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Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)

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The Lowtide said:
Remember that, as it stands, Taylor's father, Shipwright, is suffering from a severe form of amnesia and is utterly incapable of taking care of her. Lacey might be able to claim guardianship due to being the one actually taking care of her, but I have distinct doubts that this has been done officially. If the PRT's aware of Shipwright's fate (Which I don't actually remember if they are, to be fair), then they have an un-emancipated minor with extreme power at her hands flying about getting herself into danger. The chance that they won't take advantage of that to attempt to gain governmental custody, either out of opportunism or because their hand is forced due to the laws and the Youth Guard, is slim. That is, frankly, a can of worms with a good chance to causing a lot of things to backfire pretty hard. On the upside, it might drive Taylor into the arms of the TSAB, so I won't be all that upset if we do tell and it goes down that road?
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#1, Danny was Captain, not Shipwright
#2, Danny's will gave custody of Taylor to Kurt and Lacey should he die or be incapacitated. That's already been mentioned in-story.
 
landcollector said:
Either way will drive up friction honestly, imo, because of the laws and what not.
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If it's going to cause tension either way, don't you think it best to have the good will of coming clean on Taylor's side?

Because her age doesn't change the things she did and competency she's shown while they thought she was an adult, and this could help towards Missy's situation.
 
LancerisDead said:
If it's going to cause tension either way, don't you think it best to have the good will of coming clean on Taylor's side?

Because her age doesn't change the things she did and competency she's shown while they thought she was an adult, and this could help towards Missy's situation.
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Or it could significantly hurt Missy's situation because Taylor's actions in Philly & Chicago are tactically competent but strategically she's a goddamn bull in a china shop.
 
Silently Watches said:
#2, Danny's will gave custody of Taylor to Kurt and Lacey should he die or be incapacitated. That's already been mentioned in-story.
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Could be an interesting legal case from an observer's viewpoint. Him having a living-will that activated when he went into a coma after Behemoth fight is pretty straightforward.... not as sure what happens in such a case if they unexpectedly wake up after guardianship was necessarily transferred. But.... this is Worm, and its easy to imagine that someone waking up /with a significant mental change/ after use of Cape powers on them probably has precedent by now and I suspect would tend to side against him keeping any responsibility.
 
[X] Yes
It's better to get it out the way now than risk it being used against Taylor later.
Saying no could also lead to problems with Vista in the future whether intentionally or not.
 
LancerisDead said:
To those of you voting no, don't you think that it'll only drive up friction between the PRT and Taylor if it eventually comes up, rather than coming clean and giving context to Vista's feelings?

Furthermore, don't you think the leader of the Philly Protectorate finding out the competent adult he's worked alongside is barely older than Missy change his viewpoints, and/or ease the pressure on her?

I just don't see the point or benefit on not telling the truth beyond preserving the status quo for some reason at best, and earning the PRTs distrust if it ever comes up.

And last, as a known liar once said: "Just TALK, people!"
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As I listed above, I voted no because the people in charge are so completely positioned to know that Taylor is underage that the only reason they haven't brought it up is because they have plausible deniability. If Taylor makes an issue of it, they will be required to change how they handle her, regardless of personal preferences. There is blatant lampshading going on about the fact that the Protectorate and PRT are going out of their way to pretend they don't know any better.

Yes seems to be winning, though, so I say we should take the information straight to somebody we already have a solid connection to in Alexandria. If Alexandria doesn't pass that information on, for whatever reasons, then Taylor gains protection against the fallout of her real age being discovered. Ironically, Alexandria may be the person least likely to know Taylor's age, of the Protectorate members we know, since she wasn't forced to deal with an amnesiac parent/cape and the fallout that surrounded that.
 
[X]No

The PRT has this bad habit of either bullshitting, browbeating, or just straight out drafting independents without parents when they are Wards age.

As for the friction when it comes out, frag them
 
Wyrd said:
As I listed above, I voted no because the people in charge are so completely positioned to know that Taylor is underage that the only reason they haven't brought it up is because they have plausible deniability. If Taylor makes an issue of it, they will be required to change how they handle her, regardless of personal preferences. There is blatant lampshading going on about the fact that the Protectorate and PRT are going out of their way to pretend they don't know any better.

Yes seems to be winning, though, so I say we should take the information straight to somebody we already have a solid connection to in Alexandria. If Alexandria doesn't pass that information on, for whatever reasons, then Taylor gains protection against the fallout of her real age being discovered. Ironically, Alexandria may be the person least likely to know Taylor's age, of the Protectorate members we know, since she wasn't forced to deal with an amnesiac parent/cape and the fallout that surrounded that.
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Okay, Wyrd? The fact that Alexandria might have figured it out doesn't mean that anyone else in the Protectorate knows. She doesn't give a hoot about Taylor's age, but other people might.

Also, if you look back at the question I asked, it is whether Taylor should reveal her age to CHEVALIER while she is on patrol with him. Vote on the question I asked please, not on the situation you want.
 
LancerisDead said:
Furthermore, don't you think the leader of the Philly Protectorate finding out the competent adult he's worked alongside is barely older than Missy change his viewpoints, and/or ease the pressure on her?

I just don't see the point or benefit on not telling the truth beyond preserving the status quo for some reason at best, and earning the PRTs distrust if it ever comes up.

And last, as a known liar once said: "Just TALK, people!"
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If Chevalier finds out Taylor is a teen, he'll be mad that she deceived him and that he did things with her that he would not do with an underaged child, such as asking her to participate in dangerous situations.
There will be a backlash.
Adults tend not to treat teens with respect, and if a teen fools an adult into thinking they are one, when the adult finds out they tend to lash out and start treating them like they are pre-teen children rather than adults. The teen will resent this, with good reason. They were treated with the respect of an equal, and now they are being treated like a child. The respect is no longer a two-way street, but is once again one-way.

I do see Chevalier treating Taylor differently, not Vista.
Part of this will be laws and regulations, part will be simply thinking that because of her age she needs to be treated like a child. I'm not good at putting this into words, but I experienced this.
Lots of bullied kids have to grow up emotionally, and resent the adult hypocrisy with the way they treat teens. Also, again, in general adults don't treat teenagers the same as they would another adult, and it will cause problems.

In addition, Taylor is in a vulnerable position legally with her father unfit to care for her. The Protectorate might try to gain custody of her, then they'd want to control her. If they continue to think she's an adult, they wouldn't dream of trying the things they would do with a minor who has no adult that can legally go to bat for them. Being forced into the Wards "For her own good" is one of them. She's obviously putting herself in danger, she needs to "learn some responsibility" and the Wards program is designed for training young superheroes. It's only for 3 more years.

As I said, it's a whole can of worms of complications we don't need.

As for it coming out later and them resenting her deceiving them, it is too late. They WILL resent it if we tell them now, and we'll get the backlash no matter what. Better to continue to let them make the wrong assumptions and deal with it if it does come out. We have a chance of it being a secret for the next three years and avoiding the problems that result. If confronted, we can point out that we've been acting mature about things enough for people to think we were adults, and if we had told them, would they have continued to treat us with respect, or would they start condescending and treating us like a 4 year old in retaliation? We never outright said we were an adult, you just made assumptions and never asked, and the issue never came up.

I'm not that good at expressing what I'm trying to say, but hopefully you'll get the gist of my argument.
Adhoc vote count started by SlickRCBD on Nov 6, 2018 at 10:16 PM, finished with 16718 posts and 46 votes.
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SlickRCBD said:
The Protectorate might try to gain custody of her, then they'd want to control her. If they continue to think she's an adult, they wouldn't dream of trying the things they would do with a minor who has no adult that can legally go to bat for them.
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Kurt and Lacey remember? They have legal custody now. Had it for the last five arcs at least.
 
SlickRCBD said:
The Protectorate might try to gain custody of her, then they'd want to control her. If they continue to think she's an adult, they wouldn't dream of trying the things they would do with a minor who has no adult that can legally go to bat for them. Being forced into the Wards "For her own good" is one of them.
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Okay 1. Taylor has legal guardians. Danny legally named Kurt and Lacey in the event he is no longer able and those two will follow Taylor's lead. If she says she's not joining the Wards, they aren't going to argue with her.
2. The vote is to mention her AGE. Not her civilian identity. Just cause CW mentions her age to Chevalier doesn't mean everyone is gonna start investigating what is the identity of the underage parahuman so they can force them to sign onto the Wards, cause they sure as hell don't do that with every other teenage vigilante running around.
3. The PRT can't press gang her into the Wards against her will. That is the exact kind of abuse that the Youth Guard was created to prevent.
4. Calamity Witch is a mega powerful Blaster who they aren't going to alienate just cause she's 16.
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@Silently Watches
Just in case people are actually confusing this, can you confirm if voting Yes to telling Chevalier about Taylor's age also means telling him her civilian identity, current guardian situation and potentially giving the PRT the power to force her into signing on with the Wards?
 
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SlickRCBD said:
If Chevalier finds out Taylor is a teen, he'll be mad that she deceived him and that he did things with her that he would not do with an underaged child, such as asking her to participate in dangerous situations.
There will be a backlash.
Adults tend not to treat teens with respect, and if a teen fools an adult into thinking they are one, when the adult finds out they tend to lash out and start treating them like they are pre-teen children rather than adults. The teen will resent this, with good reason. They were treated with the respect of an equal, and now they are being treated like a child. The respect is no longer a two-way street, but is once again one-way.

I do see Chevalier treating Taylor differently, not Vista.
Part of this will be laws and regulations, part will be simply thinking that because of her age she needs to be treated like a child. I'm not good at putting this into words, but I experienced this.
Lots of bullied kids have to grow up emotionally, and resent the adult hypocrisy with the way they treat teens. Also, again, in general adults don't treat teenagers the same as they would another adult, and it will cause problems.

In addition, Taylor is in a vulnerable position legally with her father unfit to care for her. The Protectorate might try to gain custody of her, then they'd want to control her. If they continue to think she's an adult, they wouldn't dream of trying the things they would do with a minor who has no adult that can legally go to bat for them. Being forced into the Wards "For her own good" is one of them. She's obviously putting herself in danger, she needs to "learn some responsibility" and the Wards program is designed for training young superheroes. It's only for 3 more years.

As I said, it's a whole can of worms of complications we don't need.

As for it coming out later and them resenting her deceiving them, it is too late. They WILL resent it if we tell them now, and we'll get the backlash no matter what. Better to continue to let them make the wrong assumptions and deal with it if it does come out. We have a chance of it being a secret for the next three years and avoiding the problems that result. If confronted, we can point out that we've been acting mature about things enough for people to think we were adults, and if we had told them, would they have continued to treat us with respect, or would they start condescending and treating us like a 4 year old in retaliation? We never outright said we were an adult, you just made assumptions and never asked, and the issue never came up.

I'm not that good at expressing what I'm trying to say, but hopefully you'll get the gist of my argument.
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While you paint a wonderfully grim picture of the potential consequences, you leave out what I think are a few key details. If the Protectorate could keep the entire situation under wraps I might be worried about this but Taylor and Calamity Witch are very public figures, and if it came out that she was being pressured, if she could speak up for herself, there would be a pretty massive loss of face for them from trying to force her. She's a hero. She's fought endbringers. She is the sole wholly trusted diplomatic link to a powerful alien faction with the ability to potentially do serious good to the world.

If the protectorate tried basically any of what you're suggesting, Teen or not, Taylor would be able to absolutely ruin their public image unless she chose to go quietly, which... Let's be real here. She wouldn't. Not a chance in hell.

Taylor at this point has the capacity to not just earn but command respect.
 
landcollector said:
Assuming that revealing our Minor status is not going to have any negative consequences for us is being over optimistic imo.
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The same can be said of not revealing Taylor's age though. It's a matter of picking your likely problems. I think that the ones we might get from revealing Taylor's age are more manageable than the ones from not revealing it.
 
You've obviously forgotten what it's like to be a teenager. That and you never had problems in school like Taylor and I did.
Revealing your underage will take away your ability to manage your problems with the adult authorities.
Spectral Waltz said:
I don't think for a second that there won't be consequences, I just think that these consequences are manageable and in some ways preferable.
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SlickRCBD said:
You've obviously forgotten what it's like to be a teenager. That and you never had problems in school like Taylor and I did.
Revealing your underage will take away your ability to manage your problems with the adult authorities.
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Kindly do not make assertions as to my life experiences and what I have or have not forgotten.

I'm not saying that in ignorance.
 
Oruzhiye said:
@Silently Watches
Just in case people are actually confusing this, can you confirm if voting Yes to telling Chevalier about Taylor's age also means telling him her civilian identity, current guardian situation and potentially giving the PRT the power to force her into signing on with the Wards?
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GOD NO!!!

People, I asked a simple question. Do you want Taylor to tell Chevalier that she's 16? Just answer the damn question and quit trying to go in every other possible direction!
LancerisDead said:
Hey, @Silently Watches, could Taylor just get emancipated if the situation called for it?
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…sigh.

Why are you asking?
 
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