Here's my reason why I'm against Loading other Digimon. And no it's not to be a goody two shoes.

Heck I fully accept the concept of putting down enemies for the sake of others. It's killing for power's sake is were I draw the line.

I believe Strength should be attained through Determination and Hardwork. Either for the sake of others or themselves. Not by Murdering those one deems Acceptable and devouring thier soul. For what is Data to Digital Monsters but thier very essence.

I know the Avatars don't mean shit but this is kinda funny coming from the Megidramon guy

Anyways

Meh. I mean just going around chasing wild mon to absorb is something I am quite against

But loading those trying to kill us? They are dead anyways might as well make use of it to gain further strength so we can protect our friends better. Digimon Tamers logic yo

It's not power for power's sake. This isn't some SMT Route Lock decision for fuck's sake, also yeah hardwork and training payoff but the world isn't going to wait you to reach Mega by lifting weights bro, shit's going down
 
[X] Let the last bits of data fade away.

Let's not go down that path

Loading maybe can make us stronger, but it also prevents the other mon from getting reborn,
Something like that we should reserve only for the most evil mon and not any other, least we go down the path were we load other digimon for strength alone
Adhoc vote count started by sidestory on Aug 7, 2018 at 11:55 PM, finished with 104 posts and 19 votes.

  • [X] Let the last bits of data fade away.
    [X] Load the defeated digimon.
    [X] No, you won't. Lunamon and Thresh are still inside the hut, probably wondering about what's going on. You have to get them out of here now - the escape tunnel can be used to get them away from the fighting.
    [X] Yes, you will. Go with Sparks in case anything else tries to prevent him from getting to his Mechanorimon. With another champion on your side, maybe you can help the others win.
    [X] Scream for Fu and tell her to go gather the young and get them to the tunnels. As she is fastest and they need her.
    [X] No, you won't. Lunamon and Thresh are still inside the hut, probably wondering about what's going on. You have to get them out of here now - the escape tunnel can be used to get them away from the fighting.
 
[X] Let the last bits of data fade away.

Let's not go down that path

Loading maybe can make us stronger, but it also prevents the other mon from getting reborn,
Something like that we should reserve only for the most evil mon and not any other, least we go down the path were we load other digimon for strength alone
It doesn't though, if it was their core data maybe but this is just scraps leftover after most of it has gone off to be reborn, unless I misinterpreted something.
 
Guys, loading normally doesn't destroy the core data or prevent reincarnation.

Besides, with regards to the destruction of the consciousness, they're equally dead either way. It's more like recycling than rebirth.
 
It doesn't though, if it was their core data maybe but this is just scraps leftover after most of it has gone off to be reborn, unless I misinterpreted something.

When you load a mon, you either load them total or not at all,
The way I see it, the 'few leftover datas' represent the damage we did here, like how we leak data from our mouth and injuries when we are especially beaten up and not the among of data we load from the Numemon

Guys, loading normally doesn't destroy the core data or prevent reincarnation.

It does, at least in the anime
Adhoc vote count started by sidestory on Aug 8, 2018 at 12:23 AM, finished with 109 posts and 20 votes.

  • [X] Let the last bits of data fade away.
    [X] Load the defeated digimon.
    [X] No, you won't. Lunamon and Thresh are still inside the hut, probably wondering about what's going on. You have to get them out of here now - the escape tunnel can be used to get them away from the fighting.
    [X] Yes, you will. Go with Sparks in case anything else tries to prevent him from getting to his Mechanorimon. With another champion on your side, maybe you can help the others win.
    [X] Scream for Fu and tell her to go gather the young and get them to the tunnels. As she is fastest and they need her.
    [X] Load the defeated digimon.
 
[X] Load the defeated digimon.

Loading digimon, as I understand it from drex's explanation in the discord, does not usually prevent rebirth unless special measures are taken. Which weren't taken in this case.

As for the long reaching consequences...

Vanargand put it best, childhood days are over. Verge is gonna have to make tough calls and, unless Flamemon pulls off a miracle, is likely going to be the strongest member of his group. The primary line of defense.

So turning away an easy (horrifyingly tempting) source of strength is a no go in my book.

That being said! I DO NOT, want or expect Verge to go all Load happy from now on. I imagine this to be something he agonizes over, that he turns over and over asking if this was the right call because that fits his growing maturity as the "big brother".

I want to see VERGE wrestle with the issue of loading rather than us questers. And I think he needs to load at least once for that to happen realistically.

(Also, when you get right down to it, if loading doesn't prevent rebirth... if the parts that are loaded were the parts that would just fly off and get absorbed into the environment anyway... then how different is loading from eating? All data is recycled, and for the plants and stuff we eat had to have nourishing data that data had to come from somewhere yes?)

*shrugs*

But that just my take on the situation. Let's see what ends up winning :)
 
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Here's my reason why I'm against Loading other Digimon. And no it's not to be a goody two shoes.

Heck I fully accept the concept of putting down enemies for the sake of others. It's killing for power's sake is were I draw the line.

I believe Strength should be attained through Determination and Hardwork. Either for the sake of others or themselves. Not by Murdering those one deems Acceptable and devouring thier soul. For what is Data to Digital Monsters but thier very essence.
Keep in mind that there's many different ways to interpret the act of Loading.

For instance, in the world of Digimon Tamers, not Loading the data of a slain foe is considered a grave insult. Its treated as you saying that the foe is so weak that their data is worthless to you.
 
[X] Load the defeated digimon.

must protec our sweet babbies

no matter the cost

(Also, when you get right down to it, if loading doesn't prevent rebirth... if the parts that are loaded were the parts that would just fly off and get absorbed into the environment anyway... then how different is loading from eating? All data is recycled, and for the plants and stuff we eat had to have nourishing data that data had to come from somewhere yes?)

It's more of an incentives thing. If you're willing to use the corpses of your enemies as stepping stones on your way to greatness, murder starts to look a lot more tempting.
 
By loading he gets stronger and is more able to end fights without killing because he's less fighting desperately to keep up.

That is bull, because this is your reasoning which while sound, however is not part of Verges personality,
He does not think like that at all, because he doesn't like fighting at all and so I was asking you why Verge would be bothered by not loading their data as you implied
 
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One this isn't Tamers. Two when was this stated?
I just gave it as an example of the fact that there's a lot of different ways to interpret it. That its not a clear good/evil thing. That Blue and Orange Morality is definitely a thing when it comes to Digimon.

As for when its said in Tamers, Zhuqiaomon (or maybe one of the last few Devas, I don't remember the exact timing) specifically mentions that one of the reasons they hate the protagonists is that the protagonists aren't Loading the data of their slain foes and that its really insulting.

Values Dissonance made the protagonists stop Loading in hopes that maybe it might give the foe a chance to be reborn in the future, even though the world of Tamers is established to not have a reincarnation mechanism for Digimon.
 
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[X] Load the defeated digimon.

For the simple fact that loading right now might help us evolve and if that happens we can do a lot more good here for both our siblings and friends.

Since we are already in a place to be able to evolve, we just need that extra push for such.
 
One of the thoughts on my mind is if bleeding data looks like white nose on the tv or is rainbowy static stuff.

I am either not going to vote, or wait till I hear more arguments.
 
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Okay Here are some last counter arguments in case I can convince somebody to stop throwing away our morals for a fucking Numemon

1. The Children
We have just saved Lunamon and the little ones from their very first battle, by being our totally insane battle-self, they are probably scared as fuck at the moment, so do we really want to traumatize them even further by loading a Digimon in front of them
Especially Lunamon, who probably has a similar break down to Verge's own when he found out that Gnaw killed that Hawkmon
Then there is Tresh, who we explicit try to turn away from the path of the battle crazy murdermon that his instincts point him at,
Drexal already pointed out that Tresh already has decided that he likes us more now that we committed murder in front of him
Do we really even further encourage that line of thinking?

2. Our friends
Despite fighting many battles and sometimes killing our enemies, none of our friends ever loaded another digimon, not Gramps when he killed that Woodmon, despite the boost it would have provided him with due being a proper champion, nor Gnaw, who was by far the most cruel and merciless among our friends
What tells us this?
Well that neither Gramps nor Gnaw or anybody else, ever knew about loading, which is pretty much BS given that it is part of our instincts,
Or maybe, far more likely that it is frowned up upon to load another Digimon, because it cheapens the death of the other mon, by simple becoming food for the stronger one
What do you guys believe Auger would think, who came so close to death himself, if he watched Verge loading another Digimon, like it was the most natural thing to do?

3. Flamemon
This guy, whom we promised to Help become the greatest hero across the lands, yet to whom we never committed a helpful actions towards unless we couldn't help it, yet who holds us in so high regards and whom in turn Verge holds in so high regards
Do you honestly he would accept us loading another Digimon for petty strength, especially when it could be acquired another more honest and less violent way ?
Do you honestly think he would want that, when he even tried to spare an enemy instead of deleting him for being a true threat to his home and friends, somebody who holds life in such a high regard?

4.Verge
Verge himself already suffered once a break down from killing another mon, who are you to say that the same will not happen again, by cheapening death to such a degree, at a time where we can be ill afforded to be distracted like that

You say that this is the save option, but is it really all these risks worth?
Especially when it is just the Data of a Numemon, a Digimon, whose stats were so terrible that is failed its evolution and was forced into this form,
Which by Drexals own admittance has an even lower potential then we have

Do you really think we will gain anything meaningful from this that couldn't be gained any other way or that it will be truly be powerful enough to turn the tides of this battle?
 
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