Krazyfan1
Worrying for the future.
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Salem wrote books? I would have thought that would be hard to do with paws....
anyone else read that in their favorite fictional vampires voice?
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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- Argentina
So, when I said I was gonna take a break from reading this fic I wasn't kidding, still catching up with what I missed. Meanwhile, anyone wants more Mad Science Paul, also know as Frank Jr omakes?
Ganurath
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- A Valid Location
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Well, yeah, but I suspect you weren't talking about my Vampire: the Requiem character.
Personally? No.
Triumph of the Will (part 4)
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- Hampden Park
9th April
16:03 GMT +1
Mister Queen winces. "Youch."
"Now, the first thing you'll note-."
Guy grins. "Is that Lanterns rule."
I think about glaring at him, but Jordan and John do it for me. "Power rings are both powerful and highly adaptable. However, you'll note that the three of you score below average as criminal investigators. Like me, you either brute force it or assist local authorities with their investigation."
"Ah." Mister Queen points. "Can we.. talk about that for a minute? I feel like I'm kinda getting short changed there."
"Of course, sir. You are -by League standards- a reasonable criminal investigator. You are competent at handling low to mid powered supervillains or moderately well armed gang members in open combat, but the weapons you prefer to use are too weak to do much to higher powered ones, to say nothing of invading starships. Your ability to assist in -for example- an earthquake isn't significantly different to that of a reasonably athletic Human." I raise my hands. "If anyone wants to complain to me about their particular scores, they can do so later after they've read the full report. The point is, everyone…" I look at Mister O'Brian. "-with the possible exception of Plastic Man- could be doing something better."
His grin extends beyond the boundaries of his face. "Thank you, thank you."
"In designation order, Superman. You're noticeably vulnerable to a grand total of three things. I know Kryptonians had personal radiation shields. I know you know that I made one for Superboy. Is there a particular reason why you don't wear one?"
"Kryptonite isn't as common as people seem to think. Until recently I didn't run into it more than once a year." He nods. "But I understand what you're saying. I'm just not used to carrying equipment."
"I strongly suggest amending that policy, sir. Similarly, I'm going to suggest that everyone order a Spell Eater from the Poseidonis Conservatory of Sorcery… Apart from-" I turn to Nabu. "-Nabu. I'm not sure how it would interact with your innate magics sir, but if you'd like to pay a visit to the laboratory we can check that for you."
"That will not be necessary. I will see to my own protections."
"Alright then." I turn back to Mister Kent. "I don't know what information you have on Kryptonian technology, but I've never seen you exploit it other than to build your Fortress. Krypton was a spacefaring civilisation that chose isolationism. Depending on what Jor-El left you, there may be any number of things that could improve League capacities."
"Most of what he left me was cultural and historical records. But I don't mind taking another look through."
"Thank you, sir. Batman, I'm going to assume that your position on Human augmentation hasn't changed since last time I mentioned the possibility to you?"
"It has not."
Batman's score looks like he was min-maxing and did so more efficiently than Mister Queen. His investigative abilities are high and his ability to donate large amount of money to disaster relief charities means that he's quite good at those as well. His vast plethora of equipment, tactical and strategic acumen means that he's basically never useless in combat, no matter how powerful the opponent. Not much use in space, though. He has a spacecraft but it would die in seconds to just about anything that might actually pick a fight with it, and the warheads on the missiles aren't really anything special.
"Then my main recommendation is this: currently, you take receipt of all intelligence material which police agencies around the world pass to the League. You handle most diplomatic relationships. If a Gotham thug with an AK Forty Seven gets lucky tonight and you're seriously injured or killed, no one else is trained to do that."
"There are procedures in place to handle that in the event of my death."
"But no one's had enough practice. There would be a noticeable drop off in performance."
He inclines his head slightly. "Your suggestion?"
"No one on the League-" I don't look at the Hawks, just in case. "-has a background in intelligence. But, Hawkman and Martian Manhunter both worked with their respective homeworlds' police forces before coming here and are probably your best bets if you want to train someone up. Alternatively, you could consider either recruiting a civilian staff to handle it or a superhero who has worked in intelligence."
"You wouldn't-" Guy makes a face as he languidly waves his right arm in my general direction. "-happen to know one, would you?"
"Possibly. Unfortunately, the Brazilian intelligence services have either destroyed the records or found a way to block long ranged power ring intrusion. If that's the route you wish to take, sir, Fire may well have the skills required."
"I'll talk to the SNI about getting her records released."
"I've also taken the liberty of creating a full list of everything I'm doing with Mister Kord, Io and Sephtian in case you wish to add anything we're making to your arsenal. Please bear in mind that the list is only correct at the time of writing." Slight inclination of the head. "Finally, I would strongly recommend integrating a kinetic belt into your standard equipment. Most of your injuries while on active duty have been from kinetic attacks that it could deal with easily. Wonder Woman."
A slight rise in her left eyebrow. "You appear to think that my investigative skills could do with improvement."
"No. Well, yes, but complex criminal investigations have never been your focus and I'm not sure that all the extra training it would take to get you up to the level of some of your colleagues would meaningfully help either you or the League. If it's an area you wish to go into, you might be better off waiting until we've tested the medium term effects of G-Gnome knowledge transfers and just use one of those."
Mister Queen unslumps slightly. "Sounds like you're getting off lightly."
"I had originally been planning to nudge you about the armour again. Since that's no longer necessary I sent a basket of fruit, a bunch of flowers and a signed copy of All Star Comics issue three to Richard Swift in thanks." And wasn't getting that a pain in the arse. The Society sold the rights to allowing a slightly edited version of their travails to be sold to the general public, but they weren't anything as widely distributed as their modern equivalents. A few Leaguers frown in puzzlement at my comment while Diana just sighs. "Instead, I'm going to encourage you to consider increasing your use of equipment and to think about what you might like to use in future that doesn't currently exist. The lasso is excellent for gathering information and binding people but there have been a number of occasions… Even just since you joined the League, where something a bit more lethal would have been helpful and still not violated the League's restrictions on the use of lethal force."
"I'm sure that Philippus will be delighted that I'm practicing my sword drill again."
"While we're on the subject of lethal force, may I draw your collective attention to the incongruity of allowing the utter destruction of artificial intelligences and the undead while having synthetic and undead League members?" It takes a few moments for some of my superiors to work out who the 'vitally challenged' League member is, then Nabu receives a gratifying number of uncomfortable glances. "Particularly in light of the 'Citizenship Recognition Act' currently being debated in the American Senate?" The only real hold up came as a result of lobbying from tech companies who wanted some sort of security in case they created a true artificial intelligence by accident while studying intelligent systems. Their original request to be able to charge an AI the cost of creating it was shot down in short order, but they did negotiate immunity from prosecution as long as they took reasonable steps to confirm that whatever they were working on wasn't intelligent.
"I would appreciate it." Red Tornado doesn't have a particularly great range of intonation, but he makes the best of what he has.
"Flash. I'd like to spend some time with you examining the extent to which you can imbue or steal speed into different objects. I'd also like you to experiment with a subspace arsenal. At the speeds you can move there's little need for you to physically punch someone when a paralysis collar can render them harmless just as fast and far more safely."
"I haven't used weapons before because I'd have trouble keeping them at my speed. But if you've got a way around that, I'm all for it."
"Lantern Jordan." Who has the lowest rating of the three of the local Greenies. And whose bristling suggests that he's noticed. "I strongly suggest that you start coming to our training sessions."
"I'll see if I can make time."
John turns his head to face him. "I've actually found it really useful."
"Thank you, sir. Sirs. Aquaman."
16:03 GMT +1
Mister Queen winces. "Youch."
"Now, the first thing you'll note-."
Guy grins. "Is that Lanterns rule."
I think about glaring at him, but Jordan and John do it for me. "Power rings are both powerful and highly adaptable. However, you'll note that the three of you score below average as criminal investigators. Like me, you either brute force it or assist local authorities with their investigation."
"Ah." Mister Queen points. "Can we.. talk about that for a minute? I feel like I'm kinda getting short changed there."
"Of course, sir. You are -by League standards- a reasonable criminal investigator. You are competent at handling low to mid powered supervillains or moderately well armed gang members in open combat, but the weapons you prefer to use are too weak to do much to higher powered ones, to say nothing of invading starships. Your ability to assist in -for example- an earthquake isn't significantly different to that of a reasonably athletic Human." I raise my hands. "If anyone wants to complain to me about their particular scores, they can do so later after they've read the full report. The point is, everyone…" I look at Mister O'Brian. "-with the possible exception of Plastic Man- could be doing something better."
His grin extends beyond the boundaries of his face. "Thank you, thank you."
"In designation order, Superman. You're noticeably vulnerable to a grand total of three things. I know Kryptonians had personal radiation shields. I know you know that I made one for Superboy. Is there a particular reason why you don't wear one?"
"Kryptonite isn't as common as people seem to think. Until recently I didn't run into it more than once a year." He nods. "But I understand what you're saying. I'm just not used to carrying equipment."
"I strongly suggest amending that policy, sir. Similarly, I'm going to suggest that everyone order a Spell Eater from the Poseidonis Conservatory of Sorcery… Apart from-" I turn to Nabu. "-Nabu. I'm not sure how it would interact with your innate magics sir, but if you'd like to pay a visit to the laboratory we can check that for you."
"That will not be necessary. I will see to my own protections."
"Alright then." I turn back to Mister Kent. "I don't know what information you have on Kryptonian technology, but I've never seen you exploit it other than to build your Fortress. Krypton was a spacefaring civilisation that chose isolationism. Depending on what Jor-El left you, there may be any number of things that could improve League capacities."
"Most of what he left me was cultural and historical records. But I don't mind taking another look through."
"Thank you, sir. Batman, I'm going to assume that your position on Human augmentation hasn't changed since last time I mentioned the possibility to you?"
"It has not."
Batman's score looks like he was min-maxing and did so more efficiently than Mister Queen. His investigative abilities are high and his ability to donate large amount of money to disaster relief charities means that he's quite good at those as well. His vast plethora of equipment, tactical and strategic acumen means that he's basically never useless in combat, no matter how powerful the opponent. Not much use in space, though. He has a spacecraft but it would die in seconds to just about anything that might actually pick a fight with it, and the warheads on the missiles aren't really anything special.
"Then my main recommendation is this: currently, you take receipt of all intelligence material which police agencies around the world pass to the League. You handle most diplomatic relationships. If a Gotham thug with an AK Forty Seven gets lucky tonight and you're seriously injured or killed, no one else is trained to do that."
"There are procedures in place to handle that in the event of my death."
"But no one's had enough practice. There would be a noticeable drop off in performance."
He inclines his head slightly. "Your suggestion?"
"No one on the League-" I don't look at the Hawks, just in case. "-has a background in intelligence. But, Hawkman and Martian Manhunter both worked with their respective homeworlds' police forces before coming here and are probably your best bets if you want to train someone up. Alternatively, you could consider either recruiting a civilian staff to handle it or a superhero who has worked in intelligence."
"You wouldn't-" Guy makes a face as he languidly waves his right arm in my general direction. "-happen to know one, would you?"
"Possibly. Unfortunately, the Brazilian intelligence services have either destroyed the records or found a way to block long ranged power ring intrusion. If that's the route you wish to take, sir, Fire may well have the skills required."
"I'll talk to the SNI about getting her records released."
"I've also taken the liberty of creating a full list of everything I'm doing with Mister Kord, Io and Sephtian in case you wish to add anything we're making to your arsenal. Please bear in mind that the list is only correct at the time of writing." Slight inclination of the head. "Finally, I would strongly recommend integrating a kinetic belt into your standard equipment. Most of your injuries while on active duty have been from kinetic attacks that it could deal with easily. Wonder Woman."
A slight rise in her left eyebrow. "You appear to think that my investigative skills could do with improvement."
"No. Well, yes, but complex criminal investigations have never been your focus and I'm not sure that all the extra training it would take to get you up to the level of some of your colleagues would meaningfully help either you or the League. If it's an area you wish to go into, you might be better off waiting until we've tested the medium term effects of G-Gnome knowledge transfers and just use one of those."
Mister Queen unslumps slightly. "Sounds like you're getting off lightly."
"I had originally been planning to nudge you about the armour again. Since that's no longer necessary I sent a basket of fruit, a bunch of flowers and a signed copy of All Star Comics issue three to Richard Swift in thanks." And wasn't getting that a pain in the arse. The Society sold the rights to allowing a slightly edited version of their travails to be sold to the general public, but they weren't anything as widely distributed as their modern equivalents. A few Leaguers frown in puzzlement at my comment while Diana just sighs. "Instead, I'm going to encourage you to consider increasing your use of equipment and to think about what you might like to use in future that doesn't currently exist. The lasso is excellent for gathering information and binding people but there have been a number of occasions… Even just since you joined the League, where something a bit more lethal would have been helpful and still not violated the League's restrictions on the use of lethal force."
"I'm sure that Philippus will be delighted that I'm practicing my sword drill again."
"While we're on the subject of lethal force, may I draw your collective attention to the incongruity of allowing the utter destruction of artificial intelligences and the undead while having synthetic and undead League members?" It takes a few moments for some of my superiors to work out who the 'vitally challenged' League member is, then Nabu receives a gratifying number of uncomfortable glances. "Particularly in light of the 'Citizenship Recognition Act' currently being debated in the American Senate?" The only real hold up came as a result of lobbying from tech companies who wanted some sort of security in case they created a true artificial intelligence by accident while studying intelligent systems. Their original request to be able to charge an AI the cost of creating it was shot down in short order, but they did negotiate immunity from prosecution as long as they took reasonable steps to confirm that whatever they were working on wasn't intelligent.
"I would appreciate it." Red Tornado doesn't have a particularly great range of intonation, but he makes the best of what he has.
"Flash. I'd like to spend some time with you examining the extent to which you can imbue or steal speed into different objects. I'd also like you to experiment with a subspace arsenal. At the speeds you can move there's little need for you to physically punch someone when a paralysis collar can render them harmless just as fast and far more safely."
"I haven't used weapons before because I'd have trouble keeping them at my speed. But if you've got a way around that, I'm all for it."
"Lantern Jordan." Who has the lowest rating of the three of the local Greenies. And whose bristling suggests that he's noticed. "I strongly suggest that you start coming to our training sessions."
"I'll see if I can make time."
John turns his head to face him. "I've actually found it really useful."
"Thank you, sir. Sirs. Aquaman."
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Rem
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It's been a while since the radiation shields were first introduced; was it confirmed that they don't block out sunlight, or just implied?
Wouldn't that stop Superman from absorbing any new yellow sun radiation?
Empiricist2
Let's play doctor!
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- Baton Rouge
Eh? Mind explaining why he in particular is near perfect?
Kryptonite radiation, ultrasonics, red sun radiation?
Assuming that the next update isn't solely going through the rest of the League, any more interesting analyses you'd like to summarize for us? I'm kinda interested in how Guy and Martian Manhunter are rated, but I'm sure there are others people would like to see.
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Massgamer
Advance toward the Future
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I'm actually curious as well on why you say he is doing everything he can and there is no current ideas to improve it.
Typos:
"used"
"a"
"whose"
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...oh boy.
I can just imagine Nabu is going to be last on that list.
"Oh and Nabu, we want Zatanna back so were making you a super powerful pseudo-body for you. Please drop by the labs so we can calibrate the damn thing"
"Oh and Nabu, we want Zatanna back so were making you a super powerful pseudo-body for you. Please drop by the labs so we can calibrate the damn thing"
Daecl
CURSED BY THE DICE
Empiricist2
Let's play doctor!
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- Baton Rouge
"Is Zatanna not fine? She was in Shadowcrest last time I checked, and perfectly well at that."
The_Letter_K
Certified Character
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- She/Her
I don't know a lot about Plastic Man, but I do recall hearing he's considered one of DC's best shapeshifters, and that's really his only power, to my knowledge. Not a lot to improve on there. He's even been shown to carry things inside himself, on occasion. He's really got the mind for it.
EDIT: I looked it up.
He seems to be basically immortal and invulnerable. There's not much info on PM-16 so the following is just in general; he apparently has control over himself on a molecular level, and can shrink, regenerate, and shapeshift with basically no limit at all, excluding color, which is apparently just hard to do.
He does seem to be vulnerable to extreme, quick temperature changes and to industrial solvents, but it doesn't seem to be enough to kill him, and versions of the character have survived as crumbs in the Atlantic for three thousand years before reconstituting. Also, he's only pretending to be an idiot, apparently.
Image searches reveal he doesn't seem too attached to the human form. He's almost shown as something else more often than not. He should give lessons to J'onn.
Wow.
I thought Superman was also weak to magic, generally speaking. Given the structure of Paul's speech, he talked about spell eaters directly after the radiation shields, I was assuming it was one of the three? Perhaps he's counting all radiation under one blanket? Maybe that's not true on Earth 16, but if that's so, then the context seems a bit odd.
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Finagle007
[Verified Great Old One]
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Which is really ironic, given that he's supposed to be the best in the entire corps.
Ganurath
Literal Enthusiast
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- A Valid Location
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- He/Him
Krazyfan1
Worrying for the future.
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awww....he cut off....
lets see...more use of communication, being able to know where people are in the ocean at all times....
more hydrokenesis training.....
Plas is ridiculed often, but in JLA, he proved just how formidable he can be.
Plastic Man: "You like burning?!? How about the burning inside your lungs as they choke for air?!? LIKE THAT?!?!"
- A later issue of JLA reveals that the reason Batman brought him into the League to begin with was that he was the only person who could defeat Martian Manhunter if he ever went rogue. When Manhunter loses his fear of fire and temporarily becomes "Fernus the Burning", (due to Martians once having been savage giants who reproduced through flames and psychic agony, until the Guardians stepped in and created the Green and White Martians from them) even Superman gets his butt kicked. It's Plas who is able to take him down, being a faster and less hindered shapeshifter who is immune to his telepathy.
- Another JLA storyline had him, like the other Justice League members, split in two: the stretchy goofball (who literally could not be serious) and Eel O'Brian, ex-career criminal. Eel is the first to recognize that the split heroes are all incomplete in various ways and need to be put back together, even though some are happier this way, and it's mostly his steely determination and sometimes ruthless manipulation that makes it happen. He also comments on sliding back into his "thug" mentality:
"You know the sound a gun butt makes across a guy's skull? It's low and wet. Like a ball bat pulpin' a melon. Haven't heard that noise f'r years. Now it's like a song I can't get outta my head. And I wanna hear it again." - .In Flashpoint, Plas is a bad guy, and has effectively proven one of the scariest antagonists in recent comics history by shoving his hand into a guy's mouth and shredding him from the inside out.
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I wonder what improvements Paul thought for himself?
A priority to properly bypass scry wards, perhaps?
"What?"
"I'm sorry."
*Yes, yes I know Aquaman is a baddass in some media.
A priority to properly bypass scry wards, perhaps?
"I -I can't help you."
"What?"
"I'm sorry."
*Yes, yes I know Aquaman is a baddass in some media.
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Emerald Oracle
Chaos, yet harmony. Death, yet the Force
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Eh, that varies a lot depending on the timeline and the universe. In this one, he's the longest serving Green Lantern, Alan notwithstanding. Unlike John and Guy though, he hasn't been making an effort in the last while to train himself up in Lantern to Lantern combat, which means he's less imaginative and generally capable of using his ring than they are.
Technically speaking in the Pre-Flashpoint timeline, Kyle's supposed to be a Lantern who will surpass Hal as proclaimed by Dream of the Endless. There's also the fact that John Stewart was a Neo Guardian for a while and mainlined Green energy. Finally, there's Sodam Yat who's supposed to be 'The Ultimate Green Lantern' as proclaimed by the Blood Magic of Qull of the Five Inversions.
As I said, it varies.
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Please, please, please Post the List!
Finagle007
[Verified Great Old One]
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Thank you, corrected.
Since it doesn't turn them either black or searing white, you may assume that it doesn't.
Thank you, corrected.
Ah. Um, sorry, but I'm doing every single one.
Edit: NOT doing every single one. That was what I meant to say.
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Probably a combination of him being good at what he does, and having the same problem M'gann does but more so; shapechanging makes developing useful equipment difficult. OL can't make shapechanging armor, and Plastic Man's extreme malleability means that equipment beyond a Spell Eater would generally get in the way as much as it would help. And he's tough enough that there's little that OL could do to help him, outside of that Spell Eater or giving him an orange ring (assuming he could use it).
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