish, it may be worth it. For reference, FZ provides abilities like Encircling Winds (group combat buff) and On The Wind (group movement buff). Yes, the potency of the art is only Mid Yellow and the abilities are somewhat niche, but the techs are at a respectable C rank and do provide meaningful utility within their specialty. Is keeping them around worth 3 meridians? Probably not. But 1 meridian and 2AP? That makes it a lot more tempting.
Any art has a fixed cost in terms of the time needed to find it and develop it - but it also has a cost in that it locks up meridians. There is a soft limit to how many meridians one could have open; at some point, opening up any more gets impractical. This means that meridians are a limited resource even in the long term, much like equipment slots. Using one for a given art means there is one less for others. As a result, a cultivator near their meridian cap might be encouraged to get rid of some "dead weight", dropping obsolete arts to free up room for newer and presumably higher-level abilities.
Now, we can use a couple of actions to decrease this malus, making old arts less costly to carry around. That may not be worth the effort for truly obsolete arts like the Falling Stars Art, but for something like the Fleeting Zephyr which is only obsolete-ish, it may be worth it. For reference, FZ provides abilities like Encircling Winds (group combat buff) and On The Wind (group movement buff). Yes, the potency of the art is only Mid Yellow and the abilities are somewhat niche, but the techs are at a respectable C rank and do provide meaningful utility within their specialty. Is keeping them around worth 3 meridians? Probably not. But 1 meridian and 2AP? That makes it a lot more tempting.
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Dying old cultivators look like ghosts? Interesting. As was the information on the nature of qi and arts.
Xiulan would be my second choice, even though I am curious what Renxiang's doing, but Suyin is the one I'm most interested in reaching out to.
[x] Visit Li Suyin's workshop, if she will allow it. Ling Qi was curious about her project.
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- Brazil, Minas gerais
[X] Visit Li Suyin's workshop, if she will allow it. Ling Qi was curious about her project.
Then we go to her other friend, since this one don't have family or other friends here. Just Ling, her mentor and lots of spiders.
Then we go to her other friend, since this one don't have family or other friends here. Just Ling, her mentor and lots of spiders.
BungieONI
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Kinda, but it is basically what I'm talking about as not liking. You'd essentially have to change the Domain Weapon stat calculation from "elementally aligned meridians" to "raw element count" which is less grounded than the meridian version.
Nah. FZ has been nerfed into the ground tbh.
Its passives are basically non-existent now. EW no longer applies to us. Overall potency is mid-yellow, and we're about to reach Green Appraisal. Its strength is just far behind what we need to be relevant.
No point keeping it.
Alectai
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Alas, it was solidly peak-Yellow in the old system, but I guess "Babby's First Art's Successor" couldn't keep up, and I don't see us stumbling upon a third order successor.
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[X] Visit Li Suyin's workshop, if she will allow it. Ling Qi was curious about her project
is there like concurrent elder classes? That's why some people didn't attend?
That is fine, then. Just because it is a better deal than it was before doesn't make it a good deal - and personally, I'm in favor of focusing our build whenever possible, so I certainly wouldn't be up in arms in defense of FZ.
Perhaps Argent Mirror would be a better example, then. It has decent passives, a reasonable Potency, a utility tech (Discerning Gaze), and a pair of okay combat techs. Are we likely to come up with something better over the next year and a half? Undoubtedly. But with the a cost of 4 meridians reduced to two, it might be worth keeping the art around for the passives if nothing else.
I think it's more likely to be similar to why not everyone turned up for Spiritual Cultivation lessons- they at least thought they didn't need the lesson. (if they're wrong, they'll suffer the consequences)
I'm currently assuming that at the preliminary level of this process, we can only combine Art meridian requirements that completely match i.e. element and meridian category. Could be wrong, but that's the impression I'm getting, where inter-elemental merging is one of those 'more advanced forms'. Combining Darkness meridians definitely dings us on Domain weapon though, because we're not figure out how to push more power through one meridian, we're customizing an Art and refining our usage of qi with our meridians to better, more efficiently, match up. It wouldn't make sense to also be able to contribute more energy to our Domain Weapon with any particular meridian.
Also, you're all terrible and throwing away Ling Qi's time on frivoloties when she could be learning more about paperwork:
[X] Cai Renxiang was not expecting her back until later, but Ling Qi could check in on her.
AM's good for spiritual defense and giving a bit of extra oomph when paired with another perception art, yeah. Still unsure on multi-element meridian condensing, since that's more than just making the art more efficient, it's changing how Ling Qi can even use meridians. Interesting if it can be done though, and hey even reducing the needed meridian count by 1 is decent.
Alectai
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Nah, I think it makes sense that we can crunch stuff into one Meridian even if they use differing Elements. Especially since it requires Mastery of the Art to do this with in the first place. If it required Meridian type and element to match up, it'd only be something you could do with the simplest, most rudimentary magic.
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[X] Visit Gu Xiulan, she did not see her at the lesson.
[X] Visit Li Suyin's workshop, if she will allow it. Ling Qi was curious about her project.
We literally only had 2 short paragraphs of interaction with her before Meizhen's terror field interrupte. We'll be spending a tonne of time with Xiulan and Renxiang. Let's give our second real friend some attention for now.
We literally only had 2 short paragraphs of interaction with her before Meizhen's terror field interrupte. We'll be spending a tonne of time with Xiulan and Renxiang. Let's give our second real friend some attention for now.
