Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)

Flight would mostly be convenience. I can't think of anything flying could do outright better than her space warping in a combat setting, but for things like keeping up with fliers on patrol or crossing the city for an emergency? So good.
That's, one, active. And two, literally what spacial warping does even better than flight.
 
*No Kayleigh or Laura though. We've been over that. No.
We've had long arguments over how that's a bad idea. Drop it.

"We've had long arguments on the merits of this idea, it is canonical and well-established that Taylor is socially inept and can't afford to throw away her very limited pool of friends. Drop it."

Look, I can fiat command the only way allowable to vote too!! Its almost like this is a vote and not your fanfic.

Oooor, we can stick to voting and discussing issues politely, and not demanding people comply to your personal view on things?

why do you think the TSAB will agree to do this? They are virulently into non-interference.

How is it interference with Earth-Beta to recruit Epoch and take him far away from Earth-Beta for enforcer training or a degree at wherever Precia studied and worked? Which is to say, theres at least one entirely viable route for getting Epoch and Maclibuin training, and thats to remember that one or both of them care about magic and not a whole bloody lot about the petty matters of Earth :p

I already know what spell she would want hands-down no questions asked, and it doesn't even interfere with her shard ability.

Flight? Adorable Mascot Guardian Beast? Transformation Sequence Barrier Jacket? Theres plenty of passive ways to be a proper magical girl without any active-concentration attacks that compete with her shard power. (Also ninja'd separately for each guess by others xD ) (Edit: And by QM clarifying Jacket is active IF deviceless, along with active flight, oh well)

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-[X] Plot: Close Encounters of the Third Kind
--[X] Convene with PS about revelations made last time we interacted with TSAB, maybe other things. Have Dragon on the line for actual conversation, and convene about raiding the hoard afterwards.

-[X] Plot: Tickets to Gangland
--[X] Sit next to Vista and confer on hanging out
--[X] Don't be a wallflower if you see others of relevance

-[X] Social: Dragon
--[X] Loot the Dragon(slayer) Hoard!
--[X] Bring Tim and Dragon along as well.

-[X] Social: Vista
--[X] And Kayleigh and Cailleach! If manageable
--[X] Sound out Vista, to decide whether its a Missy(Kayleigh/Laura) slumberparty or a Vista/Kayleigh/(Cailleach?) hangout , dependant on her inclination to help with a project or meet your other friends in civvies
--[X] Scan the present friends for a Linker Core, offer template or device or deviceless-training as suitable after discussing

@Silently Watches , I don't envy you the task of counting these votes later with how people are varying on the names. Hope my format is easy enough, but it raises a question. How will you handle it if say I vote for Social with the Vista/Kayleigh/Cailleach , and AlwaysLate votes for social with Vista only? Are those counting separately, or is it acceptable to make the add-ons subvotes that may or may not carry the way I did? Is there a better way to handle that sort of issue?
 
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That's, one, active. And two, literally what spacial warping does even better than flight.

Am I misremembering the scene with her huffing a bit to keep up with a flier teammate when Calamity shows up, and then muttering nasty things about fliers? D:


Ahhh, I'm sorry! DX
I wanted to be funny with social event names and probably made it worse.

Then again, I think it was always going to be bad, with all the subvotes people add in.
 
[X] Close Encounters of the Third Kind
--[X]Convene with PS about revelations made last time we interacted with TSAB, maybe other things. Have Dragon on the line for actual conversation, and convene about raiding the hoard afterwards.
[X] Long Live the King, Part 2
[X]Social – Vista-Slumberdome.
--[X]You just want to take some relaxing global sight-seeing time with your friend via teleporting. And a Slumber Party. Where you give her the new arm.
[X] Social – Raid the Dragonslayer Base
--[X]Bring Tim and Dragon along as well.

I'm all for this plan, also on the topic of vista and magic, it's unlikely she'd have an absurdly powerful linker core and if was given a device wouldn't she therefore be less effective? I mean she is literally a space warper, a few minutes of preparation and people are screwed by running into a brain melting worthy maze of 'reality? What that' or at least she'll be that powerful as she gets better and better, I mean, I might be wrong but don't mages have a kind of hard limit in their capacity as mages? As evidenced by the ranking system they're using, I just don't think the payoff would worth the cost
Adhoc vote count started by Mellodi on Feb 9, 2018 at 7:11 PM, finished with 39 posts and 14 votes.

  • [X] Social – Raid the Dragonslayer Base
    --[X]Bring Tim and Dragon along as well.
    [X] Close Encounters of the Third Kind
    --[X]Convene with PS about revelations made last time we interacted with TSAB, maybe other things. Have Dragon on the line for actual conversation, and convene about raiding the hoard afterwards.
    [X]Social – Vista-Slumberdome.
    --[X]You just want to take some relaxing global sight-seeing time with your friend via teleporting. And a Slumber Party. Where you give her the new arm.
    [X] Long Live the King, Part 2
    [X] Tickets to Gangland, Part 2 – The immigrant gang issues are worse than you first thought, to the point there are rumors that the Protectorate is calling in reinforcements. Lo and behold, they're soon to hold a press conference. Check it out and see if it's anyone you know.
    [X] Operation Slumberdome (Sleepover or other get together with Vista. Give her the new arm, offer to scan her for magic, watch some movies and talk about why boys are icky, or whatever supergirls do)
    [X]Social – Vista-Slumberdome.
    --[X]You just want to take some relaxing global sight-seeing time with your friend via teleporting. And a Slumber Party. Girls still do that, right?
    [X] Close Encounters of the Third Kind
    [X] Close Encounters of the Third Kind
    -[X] Recap previous call with PS
    -[X] Include Dragon
    --[X] Set up for HtTYM
    --[X] Set up for HbD
    [X] Dragon(slayer's Base).
    [X] Vista.
    [X] Tickets to Gangland, Part 2
    [X] How to Train Your Mages
    -[X] Bring Enforcers if allowed
    [X] Here be Dragons
    -[X] Bring Tim
    --[X] Set up for LLtK2
    [X] Tickets to Gangland
    [X] Tickets to Gangland
    -[X] Sit next to Vista
    [X] Hang out with Perfect Storm, Samantha and Tim- discuss your recent findings about Galea.
    [X] Long Live the King, Part 2 – Hooray for internal power struggles! Right? …No? Okay. You don't have the political capital to sway this situation on your own, but everyone says what matters isn't what you know but who you know. Get Kurt, Alexander, and some others behind closed doors and see if that helps.
    [X] Close Encounters of the Third Kind – The Enforcers captured you then let you go with an apology, but you have to wonder just what in the world was really going on. Call up your friend the Admiral and grill him for a little more detail.
    [X] Close Encounters of the Third Kind – The Enforcers captured you then let you go with an apology, but you have to wonder just what in the world was really going on. Call up your friend the Admiral and grill him for a little more detail.
    -[X] Get Dragon in on the conversation if possible.
    [X] Tickets to Gangland, Part 2 – The immigrant gang issues are worse than you first thought, to the point there are rumors that the Protectorate is calling in reinforcements. Lo and behold, they're soon to hold a press conference. Check it out and see if it's anyone you know.
    -[X] Hang out with Vista on the conference.
    [X] Here be Dragons
    -[X] Plot: Close Encounters of the Third Kind
    --[X]Convene with PS about revelations made last time we interacted with TSAB, maybe other things. Have Dragon on the line for actual conversation, and convene about raiding the hoard afterwards.
    -[X] Plot: Tickets to Gangland
    --[X] Sit next to Vista and confer on hanging out
    --[X] Don't be a wallflower if you see others of relevance
    -[X] Social: Dragon
    --[X] Loot the Dragon(slayer) Hoard!
    --[X]Bring Tim and Dragon along as well.
    -[X] Social: Vista
    --[X] And Kayleigh and Cailleach! If manageable
    --[X] Sound out Vista, to decide whether its a Missy(Kayleigh/Laura) slumberparty or a Vista/Kayleigh/(Cailleach?) hangout , dependant on her inclination to help with a project or meet your other friends in civvies
    --[X] Scan the present friends for a Linker Core, offer template or device or deviceless-training as suitable after discussing
 
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"We've had long arguments on the merits of this idea, it is canonical and well-established that Taylor is socially inept and can't afford to throw away her very limited pool of friends. Drop it."

Look, I can fiat command the only way allowable to vote too!! Its almost like this is a vote and not your fanfic.

Oooor, we can stick to voting and discussing issues politely, and not demanding people comply to your personal view on things?
One, up until just a few minutes ago I had evidence making Vista a mage wouldn't be a good idea. If folks are going to ignore what's been said before and try to pass off, in your own words, 'their own personal view on things' as what'll happen? No I am not going to just sit back and let them lead others astray.
Two, there hasn't been much on the way of facts on the supporting side of the Kay/Laura sleepover.

You've been here more or less as long as I have, and we both know the quest's had constant issues with people not checking the FAQ or doing basic research, to the QM's displeasure. I'm doing something about that. If you want to be the always-polite, impartial encyclopedia of all QM comments and discussion records, I would be over the moon. But, until then I'll be making strongly-worded arguments and be upfront and apologetic when I get things wrong.
How is it interference with Earth-Beta to recruit Epoch and take him far away from Earth-Beta for enforcer training or a degree at wherever Precia studied and worked? Which is to say, theres at least one entirely viable route for getting Epoch and Maclibuin training, and thats to remember that one or both of them care about magic and not a whole bloody lot about the petty matters of Earth :p
Well, you're right that it wouldn't be interference. It just makes a different problem: Getting them back to TSAB space, or them going on a TSAB ship.
Am I misremembering the scene with her huffing a bit to keep up with a flier teammate when Calamity shows up, and then muttering nasty things about fliers? D:
Hm... true, her ability to move through her warps is based on her Manton limit. In a big urban environment, she probably is limited to making shorter tunnels and roof-running, rather than taking her instantly there.
 
[X] Tickets to Gangland, Part 2 – The immigrant gang issues are worse than you first thought, to the point there are rumors that the Protectorate is calling in reinforcements. Lo and behold, they're soon to hold a press conference. Check it out and see if it's anyone you know.
-[X] Hang out with Vista on the conference.
[X] Close Encounters of the Third Kind – The Enforcers captured you then let you go with an apology, but you have to wonder just what in the world was really going on. Call up your friend the Admiral and grill him for a little more detail.
-[X] Get Dragon in on the conversation if possible.

[X]Social – Vista-Slumberdome.
--[X]You just want to take some relaxing global sight-seeing time with your friend via teleporting. And a Slumber Party. Girls still do that, right?
[X] Social – Raid the Dragonslayer Base
--[X]Bring Tim and Dragon along as well.
 
And another vote goes by where we don't scan Missy because of dumb reasons.
I know. I hate it when voter inertia/bandwagoning builds up. I'd be more than happy to edit the social vote... but I know I can't get everyone on the same page, so all that'd do is make it more likley neither option wins.
After all, we need a 50% count for subvotes to win. Vote-splitting of any kind is just about a death sentence.
 
Option 1: Scan Missy, don't find a core. NOTHING IS LOST
Option 2: Scan Missy, find a core, she shrugs and does nothing about it. NOTHING IS CHANGED
Option 3: Scan Missy, find a core, offer and have accepted deviceless training. Worry about tactics, nothing permanent lost
3a. She has years and years more experience at Hero-ing than Taylor and more than many adults, she knows when to use and not use tricks
3b. She decides to try using a flashy trick instead of her reliable powers
Option 4: Scan missy, find a core, she insists on device or template.
4a. Refuse, argue the superiority of her shard powers, ???
4b. Give her one, results vary wildly on strength of her core and presence of any random Rare Skill

Two of the options (the first statistically most likely, if no narrative weighting) have nothing at all change but now we know, and were able to act on fullest information. Two of the options rely basically on how much we trust Vista's experience and competency (which the QM just made a point to reassure on if you had doubts) and whether we want to try to control and micromanage her.

While yes, tactical players may well want to do exactly that for best results, I wonder if they apply that in all cases (QM has expressed their own views on say trustworthyness of unscanned-potential Kayleigh, and without IC and OOC emotion and pure tactics an extra mage with no shard to worry about would be high value) , and I certainly wonder if Vista is going to start wondering why we've never offered if she learns that Taylor is functionally a support Trump with little or no strings (any evidence PS tampered with Tim the way he did Samantha?)

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@Always Late , are you saying you haven't read any of my arguments, or that you find them non-factual, or weak arguments?

1. I've suggested the value of Kayleigh as another warm-body-linkercore
2. I've suggested how giving her a cape identity for us and a present-for-scanning friend to know would subtly level the playing field without directly aggressing over it so as to relieve tension in the relationship
3. I've brought up the issue of Taylors extremely limited and precarious friend pool (She almost lost Vista to neglect once already) and I don't think we've had any arguments on the psychological benefits of a trusted sounding board/comrade (even if 65% ? parameter updated Taylor lacking QA-conflict is hard to speculate on psychological stability since Worm canon becomes suspect)
4. The QM commented on their view of Kayleigh's trustworthyness (they were the one to bring up the point of her lingering to try and FIND AND HELP US FLEE at the party attack) and decisionmaking, I've repeated those bits of evidence while pointing out that she kept Cailleach's secret all this time with no apparent leaks

If we want to talk a lack of facts, how about at least one "Never Again Kayleigh" voter outright admitting that there is no act or evidence that will ever change their stance on her?
 
[X] Close Encounters of the Third Kind
--[X]Convene with PS about revelations made last time we interacted with TSAB, maybe other things. Have Dragon on the line for actual conversation, and convene about raiding the hoard afterwards.
[X] Long Live the King, Part 2
[X]Social – Vista-Slumberdome.
--[X]You just want to take some relaxing global sight-seeing time with your friend via teleporting. And a Slumber Party. Girls still do that, right?
[X] Social – Raid the Dragonslayer Base
--[X]Bring Tim and Dragon along as well.
 
I think you're getting so worked up over the lack of a scan, which I am sorry for not getting in before, that you failed to mention the recent comment which narrowed down whether or not Vista has a Linker Core and what very specific spell she'd use. It's an open-shut case now, nothing needing a lengthy debate over anymore.
@Always Late , are you saying you haven't read any of my arguments, or that you find them non-factual, or weak arguments?
Oh, those arguments. Not the ones I was referring to, I should have phrased that better. Sorry about that, I've clearly made you upset. I've been specifically referring to the slumber party and getting those two in with Vista for one.
If we want to talk a lack of facts, how about at least one "Never Again Kayleigh" voter outright admitting that there is no act or evidence that will ever change their stance on her?
I believe the thread Nui already has you covered./joke
 
@Silently Watches , I don't envy you the task of counting these votes later with how people are varying on the names. Hope my format is easy enough, but it raises a question. How will you handle it if say I vote for Social with the Vista/Kayleigh/Cailleach , and AlwaysLate votes for social with Vista only? Are those counting separately, or is it acceptable to make the add-ons subvotes that may or may not carry the way I did? Is there a better way to handle that sort of issue?
For the slumber party vote, I'm probably going to count a Vista/Kayleigh/Laura vote as both a Vista vote and a Kayleigh/Laura vote.

Tallying this thing is going to be a bloody mess, I just know it. There will probably be a summary of what wins because there's no way I'll be able to just combine different votes.
 
[X] Close Encounters of the Third Kind – The Enforcers captured you then let you go with an apology, but you have to wonder just what in the world was really going on. Call up your friend the Admiral and grill him for a little more detail.
-Have Dragon involved in some way if possible.​
[X] Tickets to Gangland, Part 2
– The immigrant gang issues are worse than you first thought, to the point there are rumors that the Protectorate is calling in reinforcements. Lo and behold, they're soon to hold a press conference. Check it out and see if it's anyone you know.

[X]Social – Vista-Slumberdome.
--[X]You just want to take some relaxing global sight-seeing time with your friend via teleporting. And a Slumber Party. Girls still do that, right?
[X] Social – Raid the Dragonslayer Base
--[X]Bring Tim and Dragon along as well.
 
For the slumber party vote, I'm probably going to count a Vista/Kayleigh/Laura vote as both a Vista vote and a Kayleigh/Laura vote.

Tallying this thing is going to be a bloody mess, I just know it. There will probably be a summary of what wins because there's no way I'll be able to just combine different votes.
In the future, may I reccomend using bracketed topics? Like so:
[X][plot]
[X][social]
That way, the tally system delineates between what's meant for one side and the other. And going from free write-in subvotes to some limited-but-not-expansive option list would also help things.
 
-[X] Plot: Close Encounters of the Third Kind
--[X] Convene with PS about revelations made last time we interacted with TSAB, maybe other things. Have Dragon on the line for actual conversation, and convene about raiding the hoard afterwards.

-[X] Plot: Tickets to Gangland
--[X] Sit next to Vista and confer on hanging out
--[X] Don't be a wallflower if you see others of relevance

-[X] Social: Dragon
--[X] Loot the Dragon(slayer) Hoard!
--[X] Bring Tim and Dragon along as well.

-[X] Social: Vista
--[X] And Kayleigh and Cailleach! If manageable
--[X] Sound out Vista, to decide whether its a Missy(Kayleigh/Laura) slumberparty or a Vista/Kayleigh/(Cailleach?) hangout , dependant on her inclination to help with a project or meet your other friends in civvies
--[X] Scan the present friends for a Linker Core, offer template or device or deviceless-training as suitable after discussing
 
I've been specifically referring to the slumber party and getting those two in with Vista for one.

My current vote (and discussion beforehand, which got limited response) leaves open whether its a cozy slumber party, or a rooftop meeting in costume, or anything else.

I also DID make arguments for why Laura and Kayleigh might attend a group event (movies? another party like the last one? arcade?) with Missy, and how to explain we know Missy. Its not clear how much we've hung out with Kayleigh outside of School off-screen but we obviously never met this one friend of hers, and likewise she hasn't met ours. Shared BB origin gives options for association even before the goldmine that is "shared refugee status" and specifically one where you might plausibly have been sitting around quarantine for hours. FFS we might've literally been standing in line together and talked about magical girl anime and hit it off xD , no need to jump to conclusions about cape-dom. Also, two years apart isn't a significant difference (worm start says 13 and 15, even if Taylor was freshman in high school at Worm Start its plausible she might've encountered Missy in middle school or somesuch? No idea if Missy went to fancy Arcadia or whatever.

For the slumber party vote, I'm probably going to count a Vista/Kayleigh/Laura vote as both a Vista vote and a Kayleigh/Laura vote.

Do you hear that Sleepover-voters? Theres no vote splitting consequences if you want to give friendship a chance! No need for bandwagons here!
*hugs for Omniatrix, will not fight atop this hill alone*
 
Do you hear that Sleepover-voters? Theres no vote splitting consequences if you want to give friendship a chance! No need for bandwagons here!
*hugs for Omniatrix, will not fight atop this hill alone*
I still do not understand why, if Kayleigh has a Linker Core, you want to offer her power when her decision making and wisdom has proven lacking wrt us. :???:

[X] Close Encounters of the Third Kind
--[X]Convene with PS about revelations made last time we interacted with TSAB, maybe other things. Have Dragon on the line for actual conversation, and convene about raiding the hoard afterwards.

[X] Tickets to Gangland, Part 2
--[X] Hang out with Vista on the conference.

[X]Social – Vista-Slumberdome.
--[X]You just want to take some relaxing global sight-seeing time with your friend via teleporting. And a Slumber Party. Where you give her the new arm.
[X] Social – Raid the Dragonslayer Base
--[X]Bring Tim and Dragon along as well.
 
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meh, sounds reasonable.

[X] Close Encounters of the Third Kind
--[X]Convene with PS about revelations made last time we interacted with TSAB, maybe other things. Have Dragon on the line for actual conversation, and convene about raiding the hoard afterwards.
[X] Long Live the King, Part 2
[X]Social – Vista-Slumberdome.
--[X]You just want to take some relaxing global sight-seeing time with your friend via teleporting. And a Slumber Party. Where you give her the new arm.
[X] Social – Raid the Dragonslayer Base
--[X]Bring Tim and Dragon along as well.
I still do not understand why, if Kayleigh has a Linker Core, you want to offer her power when her decision making and wisdom has proven lacking wrt us. :???:
because most shonen protags have....lacking...wisdom and they do just fine?
 
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-[X] Plot: Close Encounters of the Third Kind
--[X] Convene with PS about revelations made last time we interacted with TSAB, maybe other things. Have Dragon on the line for actual conversation, and convene about raiding the hoard afterwards.

-[X] Plot: Tickets to Gangland
--[X] Sit next to Vista and confer on hanging out
--[X] Don't be a wallflower if you see others of relevance

-[X] Social: Dragon
--[X] Loot the Dragon(slayer) Hoard!
--[X] Bring Tim and Dragon along as well.

-[X] Social: Vista
--[X] And Kayleigh and Cailleach! If manageable
--[X] Sound out Vista, to decide whether its a Missy(Kayleigh/Laura) slumberparty or a Vista/Kayleigh/(Cailleach?) hangout , dependant on her inclination to help with a project or meet your other friends in civvies
--[X] Scan the present friends for a Linker Core, offer template or device or deviceless-training as suitable after discussing


The entire thing about DELIBERATELY not knowing whether they have potential is ridiculous. We're not talking about removing her powers. Vista is basically the perfect candidate for a deviceless mage IF she is interested in putting the time in(and well, theres also unison devices which work extra well with that).
 
[X] Close Encounters of the Third Kind
--[X]Convene with PS about revelations made last time we interacted with TSAB, maybe other things. Have Dragon on the line for actual conversation, and convene about raiding the hoard afterwards.
[X] Long Live the King, Part 2
[X]Social – Vista-Slumberdome.
--[X]You just want to take some relaxing global sight-seeing time with your friend via teleporting. And a Slumber Party. Girls still do that, right?
[X] Social – Raid the Dragonslayer Base
--[X]Bring Tim and Dragon along as well.
 
[X] Close Encounters of the Third Kind
--[X]Convene with PS about revelations made last time we interacted with TSAB, maybe other things. Have Dragon on the line for actual conversation, and convene about raiding the hoard afterwards.
[X] Plot: Tickets to Gangland
[X]Social – Vista-Slumberdome.
--[X]You just want to take some relaxing global sight-seeing time with your friend via teleporting. And a Slumber Party. Girls still do that, right?
[X] Social – Raid the Dragonslayer Base
--[X]Bring Tim and Dragon along as well.
 
[X] Close Encounters of the Third Kind
--[X]Convene with PS about revelations made last time we interacted with TSAB, maybe other things. Have Dragon on the line for actual conversation, and convene about raiding the hoard afterwards.
[X] Long Live the King, Part 2
[X]Social – Vista-Slumberdome.
--[X]You just want to take some relaxing global sight-seeing time with your friend via teleporting. And a Slumber Party. Where you give her the new arm.
[X] Social – Raid the Dragonslayer Base
--[X]Bring Tim and Dragon along as well.
 
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