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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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The Bushranger said:
No, he isn't making it OP.
Based on what it has been described as being capable of, and what it has been seen to do, that is what it can do.
If you think it's OP, blame DC, not Zoat.

Remember: it's a sword that KILLS DIVINE CONCEPTS. The theological implications of its use are decidedly beyond 'possible'.
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DC is full of things that ought to be ignored or nerfed for the sake of narrative integrity. Canon is guide line not an absolute one can't deviate from when the need arises.

It was also made with earth two very powerful abrahamic demons it's like it deserves to be all that great against things outside of the abrahamic religion heck it can't even truly kill the first of the fallen, he might be near omnipotent while in his realm (hell), but outside of it he's not nearly all that great. So why should a weapon made out of puny demon magic be able to one shot beings outside of its realm of influence, let alone be able to be a serious threat to being so far beyond its power level such as universal entities and the like. Deities like Yahweh or Gaia who basically sit at the top of their religion should only be able to defend themselves against such being when within their realm (earth).

The only way that blade should be able to even harm an universal entity was if the entirety of earth deities had all been extracted of their essence and if that essence had been forged into one weapon, such a weapon would have a right to harm such supremely powerful beings. Cause if all you needed to create a one shot weapon was some deity essence from powerful beings who are a part of some two-bit 2000 year old religion followed by a few billion people then the universe would be crawling with those kind of weapons and any relatively powerful guy would go to a planet and ambush some random semi-omnipotent while they're outside of their realm of influence and murder them for their deity essence, if one isn't enough he could just keep repeating the process until he has enough essence to make his one shot weapon that somehow kills shit outside of its realm of influence because logic.

Man that rant was a bit long.
 
So probable culprit time.

Adom would be correct to suspect queen bee, BUT we need to remember a few weeks ago Truggs was off planet (OL couldn't find him even with the I see every atom scan) likely getting Klarion, captain Nazi and the shucklefucks (Kreiger and Savage) back from Valhalla.

If that its what happened then its likely this entire thing was carried by Captain Nazi, Kreiger and his merry band of eastern European neonazis, with logistics support from Savage.

Heck we know Savage actually wants to wrestle control of Biyala from Queen Bee so he stands to gain THE most out of this situation, even more so if Adom kills her.
 
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Some times it isnt Captain Marvels strength that wins battles, or his bravery or toughtness or wisdom.

Some times its just a small boys humanity that saves the day.
 
Krazyfan1 said:
he was going to say Son...wasn't he?
Reincarnation? perhaps this was another reason William was chosen...
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Nah, not only would that be extremely convoluted, it would be like finding out Bruce Wayne was destined by fate and reincarnation to be a Bat-themed superhero. Dumb as hell.

Adom used to have a family, and young Billy suddenly brought it all back. Also the general 'What the absolute fuck.' feeling from him realizing the wizard chose a child probably contributed.
 
I just realized there is a line I really want OL to say at some point maybe after figuring out his soul is the heart of the Ophidian.

"My Greed is as the Greed of ten: Because my heart is pure. "
 
Daecl said:
Okay, so Kahndaq is essentially Egypt in this universe right? And Adom... attacked Cairo? Wah? Someone remind me of what's going on politically and why Adom attacked?

EDIT: Okay, did some wiki diving, Kahndaq is not Egypt. But why did Adom destroy Cairo? He was at a conference, right?
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As far as I can recall:

1) Kahndaq in this story is pretty much Egypt. DC canon moves it around a bit and has used it as a stand in for Iraq a number of times, but it's basically Egypt here.

2) Adom was backing a rebel faction, or at least blocking attempts by the existing government to crush the rebellion. As a result, there was effectively a new government set up in the city of Shiruta (named after Adom's wife) and the old government still set up in Cairo. When the rebel government got wiped out, Adom returned the favor on the government in Cairo.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Did he? I don't remember that.
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Found it!
Mr Zoat said:
"He's actually eleven now, but I take your meaning." When Guy heard that 'Captain Marvel' had a birthday coming up he offered to organise it. Luckily, I managed to tell him how old William is before too much damage was done. But this could be an opportunity. "But I can understand where you're coming from." One obvious solution if Marrack Very Senior took the knowledge to the grave with him. "How do you feel about necromancy?"
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Another possibility is that an Apokoliptian is behind it. Maybe Glorious Godfrey has arrived? As an operation that looks like it was about manipulation and propaganda it would be right up his alley. A heroic Adom is a threat; an Adom fighting against other heroes who are trying to stop him is an asset. As is an Adom whose behavior can be spun to discredit heroes.
 
Mr Zoat said:
14th March 2011
07:29 GMT +2

I sit on a large lump of what was once a wall, my hands massaging my temples. Well… Attack's over. The surviving military officers from the Shiruta garrison are taking charge of the clean… Of the clean up. The wounded are being treated in makeshift field hospitals, but there aren't actually that many casualties. It's a little like a Dalek attack; their weapons are so deadly when used against baseline Humans that there are hardly any survivors. You either flat out die or you're fine.

There's a soft thud just in front of me and I look up. Despite his power, the League felt it best that Captain Marvel remain behind. Partly because he should be able to deal with most situations which arise in the absence of the rest of the League's most powerful members and partly because he has school later today. "Captain. What can I do for you?" William isn't looking at me. He's staring to his right, at… Ah. "We haven't prioritised clearing the bodies away. I know it's not.. ideal…"

"Oh God. What..?" He shakes himself and turns back to me. "What happened here?"

"Not entirely sure, sir. A group of people -Humans, probably- attacked the city using Apokoliptian equipment and combat robots. Adom was in Al-Qawiya and normal military units can't effectively fight things like that. I got here at oh six fifty three local time and began killing the attackers. Unfortunately, they'd killed most of the Shiruta Council during their initial attack… After that… Well, we can analyse their exact movements later, but it looks like they just went on the rampage."

"Who..?" He looks as lost as I feel. "Who was it? Who would do something like this?"

"I don't know." My head goes down into my hands again. "We know Bialya has had dealings with Apokolips, but we've had them under satellite observation and I've set the ring to notify me of any boom tubes opening near Earth. We haven't seen or heard anything in that direction since last year. Those criminals Dreamer mentioned could have accessed the equipment… Maybe, I don't know. And if they've got a way to get around boom tube detection systems then they could have given it to just about anyone." I look up and glance around at the devastation that surrounds us. "Or just sent them here themselves."

William looks straight at me. "I wanna talk to your prisoners."

"Prisoners?" I shake my head. "There aren't any."

"You..? You killed all of them?"

"A lot, but no." I take a partially reconstructed set of aero-trooper armour out of subspace. "Once I killed their fliers and destroyed their heavy equipment, I attempted to take one or two of the others alive. Their armour contained a very thorough suicide system, which incorporated a G-Sanitizer. A G-Sanitizer is a rather nasty piece of short lived nanotechnology which -when properly utilised- completely breaks down organic matter. Including the subject's DNA. I've been trying to use what's left to identify them, but what I've got is nothing I'd want to make any definite conclusions with. I had the rings take a crack at the robots' central processing units… Same problem. Not enough left."

He nods. "Who's in charge here?"

I stand up, stretching a little more out of habit than any real need. Rings aren't quite exhausted yet. "Me, actually. Adom's not here, every high ranking politician's dead, along with the general who was in charge of the city's defence… We only found the radio jammer ten minutes ago. Lieutenant Colonel Negm is organising the recovery efforts but I think he's a bit shell shocked." My eyes unfocus for a moment as I have the ring give me an overview of the city. Things.. seem to be progressing… "Have they attacked anywhere else?"

William shakes his head. "No. Just here."

"I had wondered if this was a reprisal. But, if they've just come here…"

"It probably wasn't."

I nod. "Have we heard anything from the team that went to Apokolips yet?"

He shakes his head. "This doesn't mean that anything's happened to them."

"I know. I just thought they might be able to shed some light…" I shake my head. "Where's Adom?"

William winces. "Cairo."

Oh shit. "Doing what?"

"We're not sure. I wanted you to be there when I went to talk to him."

I bow my head slightly, squeezing my eyes shut. Even under optimal conditions… And that was with me working alongside him and with as much of the army as could be spared assisting, attacking Cairo was going to result in massive collateral damage. Of course, if he's there then it's already happened. There's no way this happened and he didn't retaliate. I nod. "Okay. No sense leaving it."

I attach a filament to William and transition us to the air over the Heliopolis Palace. An entire wing of the place has been demolished, and the ring scans show that the people within have been pulverised. He didn't fight them. He didn't slow down. Slowing down to fight them would have been inefficient. We did actually.. plan this… The reason that we didn't implement it was that just about everyone in the target area would be killed. Not just the people in control of the government, but their aides, staff and other civil servants. When he's going that fast… Ring, scan…

Yes. The minimum number of civilian casualties that could be achieved in an attack by him alone, as long as you exclude anyone remotely involved in government or military function from your assessment of 'civilian'. Fewer people than died in Shiruta…

William goes pale as we descend through the sky towards Adom's entry point. The Palace itself would have been the last place he struck. No hostages here after all. We head further into the building and I'm glad that the ring's environmental shield is filtering out the smell. In Shiruta we'd at least gotten around to covering up most of the bodies. Here, there's bits of person nearly everywhere I look.

Adom looks up from his seat as we enter the cabinet meeting room, the bodies of Kahndaq's late rulers laying in squishy pieces around him. His eyes move over our faces for a moment, then he returns to staring into the middle distance. "Orange Lantern. Captain Marvel. Is Shiruta secure?"

I go to land, then realise that there isn't really anywhere I can land without stepping on a piece of someone. "The attack's over, Mighty One."

"The attackers?"

"Dead. All of them."

"Where were they from?"

I hesitate, trying to ignore quite how much blood there is on his uniform. "I.. can't say with any certainty. They were using Apokoliptian equipment-."

"So, Bialya. It was just a trick." He exhales sharply. "That is disappointing."

"We don't.. know for certain-."

"CAN THERE BE ANY DOUBT?!" The muscles on his neck stand out as he glares directly at me. "Who else has motive?! My city, the city named for my wife, lies bleeding and broken…" He leaps into the air, level with William and I. "And now you will no doubt try to dissuade me from avenging Kahndaqi blood." He shakes his head. "No. No. This is more than I can bear. The sands of Bialya will turn RED for this!"

"Adom, even if it was Bialya-" William floats forwards, hands raised in a placatory gesture. "-and we don't know that for sure yet, that's not the right way to go about dealing with this! You said you wanted to lead Kahndaq to a better future and you won't be able to do that if you keep killing people!"

"You may be surprised what one may do and still be considered an upstanding statesman." He turns, looking out through the broken wall to the city beyond. "And where was the Justice League?"

"They're.. off world."

"How many of my people died in Shiruta today?"

"Um…" I shake my head. "We don't know yet. Every major politician who was there, and a lot more besides. We'll know more in a few hours."

"I should be back by then." He bows his head slightly. "This was not how I wanted to begin my reign."

"Adom, I can't let-." I turn, frantically shaking my head at William as Adom raises his eyebrows. The absolute last thing that needs to happen now is the two of them fighting. Whoever wins, Kahndaq would be in even more of a mess. He spots me, then hesitates as Adom turns to regard him. "I mean, you're angry. You're not thinking clearly. I understand why. This is an absolutely horrifying thing to have happened, but you just need-."

"I need nothing. And I will not be lectured by the Wizard's lackey, a man who has never-."

"Show him."

Adom turns to glare at me. "Show me what?"

"William. Show him."

He hesitates for a moment, then lands on the cleanest part of the floor. He bows his head for a moment and takes a deep breath. "Shazam!"

"Removing your powers will not-!" Adom boggles as the smoke clears. "You're… You're a-a child? The Wizard chose a.. c-child?"

"Hey." William smiles, though I image that without Achilles courage he's finding our environment even more shocking. "I'm not a baby. I'm eleven."

Adom drops to the floor, flabbergasted. "My… My own s-." He looks William over, clearly not quite believing his eyes. "Why? Why did he choose you. You cannot have been a warrior or leader. What did you do to so earn his favour?"

"You're right. I'm not a warrior or a leader. He chose me because he thinks he can trust me to use the power properly. That I was a good enough person not to end up..." He looks around the room. "After the two of you fell out, after five thousand years, I was the first person he met he thought he could risk it on. And I'm telling you, you don't want to make this decision when you're angry."

Adom.. seems to shrink in on himself slightly. He stands completely still for several seconds. At long last, he nods. "I will.. be guided by you. I will wait. Orange Lantern, please convey me back to Shiruta. I must see to my people's needs."
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That's a powerful update, Zoat.
 
Chaoswind said:
So probable culprit time.

Adom would be correct to suspect queen bee, BUT we need to remember a few weeks ago Truggs was off planet (OL couldn't find him even with the I see every atom scan) likely getting Klarion, captain Nazi and the shucklefucks (Kreiger and Savage) back from Valhalla.

If that its what happened then its likely this entire thing was carried by Captain Nazi, Kreiger and his merry band of eastern European neonazis, with logistics support from Savage.

Heck we know Savage actually wants to wrestle control of Biyala from Queen Bee so he stands to gain THE most out of this situation, even more so if Adom kills her.
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Actually I am convinced it was Savage + The neo nazis trying to go for the Thanathos gambit.

Once you think about it the stars align perfectly as Savage is obviously going to go after the man that turned him into meat and the guy that fucked his overall plans, not to mention that Savage and Klarion are close allies inside the light.


Also Savage was a Nazi himself during the second world War right? Hence why his troops are Kreiger, Captain Nazi.
 
Lol, one of the less obvious uses of number 12 in the evil overlord list; "One of my advisors will be an average five-year-old child. Any flaws in my plan that he is able to spot will be corrected before implementation."
 
Avernus said:
Another possibility is that an Apokoliptian is behind it. Maybe Glorious Godfrey has arrived? As an operation that looks like it was about manipulation and propaganda it would be right up his alley. A heroic Adom is a threat; an Adom fighting against other heroes who are trying to stop him is an asset. As is an Adom whose behavior can be spun to discredit heroes.
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Seems a bit too direct for him given the full on Apokoliptian weapons connection.
 
If only they knew someone who recently came from Apokalyps who might know something. Could Canis Minor have overheard something, if he'd been in the right training grounds?
 
Vaermina said:
Seems a bit too direct for him given the full on Apokoliptian weapons connection.
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IIRC Brimstone first appeared as part of his original "discredit the superheroes" campaign. He doesn't mind using mass destruction as a tool, he just doesn't do it personally.

It's not direct because we haven't seen him at all, assuming he's there. If he was responsible he's probably somewhere far away, quite possibly making it publicly obvious that he has nothing whatsoever to do with what just happened.
 
You know, William explained it in exactly the right way to calm Adom down rather than piss him off more at the thought of the wizard picking a child. Divine wisdom is overrated. Billy has this shit down.
 
So... Basically, Break out the Royal Titles of pre-Alexandrian Egypt/Kahndaq?

Kanakht Khaemwaset, Wahnesytmireempet, Sekhempahtydjeserkhaw, Menkheperre, Adom Neferkheperu.

Horus' Mighty Bull, Arising in Thebes. He of the Two Ladies, Enduring in kingship like Re in heaven. The Horus of Gold, Powerful of strength, Sacred of appearance. He of the Sedge and the Bee, Enduring of form is Re. Son of Ra, Adom, beautiful of form.

or for short; All Hail Adom, Pharaoh of Egypt/Kahndaq.
 
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