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Someone learned that Captain Marvel was a kid but at that moment Adom was fighting captain nazi outside the Watchtower.
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Larfleeze, and the essence is forged into a solid form with the power trapped inside i don't think it feeds off a power source like the helmet of fate or something. I can't wait for the two orange lanterns to clash though even though I'm 99% sure I'll be sad to read of the original Agent Orange being killed.
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But who else could deactivate Marvel's powers? Plus I'm pretty sure that Adom Shazam-ing Marvel was part of the plan, that was why Paul Dannered Adom up.
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Well, if you follow the rabbit hole to the bottom, the Presence is Elaine Belloc.
Basically, the (original) Presence had a retirement plan, where instead of creating everything by themselves ( which they were perfectly capable of doing ), they gave the power to create stuff ex nihilo to Michael, and the power to arrange and rearrange stuff to Lucifer, and these two actually implemented the universe, Lucifer being the one creating suns from the matter and energy created by Michael.
Before exiting the universe, Lucifer gave his transmutation power (and the lightbringer title) to his long-term aide/paramour Mazikeen. Of course, now, post-flashpoint, Lucifer is back...
But, this is not relevant for WTR, since MrZoat hadn't read any of the Lucifer comics, so it's possible that in WTR Lucifer is still operating a night club in LA... Except, I think there's another fallen angel called 'lucifer' in New 52, which presumably happens in the same multiverse.
Anyhoo,
Presence (New Earth)
In-universe, he's sort of the abrahamic god, except that not in a way that most religions get correct. Also, 'reality' is somewhat subjective, since what people believe occasionally comes true in DC.
I don't think it was ever directly stated that the Presence was responsible for creating any other universe except for the DC Vertigo one, so there's that...
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The religion wasn't originally about an omnipotent creator, nor was it monotheistic, so yahweh and such may be in their own little dead pantheon at this point. I think it was around Moses's time, that it was revealed that Yahweh was also El, maybe because of the confusion over which one of them was married to Ashearah.
Yes, God is married.
Basically, even if what 'modern' religions worship - the omnipresent, omniscient creator - is The Presence, that's not really the same god that was worshipped by various desert-dwelling nomads.
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Yeah, but I think what happened was that while fighting with someone else (Barda) he used the lighting and then it got redirected to him.
My mental image is that Barda grabbed him from behind, he used the lighting to get her off and revealed his age to her.
Adom never fought Marvel even though THAT was the original plan.
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Just their casual feats of universe creation and trading off creation like its pet project.
Though Zoat has already confirmed that the Sword of the Fallen kills pretty much everything (at least temporarily.)
Lets ask God just to be sure though.
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On the hierarchy of cosmic things are abrahamic upper beings like Micheal, Lucifer, the First higher then Gaia, Death, Eris, Desire?
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I'm guessing his answer is going to be somewhere in the ballpark of "The SI doesn't know."
But muh Vs debates!
How can I read this story if I can't organize everything into neat 'who is more powerful' lists!?
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It was more about the general feeling that comes from the phrase 'murica then the literal meaning, 'brita doesn't sound all that great afterall.
Point is Hellblazer relation to the rest of the DC universe is a lot less concrete than most everything else and if you make it an integral part of the story, silly things like the abrahamic religion being the most powerful when it has only appeared a few thousand years ago on a single planet out of so many and is only practiced by a few billion people, then your universe lose narrative cohesiveness cause there's no reason for that one group jumped up elementals to be any different than the rest, unless you're applying an obviously biased view of things.
And the point still stands that the fallen isn't all that powerful outside of his realm of influence and if all you needed to do to make an one shot weapon was to kill a few decently powerful beings for their essence, then those kind of weapons would be all over the place.
Plus we're not over beyond the point where something dumb truly has happened due to the SotF, killing the first was logical since the weapon originates from his realm of influence, Klarion wasn't, but he's weaker than what the SotF is made of so his connection to the plane being cut is plausible. It's if the SotF is used to killed people like swamp thing, Gaia or an emotional entity that things really get moronic, harming them could be possible, but beyond that it just becomes silly.
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Might I recommend using eyeballs and literacy in conjunction? I have reason to suspect they have good synergy.How can I read this story if I can't organize everything into neat 'who is more powerful' lists!?
The weird thing is Ragnar's position is similar to what happened in that one comic event, WWIII.
Where Adam lost his family and promptly starting attacking everyone he perceived responsible.
It was a disaster, a lot of innocent people died and Adam lost his powers (temporarily of course).
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See my issue with most this is that it doesn't seem to apply beyond the universe in which that story was made, there are no in-deph interactions between them and the rest of the DC entities and the entire narrative becomes a mess when they're supposed to be on that power level, but everything else from the DC universe is still supposed to exist. It's a non-sensical clusterfuck that can only be solved by breaking anihilating the narrative of the rest of the DC universe or nerfing to an acceptable level that one group of jumped up elementals by making them follow the rules everybody else seems to follow. I think my choice is pretty obvious.Well, if you follow the rabbit hole to the bottom, the Presence is Elaine Belloc.
Basically, the (original) Presence had a retirement plan, where instead of creating everything by themselves ( which they were perfectly capable of doing ), they gave the power to create stuff ex nihilo to Michael, and the power to arrange and rearrange stuff to Lucifer, and these two actually implemented the universe, Lucifer being the one creating suns from the matter and energy created by Michael.
Before exiting the universe, Lucifer gave his transmutation power (and the lightbringer title) to his long-term aide/paramour Mazikeen. Of course, now, post-flashpoint, Lucifer is back...
But, this is not relevant for WTR, since MrZoat hadn't read any of the Lucifer comics, so it's possible that in WTR Lucifer is still operating a night club in LA... Except, I think there's another fallen angel called 'lucifer' in New 52, which presumably happens in the same multiverse.
Anyhoo,
Presence (New Earth)
In-universe, he's sort of the abrahamic god, except that not in a way that most religions get correct. Also, 'reality' is somewhat subjective, since what people believe occasionally comes true in DC.
I don't think it was ever directly stated that the Presence was responsible for creating any other universe except for the DC Vertigo one, so there's that...
Yahweh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The religion wasn't originally about an omnipotent creator, nor was it monotheistic, so yahweh and such may be in their own little dead pantheon at this point. I think it was around Moses's time, that it was revealed that Yahweh was also El, maybe because of the confusion over which one of them was married to Ashearah.
Yes, God is married.
Basically, even if what 'modern' religions worship - the omnipresent, omniscient creator - is The Presence, that's not really the same god that was worshipped by various desert-dwelling nomads.
We have no clue if their universe creation feats apply in this universe and if they do I've already outlined what it implies.
He's allowed to do that, I just believe it would dig a narrative shithole so deep that it wouldn't make any sense to go the 'the abrahamic religion is numero uno' path rather than just treating them like every other planetary scale religion in term of power level. Cause if you're gonna bring a planetary religion entity beyond an universe entity power level you just so happen to stomp everything else into the bedrock.
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About the killing Kalrion thing, isn't his body just a small part of his eldritch "true form" linked to earth via Teekl/substitute power source, so even with the Devil Sword couldn't he eventually get another tether and be remade? Or did the magic backfeed into his true form and end his whole being?
Edit: also would the sword kill someone like Mordoru (sp) who's a higher level Lord of Chaos and is supposedly ageless (said to never started or end in the comics)
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No one is sure. However, right now he's disconnected from that "true form"* so apparently, killing Klarion's physical form will really kill him even if the "true form" survives. What happens to the "true form" though is up for grabs; will it just sit there? Grow a new Lord of Chaos with a new personality?
*Mr Zoat commented long ago that Klarion had a choice when OL assimilated/Grayven killed Teekl; let himself be pulled back to his true self in the Subtle Realms, or lose the connection and stay in the mortal realm without access to most of his power. He chose the second.
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My theory would that it destroyed his link to this plane and he's kinda stuck in the chaos plane until he manages to get back into this plane, but that could take ages so he's effectively dead as far as people with a human lifespan are concerned.
Funny thing was, they didn't even hire Apocalypse directly. They hired a relatively sane supervillain, but he was busy so he subcontracted it out, and that chained a few times until the head of the construction company came into work the next day to find Darkseid patiently waiting in his office waiting room reading a copy of Anti-Life magazine...
To be fair, WWIII was pre-nu52.
Happened just after Infinite Crisis IIRC.
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And it was caused by Black Adam's murder boner.
In the comics, you'll have a much shorter list if you use characters below level 3
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Thank you, corrected.
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