Funny that a primitive periscope is the best tool to use here when there's a Power Ring available. Primitive is sometimes a good thing.
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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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Ah my bad then, remembered that wrong.
Guess its some other shady people dicking around with Anti-life (Possibly the new leadership of Intergang?).
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No bug it is correct, means he'll place a tracker on it if it looks dodgy.
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Constructs are so ridiculously versatile - glowing solid light that can take on a huge variety of properties and virtually any shape, easily capable of replicating incredibly complicated and precise machinery.
And yet, if you want it to stop glowing orange, you're sod out of luck.
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No, you just take it off.
Wait, it cant even do passive detection up close?
You can take off a ring, but taking off a construct doesn't sound like it would help much.
Lubaf
Cat in a washing machine in space?
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No, "Bug". As in, plant a location device, and follow it.
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I wonder if this means OL's going to fabricate some sneaky-gear for such missions. He's got the muscles to carry a bunch of mundane unpowered kit, and given that it can be superhumanly perfect gear made out of the most expensive materials, but which also doesn't really need to be able to survive more than one mission (because it's all easily ring-replaceable betweentimes), it could probably be extremely light and/or compact.
hance1986
The One Above All.
should either be ' American ' or ' America's '
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I'm surprised that he did't fabricate something right there, or maybe switched into his power armour momentarily and used its scans. That aside I'm quite liking the partnership too and I'm curious as to how the Question's magic senses would move the NewNabu plot.
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It has a tiny surface area on the end of someone's finger. And it glows constantly.
So while it can do passive detection, it's not very good at it. You can -for example, the SI has never tried- press one against a hard surface and tap the surface to enable it to use the vibrations to passively map the surface. Hold it a millimetre away and it can't.
Power rings were never designed to be used stealthily, and virtually everything clever they do requires the creation of a construct.
Thank you, corrected.
Taking objects out of subspace results is a small orange flash, and as the reason he isn't using the ring is because he's concerned about being detected he won't do that. If he were going to don heavier armour he'd just scan.
Minimally. Do you remember the episode of He-Man where Tela developed telepathy, and found it really useful right up until the point where Evil Lyn spoofed it because Tela didn't know how to use it properly? Like that. Anyone capable of living in the Tower would have to be a high end magic user just to get around. Question is sub Willoughby Kipling. He's got one thing he knows how to do.
You mean Ambrose Bierce, right? Good Lord, can even Zoat not tell them apart?
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No. Sub Willoughby Kipling. I nearly said sub Topo, but Topo's actually relatively powerful.
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Well that's probably not a hard limitation outside of this story anyway.
Green Lanterns have been shown to make constructs that aren't green on multiple occasions. Lord Malvolio, the Circle of Fire storyline in Kyle's run are the ones that spring to mind. Lord Malvolio not only made a planet of people, but a space station that seemed to me made out of gold and in Circle of Fire not only was the bad guy a green lantern construct, but the other green lanterns Kyle summoned were all green lantern constructs too.
Take the Corpse as an example, mentioned in story on multiple occasions. They are green lanterns whose constructs are purple. No mention in the story that they appeared in of being dependent on another emotion than willpower, so the evidence is that it's just green lantern energy effectively dyed purple.
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It ought to be able to do passive sonar as well then. It depends on what internal sensors it has, I suppose.
By my understanding, if it can't detect vibrations in more than one position along it's surface, passive sonar would be much harder because it is impossible to triangulate the origin of any sound waves. There's also signal-to-noise ratios to worry about, which I don't really understand enough to know if they'd be a issue here.
But if it's capable of it, it should be able to do a very good job. Yknow, alien hypertech computer and all. Massive processing power combined with incredibly accurate sensors. And if it can detect and emit (a little) light precisely enough, you can use LIDAR as well as some newer techniques that allow you to see around corners.
Edit: It also occurs to me that the ring is, yknow, attached to a human. Aside from being able to use your eyes to their (meager) limitations, you could form constructs inside the body to hide them. Something like a millimeter-wide camera you could probably put anywhere without causing much injury, and regardless Paul has a power ring so he could heal afterwards.
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Empiricist2
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If you have a second or two of time to prepare, and the orange glow is the part that makes detection likely, you could create a construct and cover it in black paint. It wouldn't work if you intend to change the shape of the construct after coating it, and projectile weapons would generally need an opening to shoot out of, but it would conceal the majority of the light.
Alternatively, make a large sphere around yourself, and similarly cover it in black paint. No opening for guns, but you could make whatever detection equipment you want inside it. Scanning equipment might be detected, but there's got to be all kind of passive sensors that could pick up useful information.
"Scanning" or "scanners" usually implies that you are sending out some form of energy in order to detect the reflection. So, not passive.
Could it detect people through local concentrations of avarice without a construct? The SI can't see through a building to find a person with his empathic vision, but the ring I think should be able to.
Also, he needs some basic detection equipment built into all his armor if he gets this restricted when he needs to go unseen.
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Actually, that gives me a idea. What if you had a liquid magnetic substance (Gallium or iron suspended in oil), and you cover all constructs you make in a outer layer of some sort of flat discretely-controllable electromagnet. Something where you can control the magnetism precisely and over a large area. Surely some aliens have made something like that somewhere.
Any time you make a construct, first extend the metal-coated construct around it to hide all light from it. It'll be a bit cumbersome, even moving it too quickly could disrupt it, but it'd work. You could carry the liquid in a pouch and use a thin layer to avoid the need for storing it in subspace; metal does not need to be thick to block light.
Alternatively, a motile smart substance of some sort could work. Plenty of examples that use nanotech.
Wait, I thought he was explicitly able to see people with empathic vision, regardless of (mundane) obstacles like walls, buildings, etc? It's just a matter of how hard he's looking, how far away they are, and how much they're feeling.
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No shit.
Passive detection is just receiving signals that are put out by nature- heat, vibrations (air, floor etc), radiation and so on.
I'm just suprised that the ring is unable to use such relatively basic things without a construct.
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And how versatile is that one trick?
In that comic, his urban shamanism seemed pretty versatile.
Being told things by the city he's in, sensing ley lines, seeing ghosts and communicating with the dead, psychometry of buildings, astral dueling, exorcism, controlling machinery with this mind, and clouding men's minds to appear as the psychopomp assassin he had killed.
I'm just wondering how many of those tricks are off the menu here.
Empiricist2
Let's play doctor!
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Maybe just use balloons of various sizes? Then just manipulate constructs within the balloon. No need to do anything fancy if you have a stretchable material that doesn't require a construct to maintain.
This implies that thicker materials would block his vision:
But admittedly it isn't super clear. I don't remember any time he has been able to see people through objects, and there have been some times when it would have been useful.
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Theoretically, none, but he'll need a lot more XP to get beyond the second.
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Are we sure that they were actually CONSTRUCTS and not just fabricated or teleported?
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Yes, they were constructs.
Oblivion was the embodiment of Kyle's bottled up negative emotions after his girlfriend was refrigerated, based on a comic book villain he made up as a kid, given life when Kyle was in the process of being possessed by Ion/absorbing the Central Battery energy from Halallax/given access to the Starheart by Jade.
When confronting Kyle, he commented words to the effect of "With apologies to Kermit the Frog, it's not easy not being green," with the other green lanterns being likewise given life from Kyle's subconscious. Alexandra De Witt was his love, Emerald Knight his heroism, the twins his hope for the future, Green Lightning his friendship with Wally, the manhunter green lantern his inner sci fi geek, etc.
It ends with him absorbing them all back into his mind where they belong.
And in the Lord Molvalio storyline, the entire solar system disappears after Hal Jordan takes his ring and flies off, which shouldn't have happened if they were fabricated by the ring or teleported.
The green lantern wiki assumes making constructs of other colors comes from light manipulation. Hal Jordan would make his ring invisible so it wouldn't be obvious he was green lantern without disarming himself I understand, and turned himself invisible too while fighting the Weaponers of Qward. According to the wiki Hal eventually gained enough finesse to make non green illusions.
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Hmm... Hasn't OL created hologram projector constructs? Or does he just have one subspaced?
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I thought it was hilarious.
It wasn't just any niggers. It was martian niggers.
It wasn't just any car. It was a martian car.
Ooh! Me! Me!
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