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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Fuck YES!

Renegade and Manchester Black teamup to clean up scum!

Please tell me this will turn into a full on arc?

Jeez, this is stuff dreams are made of. :D
 
I'm betting that Grayven'd intervene in order to tell Superman to stay out of the matter, Manchester's little spree is an internal British matter. Did the UK call him or the League in to deal with Black? No? Then F*#) off.

I fully expect this Renegade Episode to involve Grayven bitch smacking the League with their own mandate to stay out of UN signatory countries' governmental matters.
 
NexysDhyArchen said:
I'm betting that Grayven'd intervene in order to tell Superman to stay out of the matter, Manchester's little spree is an internal British matter. Did the UK call him or the League in to deal with Black? No? Then F*#) off.

I fully expect this Renegade Episode to involve Grayven bitch smacking the League with their own mandate to stay out of UN signatory countries' governmental matters.
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I don't get this. Why would someone going around murdering people be considered a governmental matter?

Hmmaster said:
It's almost like he isn't a one dimensional asshole.
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Of course not, his assholishness is multidimensional.
 
Mr Zoat said:
20th March
06:37 GMT -5
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Progress and consequences.

Interesting that the polite comradery he treats Manchester with doesn't extend to Ms Black. More confrontational meeting or does he just not respect people who can't level a building with little more than a thought?

Avernus said:
I hope OL gets around to doing something about those people.
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He pointed Manchester Black in their direction. That tends to be a fairly permanent solution to most problems.
Or if you mean the other OL it is simply an issue of priorities. He regards the suffering of one little girl that he knows as more important than a corrupt government.

Mr Zoat said:
The British government doesn't have a tooth-sized black hole bomb, and if they did the hole it could generate would be so small that it might not even kill the person whose mouth it was in.
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And why would they bother? If you can fit a black hole generator in a tooth you can fit one in a bullet.
 
Angelform said:
Interesting that the polite comradery he treats Manchester with doesn't extend to Ms Black. More confrontational meeting or does he just not respect people who can't level a building with little more than a thought?
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Chester was the man who trained him to resist telepathic intrusion, for the low low cost of having to shit himself a few times. Vera's the woman who annoyed him during an important phone call.
And why would they bother? If you can fit a black hole generator in a tooth you can fit one in a bullet.
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Delicate mechanisms which would be damaged during the firing process?
 
Ugolino said:
Not quite what I was thinking of so much as "driving people to suicide is fun and games"
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You mean the people who let a mass murdering terrorist walk away scot-free? Who killed themselves when he made their deals public?

If they were so worried about public backlash that they felt ending their own lives was their only option then maybe they shouldn't have let a mass murdering terrorist go free in the first place. Grayven didn't threaten them or force them to do anything, all he did was make their deals public. And I can't see how making the public aware of what their officials were doing was a bad thing.
 
KronusGear said:
You mean the people who let a mass murdering terrorist walk away scot-free? Who killed themselves when he made their deals public?

If they were so worried about public backlash that they felt ending their own lives was their only option then maybe they shouldn't have let a mass murdering terrorist go free in the first place. Grayven didn't threaten them or force them to do anything, all he did was make their deals public. And I can't see how making the public aware of what their officials were doing was a bad thing.
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The reaction to "my actions caused suicides" being "I hope I get a high score!" is not something palpable.

And at the risk of rehashing this song and dance, he didn't just leak the facts.
 
Ugolino said:
And at the risk of rehashing this song and dance, he didn't just leak the facts.
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What else did he do? He released the data to major news sources and showed the public what their officials had been doing.

And as for not feeling any sympathy for them, why should he? These people let a mass murdering terrorist walk away free after killing thousands of people and causing hundreds of millions of dollars of property damage.

Can you imagine if the US government had captured Osama Bin Laden in the wake of 9/11 and then just let him walk away because they didn't want to annoy a foreign government. The outcry would have been immense.
 
KronusGear said:
What else did he do? He released the data to major news sources and showed the public what their officials had been doing.

And as for not feeling any sympathy for them, why should he? These people let a mass murdering terrorist walk away free after killing thousands of people and causing hundreds of millions of dollars of property damage.

Can you imagine if the US government had captured Osama Bin Laden in the wake of 9/11 and then just let him walk away because they didn't want to annoy a foreign government. The outcry would have been immense.
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He ran campaigns. This wasn't just a leak of information in the public interest.

"I'm glad people with lives, friends, and families are dead as a direct result of my specific approach to what was a necessary action and want more of these incidents to happen" is, uh, pretty monstrous.
 
Ugolino said:
"I'm glad people with lives, friends, and families are dead as a direct result of my specific approach to what was a necessary action and want more of these incidents to happen" is, uh, pretty monstrous.
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These people aided and abetted an enemy of their nation, who was responsible for the deaths of many of their countrymen and mass destruction of peoples property. Even if Grayven ran campaigns showcasing what they did and calling for consequences for their actions, that doesn't change the fact that if they didn't let a mass murdering terrorist walk free then there would be no issue.

Grayven did not threaten them or force them do do anything they killed themselves because the outcry over their actions was so massive they felt they had no other choice, if they didn't want such a backlash then they shouldn't have done something the public found so reprehensible in the first place.
 
<--- starting to feel appropiate

guys chill out, you know where this leads....
 
Mr Zoat said:
20th March
06:37 GMT -5

"…uncertain exactly what I was expecting, Mister Grayven." Brain's voice doesn't convey emotion in a way I'd trust, but at least he doesn't sound annoyed. "But slaying the Witch Boy in such a public fashion, and so subtly 'twisting the knife', as you say, into your former colleagues in the Justice League? Magnificent."

I lean back in my chair, taking in the Washington DC skyline, yellow ring held up to my right ear. Mister Tawny bites into what's left of this morning's hunt: a Thentulian Reaper. Nasty blighter, but not up to a fight with a God-Tiger. He and the Sphere both opted to come with me after the 'divorce', him out of loyalty and the Sphere to keep an eye on me. I came up on the roof to get away from the fans. I'm in full armour -goggles included- and I was eating lunch when Brain's call came in.

"Glad you liked it, Brain. Are you and the others satisfied that Klarion is indeed dead?"

"There could hardly be any doubt, Mister Grayven. Millions of people around the world saw the live broadcast, and millions more have seen the recordings. In addition to that, there are the physical remains and -I am told- mystical shockwaves in keeping with a being such as Klarion ceasing to be. I hereby formally notify you that the Light acknowledges you to have completed your part of the agreement."

I smile. "So, am I in? Or is the Queen Bee thing going to a bigger problem that I'd been hoping?"

"We expect a degree of effort on your part to ensure that our interests in Bialya are maintained, but… Yes. We will arrange a meeting during which you will be formally confirmed and.. fully briefed on Light operations."

"Okay, just let me know when and where."

"I will be certain to do that, Mister Grayven. Dare I enquire as to the nature of your own plans?"

"Hmmn. Farm political capital, build up my personal facilities… To be honest, I doubt that I'll be doing anything particularly interesting for a month or two. How about you?"

"My life is one of research and technological development. Presently I am working on a new generation of cybernetic interface."

"Oh? Given what you've got already…"

"There is always room for improvement. One of my associates makes use of such limbs, and… It has been brought to my attention that my travel machine could benefit from having better defensive systems."

"I could help with that. If you like."

"Thank you, Mister Grayven… But I prefer to work on so intrinsic a system myself."

What? Oh. "Oh, I quite understand."

"Though, I will confess to a degree of interest in the… Ah, you call it 'Divine Awakening'? I have no interest in gods, but I cut myself free of the distractions of the flesh to better focus my intellectual energies. If you have some way to amplify that further, I would be most interested."

Not too surprising a request, though I had expected him to be a little more sceptical. "If you like. However, I should warn that it may interfere with your implants and I can't guarantee what the outcome would be for a mechanoid like yourself. I can't.. Awaken your travel machine. If it were New God technology…"

"I am unwilling to make use of machinery which I cannot myself maintain."

"Perfectly sensible."

"Would there be similar difficulties in using the technique on other members of our association?"

I shrug. "I don't know how it would interact with Savage's regeneration or the effects of the Lazarus Pit. Could do nothing, could improve them, could kill the user. Luthor is almost certainly com-." Okay, that's a bit annoying. "Compatible, but I'm not sure he'd be interested."

"Having dealt with him for some time, I think you are likely correct. Still, it would serve you well to-."

I blink. "Ugh."

"-off..er..? Is there a problem, Mister Grayven?"

"Yes. I'm sorry, but this invisible woman's got a gun pointed right in my ear." The gun in question is withdrawn very slightly. "It's really distracting. Can I call you back?"

"Are you in any danger?"

"No, it's basically a conventional automatic. It might make me a little hard of hearing-" She shoves the gun forwards again and with a smile I let her push my head to the side a little. "-but it wouldn't cause any lasting harm. I got this."

"Very well. I will speak to you again once I have a time and a place for your confirmation. Goodbye, Mister Grayven."

"Bye, Brain." I lower my right hand, letting it train on the roof at the side of my chair. "So. Ms Black. What can I do for you?"

Her stealth fields fails by degrees, first showing flashes of her red coat and jeans, then her grey blouse and decidedly humourless face. I barely remember her from the comics. I think her hair was.. shorter. And I don't remember the red goggles. But it's the same woman. Similar morphing arms to what Mercy uses, though a little more sophisticated. Currently only her right is in gun mode while her left retains the Human appearance. I wonder where the British government got that technology?

Mister Tawny gazes balefully at her, and starts to position his legs for a pounce. I shake my head at him and after a moment's consideration he settles back down.

"You can tell me where Chester is."

"Why, has he gone somewhere?" Patches of faux skin around her left hand shift aside and a burning wreath of some sort of highly energetic plasma forms around it. "I haven't spoken to him in, like, months."

"Bollocks you haven't."

"No, seriously, we had a chat back in January after your mob got ordered to work out how to kill me. Haven't.. heard from him since then." Should probably try getting hold of him, actually. He'd be a useful fellow to have around at the moment. "I do hope he's alright."

"He's disappeyar'd. Said something about you then oop and left."

"And this was..?"

"January. What'd'ya give him?"

"A little bit of background reading on the things the people you work for get up to in their spare time. Have to admit, I didn't think he'd just walk away from the whole setup you've got there. Didn't think he had that sort of moral fibre. I'm sort of impressed."

"He's been killin' folk."

"That's sort of what he does."

"Three judges, a minister and eleven retired civil servants. Did you put him up to it?"

"Not exactly…"

"I've been ordered t'kill the pair o'you."

"You could try that. You're sadly under equipped to face me, but you might get lucky with Chester. Or…" I take a dossier with a summary of the truly appalling stuff I have on the British establishment. "You can take a look at this, and find out exactly how deep the rabbit hole goes."

I think she glances at it. The goggles make it hard to tell. "What's it sehy?"

"It says that your nation is ruled by narcissistic monsters far worse than any you have killed on their behalf in your careers to date. It gives details on who, how and when. And if you read it, they'll send one of your colleagues after you as they sent you after your brother." I turn my head to face her gun barrel full on. "So, what's it going to be?"
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Grayven continues to be badass.
King of Frost said:
Is Canada in the Marvel universe run by demon-worshipping politicians and child predators?
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No according to Hank McCoy Mutantkind's greatest enemy? Canada, apparently.
--Henry McCoy (Earth-616)
 
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