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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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stsword said:
First of all, the definition of wizard is "a man with magical powers," so yes, if Batman is using magic to enhance his physical abilities he's a wizard, by definition, but thank you for playing. Bob, please let the studio audience know what the condolence prize is!

Second of all, you completely and utterly failed to understand my point actually, so since it apparently needs to be pointed out-

"Why do you think you can figure out Batman has superpowers, but Batman, a genius with superior resources to you, cannot?"
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See your issue is that you fail to understand what was meant when we said that he "uses" chi. He wouldn't be doing it consciously it'd simply be what allows him to be so far above a normal human. So he doesn't have magical powers, the fact that he has a soul passively allows him to grow stronger than a normal human.

See there's this great thing where we know things Batman can't cause we in-universe knowledge about what a normal human can do and what a human of the DC universe can accomplish. So I'm sure you can tell the ressources that Batman lack to make such deductions, yes? After all it's pretty hard to tell that something is weird when every other human you know can do the same thing if they train themselves, you wouldn't know that it's your soul that allows you to go so far above a normal capabilities, rather it'd just be the normal states of things cause every human in that universe has a soul.
 
knightowl said:
Young Justice was base off the Nu52 Story line.
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YOU TAKE THAT BACK!
Empiricist2 said:
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Realized, since he's American. Unless that's one of the things you use unilaterally like 'Whaw'. I honestly don't recall.
And it's possible
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Thank you, corrected.
So is Date Night going to be similar to Widdershins in that there isn't a main 'quest', but simply an advancing of a number of subplots?
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Mostly.
stsword said:
Honestly if I were wondering about the state of technology in the wide DC universe, I wouldn't go to Chance, a guy stuck in the smelly armpit of the galaxy 24/7.
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He knows his weapons, though. And he has a power ring database.
Empiricist2 said:
Mentioned in story, actually.
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It's just amusing how pointless all of Fries' efforts were. He could have done nothing and she'd probably have died and Nora would have been fine. Either that, or his actions led to her death but we aren't supposed to care as she isn't Batgirl.
 
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Ganurath said:
He hasn't, but who else in DC fits the description of ROB better? Someone put Paul on Earth 16.
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I dunno. Time Trapper? Monitors? Half the cast of Lucifer?

Actually, I think seeding copies of Paul armed with rings across the known multiverse might be beyond Mixie's powers.
Mizu said:
What's the difference between a cold and ice gun again?
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One shoots cold, the other shoots ice.
stsword said:
First of all, the definition of wizard is "a man with magical powers,"
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No it isn't. Jason Blood is a man with magical powers. Black Adam is a man with magical powers. Neither of them are wizards.

I realize that's the result you get when you Google "definition of wizard", but the real meaning is more specific - a wizard is a man who can cast spells. Mirriam-Webster defines it as "one skilled in magic; a sorcerer"; Collins defines it as "a male witch or a man who practises or professes to practise magic or sorcery". Google's definition comes from the OED.
stsword said:
"Why do you think you can figure out Batman has superpowers, but Batman, a genius with superior resources to you, cannot?"
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Because:
a) it's not a superpower if everyone has it, and
b) Batman does not devote his time to comparative inter-dimensional biology.
 
I mostly like B:tAS' Mr. Freeze because he's this quiet, ordinary man who lost the one thing in his life he truly valued, and all the shit that happened after that was just his desperate, bloody-minded struggle to fix that. He's a person who becomes something singular and extraordinary as an unwanted side-effect of trying to go back to a pleasantly normal existence. Exceptional is something they despise being and wish would go away, not their goal. It's the same reason I'm such a fan on Nox from Wakfu.
 
Mr Zoat said:
YOU TAKE THAT BACK!
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id call it everything i wanted out of post-flashpoint. its also been filtered for less stupid as opposed the editorial mandated bodge/cludge-job we got

(yeah i may enjoy nu52 everyone but i cam see its flaws like anyone, its like comparing superman returns to the first two christopher reeve films. no where near close, but has its moments, the good points shine through and at least its not Quest for Peace/frank miller all-star batman-verse)
 
GardenerBriareus said:
So Kryptonians and Ma'alaca'andrians don't have superpowers, either? After all, J'onn J'onzz and Kal-El are perfectly normal examples of their respective species, physiologically speaking.
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Being superpowered is a quality relative to the local norm. J'onn wouldn't be superpowered on Mars, nor Kal-El on Krypton, nor Batman on Earth
 
GardenerBriareus said:
So Kryptonians and Ma'alaca'andrians don't have superpowers, either? After all, J'onn J'onzz and Kal-El are perfectly normal examples of their respective species, physiologically speaking.
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aeqnai said:
Being superpowered is a quality relative to the local norm. J'onn wouldn't be superpowered on Mars, nor Kal-El on Krypton, nor Batman on Earth
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Empiricist2 said:
I think he would still be super powered relative to all the corpses and space debris that once made up Krypton.
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Isn't Rao a red sun? He literally wouldn't be superpowered on Krypton, or would stop being so very quickly.
 
Mr Zoat said:
They'd quite like you to
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So is this British "quite" or American "quite"?

stsword said:
"Why do you think you can figure out Batman has superpowers, but Batman, a genius with superior resources to you, cannot?"
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GardenerBriareus said:
So Kryptonians and Ma'alaca'andrians don't have superpowers, either? After all, J'onn J'onzz and Kal-El are perfectly normal examples of their respective species, physiologically speaking.
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I think we're looking at different definitions of "superpowers" here. I think the most appropriate definition is a RELATIVE one. To paraphrase Syndrome, when everyone has superpowers, no one does. After all, if a Human went to Mars, it's likely that they'd be seen as impaired or handicapped. They can't shapeshift! They can't even TALK! So clearly inferiority is relative; why not superiority?

So I propose that a useful working definition of "superpowers" would be "powers in excess of what a fit member of society can achieve through personal effort or sufficient bankroll."

Using this definition, you can't specifically say that someone "does" or "does not" have superpowers, only whether or not they are considered to have superpowers. On Earth-16, Batman is not considered to have superpowers, because anyone else in his society who trained as intensely as he did could achieve his level of physical fitness, assuming reasonably good genetics. On Earth-16, J'onzz is considered to have them, because he can do things that the people around him can't do no matter how lucky their genetics are or how hard they've trained. On the other hand, on Mars-16, J'onzz is not considered to have superpowers because everyone can do what he does, and Batman would be considered brave for trying to keep up if he went there.

Silverias said:
The time travelling dolphin?

Time Flipper.
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I WAS GOING TO MAKE THE ECCO JOKE. :(




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Ma'alaca'andrians
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Clearly, someone at DC is a C. S. Lewis fan.
 
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stsword said:
First of all, the definition of wizard is "a man with magical powers," so yes, if Batman is using magic to enhance his physical abilities he's a wizard, by definition, but thank you for playing. Bob, please let the studio audience know what the condolence prize is!
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Not really. Wizard literally originates from "The Wise" and refers to people who use arcane sources through study and science. Batman's more of a sorcerer if you're using the D&D definition. Or a Mundanus Extreamus from Darkness Redeemed though you probably haven't heard of that. And really sorcerer doesn't fit either. Both wizards and sorcerers do active spellcasting or something similar whereas if the theory is correct (though I take no stance on that matter) Batman is doing something passive similar to the concept of Chi Reinforcement.
 
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