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Just zis guy, you know?
That only covers things he can think of, though.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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Been rereading the story and I found a spelling error in the chapter with the mole hunt prank.
Barley
Barley
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Thank you, corrected.
Black has also appeared when He watched some spell casters use magic. Also who knows, it could be a friendly Black user, could use one of those.
Curious but would it be possible to enhance Wally's body until its similar to Quicksilver's from the comic? In marvel uni there is no speed force, so Comic Quicksilver's body was built to withstand his speed, as he puts it:
"Adapted to withstand the accelerated impact of my feet hitting the ground thirty times per second. My bones could absorb shocks that would shatter those of ordinary men. My tendons had the resilience of high tension steel. My body metabolized food so efficiently there was virtually no waste. I never carried an ounce of excess fat. My brain processed information at five times the speed of the average college graduate, data leaping from synapse to synapse, giving me split-second reactions, allowing me to out-think twenty opponents at once."
Curious but would it be possible to enhance Wally's body until its similar to Quicksilver's from the comic? In marvel uni there is no speed force, so Comic Quicksilver's body was built to withstand his speed, as he puts it:
"Adapted to withstand the accelerated impact of my feet hitting the ground thirty times per second. My bones could absorb shocks that would shatter those of ordinary men. My tendons had the resilience of high tension steel. My body metabolized food so efficiently there was virtually no waste. I never carried an ounce of excess fat. My brain processed information at five times the speed of the average college graduate, data leaping from synapse to synapse, giving me split-second reactions, allowing me to out-think twenty opponents at once."
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
Likewise, the universe DOES run partly on tropes, and while he seems to have some talent for defying them he shouldn't go on to think he's utterly immune.
shamans
The enemy predicting OL when OL is also trying to predict the enemy sounds like it would be impossible because of the Halting Problem.
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You mean, totally re-engineer it? Probably, but why?
shamasal
A potential fix for Wally, if nothing else is working. Was reading today how he may just not have a good connection with the speed force.
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Zoat isn't using the speed force, Zoat is using magic.
Kind of a lateral move, since the Speed Force and Magic are both aspects of the Source in DC comics, but eh.
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Can you give some examples. Currently I can't imagine anything to slot into "death-focused akin to suicidal thoughts or certain cult ideas, but not that".
Empiricist2
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Not really? They may have the same origin, but how they act within a story is completely different. Magic, generally, has known limits and restrictions, as well as its own areas of strength. Takes a long time to learn, magic items can't be mass produced, depends on personal mana if you don't want to rely on an outside force, etc. These limitations give it an ability to drive a plot, because the audience can broadly predict what CAN be easily solved with magic, and what can't. Nobody is pulling abilities out of nowhere, so tension can be preserved.
Speed Force is almost completely undefined in terms of what it can and can't do. Broadly, the user can do anything if they mumble the words "gotta go fast" while doing it. Run through time, make lightning, make tornadoes, whatever. Pulled directly from the DC wiki:
Article: Certain speedsters can use the Speed Force for more advanced applications such as time manipulation, energy construct creation, creating copies of themselves, or stealing/lending speed.
Conduits of the Speed Force who were gifted other powers instead of superhuman speed include: age manipulation, spacial-time mimicry, atomic inhibition, and process speed manipulation.
Half of those have nothing to do with going fast. If someone has a connection to the Speed Force, then they can basically pull powers out of a hat, and the audience has no ability to say that it doesn't make sense, because there aren't enough limits to what it can do. So tension is really hard to create, because we don't know in advance what the protagonist's tools are, and they potentially could just solve the plot in an instant.
Also, balancing opponents against someone who can move and react at superluminal speeds is basically impossible, if you want to portray your protagonist as anywhere near competent.
Awareness of their own mortality, or the mortality of the world around them. Contemplation of people who have died. Depression, even aside from those with suicidal thoughts.
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Given that the Source is God, everything's an aspect of the Source.
The thoughts of certain types of serial killer. An active William Hand would look pretty black, even while he was alive. Currently, William Hand 16 is not active.
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The same can be said about power rings, and in the Golden Age the same could be said of Superman. But I've posted about my interpretation of the Speed Force before, with a Doylist handwave that it's sometimes used by bad writers to defend things inconsistently. You don't have to call it the Speed Force, but there's definitely a consistent set of phenomena surrounding speedsters. Whatever you call it, it's the necessary conceptual insulation to protect a speedster from physics, and With This Ring definitely does use it in that sense -- in fact it uses it in that sense more skillfully than the source material does. (Then again WTR does a LOT of things more skillfully than the source material...)
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Takes long to learn? Selma Tolon who Zoat included in this story recites spells out of a book like a politician reading a teleprompter.
And when the base ability is "Can make anything you say backwards happen" you don't need to pull out extra powers.
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But she's not conjuring magic out of nothing. She has a magical artifact, she has the research of mages of the past, and most importantly if it's not in the book she can't cast it.
And both Zatanna and Zatara have shown that just talking backwards isn't enough, because you have to know how to express the effect you want or it's going to backfire on you, and you still have to have an understanding of what you're doing and the power necessary to back it up. Zatanna has on more than one occasion NOT been able to magick her way out of a situation. There's still an element of study involved, and there are still limits -- although not as clearly defined as the limits of a power ring.
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New Season 3 trailer.
Huh. I always pronounced Geo-Force's name as 'Brian', not 'bree-ohne'. Guess the latter makes more sense for something that's supposed to be... vaguely Europeanish. (Markovia's inconsistently depicted as either in Eastern Europe or in between France, Luxembourg and Germany.)
Empiricist2
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The first, and I think there is a slight echoey effect added in as well.
Learning an individual spell isn't learning how to do magic. Zoat has said it takes years of practice to become proficient as a mage. Learning a slightly new way to use existing magical abilities isn't the same as learning from scratch.
Coda covered my main point that Zatanna still has limits, including her personal mana storage. In addition, Zatanna's hereditary ability is regarded as extremely powerful precisely because she can do things so easily. The rest of the mages on the planet have to abide by the normal rules.
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The former. Greg talks about how hilarious it is in the recording booth for Nolan North and Lacey Chabert.
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You can have deadman things where the signal is when it is disabled...
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You know, given that OL is all about collecting new tech to do things that he doesn't really know how to do with his ring yet, like the phasing and such. I'm kind of surprised he hasn't looked in to The Atom's size shifting tech.
Why yes I did just see Ant-man and the Wasp, but beyond being surprised at how much in enjoy both movies (second is a little weak on the villains I feel and there just wasn't enough Giant Man) I'm really a sucker for Size Shifting. It's so simple, yet so cool.
Why yes I did just see Ant-man and the Wasp, but beyond being surprised at how much in enjoy both movies (second is a little weak on the villains I feel and there just wasn't enough Giant Man) I'm really a sucker for Size Shifting. It's so simple, yet so cool.
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I can imagine Paul using The Atom's tech would be either very easy or difficult depending on the situation since the change in size could affect how much power would be needed to create certain constructs or perform certain tasks, and from what I remember from Young Justice canon that version of Atom couldn't do much aside from change size compared to Ant-man's shrinking and growing ability.
Though I could imagine the villains of the Light groan about how Paul has figure out how to make himself even harder to kill or hurt since the shrinking would make it harder to target him and growing makes him more dangerous.
Though Mr. Zoat could make it so this version of the Atom and possibly Bumblebee could pull of some the stunts from Ant-man and the Wasp, with similar drawback or something to fit the setting, but some of the readers will go onto say how OP Paul has become and needs to be nerfed compared to New God Grayven's ability to tank divine lightning bolts/nukes/etc.
Other than that I'm interested on seeing Paul interact with the second string or lesser known heroes and if his rejoining the Team falls through possibly form his own heroic organization/network, similar to how Grayven formed a new Light, possibly form his own 'Outsiders' from the YJ season 3 trailer. Though I can't help but imagine the canon version trying to deal with the same problems WTR version has, but aren't on the level, as Paul pointed to Wally when dealing with Swamp Thing and Arcane. The sheer devastation would be something to see, in a horrific sort of way, especially without any of the censorship.
Though I could imagine the villains of the Light groan about how Paul has figure out how to make himself even harder to kill or hurt since the shrinking would make it harder to target him and growing makes him more dangerous.
Though Mr. Zoat could make it so this version of the Atom and possibly Bumblebee could pull of some the stunts from Ant-man and the Wasp, with similar drawback or something to fit the setting, but some of the readers will go onto say how OP Paul has become and needs to be nerfed compared to New God Grayven's ability to tank divine lightning bolts/nukes/etc.
Other than that I'm interested on seeing Paul interact with the second string or lesser known heroes and if his rejoining the Team falls through possibly form his own heroic organization/network, similar to how Grayven formed a new Light, possibly form his own 'Outsiders' from the YJ season 3 trailer. Though I can't help but imagine the canon version trying to deal with the same problems WTR version has, but aren't on the level, as Paul pointed to Wally when dealing with Swamp Thing and Arcane. The sheer devastation would be something to see, in a horrific sort of way, especially without any of the censorship.
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