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Grind (part 13)
2nd November
13:47 GMT -5


"…base themselves here, but the Justice League do virtually no policing within Washington DC itself. And intervening when the Hall of Justice is attacked feels… Strange."

I had rather assumed that a former Roman Centurion would be less sociable than this, but Marcus is actually quite pleasant company. And.. now I'm.. feeling mildly guilty for putting him on the 'low priority' Justice League membership list, more useful for the Pax Romana than for himself. His ship has FTL and some weaponry, but it's designed as a mobile infantry command post rather than as a ship of war. If it had been an actual warship, I'd have prioritised him a little higher.

"Trust me, their internal defences aren't that impressive."

We land in front of the office building which the Alliance are using as their head office. Budding superheroes aren't expected to come here in order to register, but apparently setting up an organisation dedicated to supporting pro-social law-breaking is easier from the capital city.

"So… How does the training work?"

"Some are online affairs, but I understand that they want to run on-site seminars as soon as they get enough interest." He leads the way through the revolving rooms and into the lobby. "I've told them that I'm willing to act as a tutor."

"For active superheroes or people thinking about starting out?"

"Either. Though personally, I'd wait until they'd been active for a few months before inviting anyone." He waves at the receptionist, who picks up his phone. "I think that too many journalists and other such rubberneckers would turn up otherwise."

"Maybe they could just give a discount. 'Five dollars off per scar'?"

"Would it not be better to reward those without-? No, that unfairly benefits those with superhuman resilience or regenerative abilities."

"So they do charge?"

He nods. "At cost. This organisation is a charity, but things must be paid for-" The lift doors open. "-somehow. Ah, Vincent!"

"Marcus! Always a pleasure." Mister Edge walks a little awkwardly out of the lift, visibly putting weight on his cane. "And Orange Lantern. What brings you here?"

"When the leader of a crime syndicate starts hiring superheroes, it sounds like a trend I should monitor."

"Ah." He nods. "Batman send you?"

"I'm not formally affiliated with the Justice League at present. However, if I had to guess how he felt about it…"

Another nod, then he turns towards the reception desk. "Patrick, hold my calls for an hour, will yah?"

"Sure thing, Mister Edge."

Mister Edge looks up at me. "We should probably have this discussion in private."

"As you wish."

Marcus and I follow him as he leads the way down a side corridor and into a small meeting room. He gestures to us to take a couple of seats, then closes the door and activates an instrument panel. Ring?

ECM field detected. Ring function not impaired.

"Can't be too careful." He makes his way over to the opposite side of the table and-. I push the chair out with a construct for him. "Mm, thanks." He sits down very carefully, putting his walking stick across his legs. "Welcome to my offices. Only moved in last month, so things aren't quite fully set up yet."

"I… Had understood that you were fully recovered. If you're not up to-."

He shakes his head, waving his right hand dismissively. "I'm probably better than I think I am. You have one heart attack, you never want to have another. And that's kinda why I'm doing this. I know it looks fishy as all get out, but..." I turn up my empathic vision. No, that would be too easy. "You met an angel, right?"

"I've had that… Happen."

"And you met a demon right outside the Hall of Justice. And I had a heart attack." He shrugs. "I know a man having apprehension about his own mortality isn't the best reason for… You know… Some of the things…"

"Some of the things you're alleged to have done."

"Yeah." He looks away for a moment, then shakes his head. "Ah, hell. No point lying about it now. I've done more than enough for God to damn me. And I don't think I've got all that long to make up for it. It's a-" He lightly taps the left side of his chest with his right hand. "-warning. A reminder. I've got money, my wife's dead and my son's companies are all legitimate. I want-. No. I need to give something back."

"Why superheroes?"

"I bought off dozens of police back in the day. Never bought off one guy crazy enough to come at me with his trunks on the outside. Someone crazy enough to fight like that could do anything."

Marcus smiles. "With proper organisation."

Mister Edge nods. "No one can say I don't know the law. Or how crime works, how it pays. This is my… My expertise. And you're all in favour of rehabilitation, right?"

He's probably talking about Thomas and Tuppence rather than alluding to Jade… "Of course. What's the point of putting people in prison if you're not going to try and straighten them out?"

"God…" He looks away for a moment. "God handled the 'straighten out' bit for you." He takes a deep breath before returning his gaze to me. "So." He manages a small smile. "You going to haul me off now, or is there something else you want to ask?"

"One thing. Could you please take off your ward?"

"What, this?" He takes a small metallic plate out of his jacket pocket and lays it on the table. "That any better?"

"Yes."

I'm seeing a genuine desire to redeem himself, and as he said it's built up around an imprint of a very Old Testament sort of God, glaring down at him while he lies weak and helpless. Not.. unusual in itself, but fairly unusual amongst violent career criminals. I'm not seeing anything else that would cause him to change his mind, it's literally just fear of Jehovah's retribution.

But I'll take what I can get.

"Thank you, you can put it back on now."

"Thanks." He slides it back into his pocket. "Do I want to know what you just did?"

"I used.. 'exotic' means to confirm your story. And I see that you were telling the truth."

He nods, managing a small smile. "Glad to hear it. You know, I'd ask for your input in all of this, except I already know what you'd say?"

"Really?"

"I don't think classified Justice League reports just 'happen' to get posted through our doors."

"It is not Justice League policy to comment on leaks."

It isn't, coincidentally.

Marcus' smile broadens. "I read it as well. You argued intelligently for the League to improve its command and control capacities. Has your view found any favor?"

"I don't believe so."

Mister Edge raises his eyebrows. "We could always use new trainers, if you can spare us the time? Or any information you've got on supervillains that you're allowed to share. I know.. normal crime. With super crime I can't tell what stuff online is true and what's nonsense."

I do need to check out the rest of the organisation as well…

"I can share my own records with you. Not Justice League records, but my own observations." Two nods. "And in return? I was wondering if you could help me track down some thieves."
 
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Quite honestly any reason that encourages people to actively be better is a good thing in my mind as long as they are not actively harming others.
 
I can see his point; there's probably a pretty strong self selection process weeding out people overridingly interested in normal things like money when it comes to superheroes.

And while he's probably wrong about an actual Jehovah taking a personal interest in punishing him, given the spiritual mechanics of the setting he's right to be worried anyway.
 
You know, i don't think it ever crossed my mind that with all the religious reveals, that criminals would suddenly start trying to repent.
Wonder how many villains truly are trying to change their lives.
 
You know, i don't think it ever crossed my mind that with all the religious reveals, that criminals would suddenly start trying to repent.
Wonder how many villains truly are trying to change their lives.
Or converting to other religions. It'd be kind of funny if that Themysciran priestess of Hades attracted a lot of supervillain interest because "The Fields of Punishment aren't all that bad, in comparison."
 
Or converting to other religions. It'd be kind of funny if that Themysciran priestess of Hades attracted a lot of supervillain interest because "The Fields of Punishment aren't all that bad, in comparison."
"I'd rather not be punished at all, but if my afterlife has to be a prison I'd rather have one with a parole board."
 
Hmm, so Morgan Edge is supposed to be a legitimate businessman?

That makes me wonder if that's the wishful thinking of a father or if this Morgan Edge really has a clean nose.

Hmm... Did Highfather actually do something about Apokolyps dealing with Intergang or did Edge get a Darkseid talk down?

The point of selling Intergang Apokaliptic weapons seemed to be to set up a trap for the Forever People, honestly.

Since that plan was already carried out, Apokalips might have just lost interest.
 
Given the existence of groups like the Resurrection Crusade, the surge of repentance amongst less than moral people will probably be balanced out by an increase in membership of the aforementioned religious zealots.

Pretty worrying when you consider the full scope of implications.
 
Hmm... so the guy is legit trying to be a good person and trying to turn his life around?

Neat. Something genuinely nice happening. Hope it sticks and isn't some other villains complicated plot.
 
"…base themselves here, but the Justice League do virtually no policing within Washington DC itself. And intervening when the Hall of Justice is attacked feels… Strange."

So are Hawk and Dove active on E-16-ZOAT? I ask because in their own series, they were Washington's protectors, and they weren't mentioned in this update.

EDIT: Sorry, just realized that you mentioned this in the past. So are they active or not in Washington?
 
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So are Hawk and Dove active on E-16-ZOAT? I ask because in their own series, they were Washington's protectors, and they weren't mentioned in this update.

EDIT: Sorry, just realized that you mentioned this in the past. So are they active or not in Washington?
Considering that another plot thread of this arc involves, at minimum, a Lord of Order that might be loosely connected to certain stolen statues...
 
I... genuinely can't follow this. Its not that I don't understand the... motives(?) of the... characters(?) or anything specific like that(though, I don't), I just... do not understand what this is depicting. There are a lot frames where people are doing seemingly unrelated things, there's a lot of apparently conflicting dialogue that oscillates between "communist revolutionary speech" and "Alex Jone's Infowars", I can't tell who is doing what or even keep track of characters... what is this?
Purest essence of Steve Ditko, may he rest in peace.
 
I think that we should encourage shades of morality between "Ultra Hitler" and "actually correct in their decisions". I hope that you can acknowledge that someone can still be wrong even if they have some level of justification for their actions.

Besides, as @DarkHabit says above, the Empire didn't do spectacularly in the invasion either.

I did mention leader incompetence as another reason for the ships being the way they are. Besides, the bad engineering didn't stop with the Empire.

I don't think he fully conveyed the level of insanity. Not enough screaming.

could i get a source on the first sentence

if i'm honest, anything was better than the POS Galactic republic. the only thing keeping it together were inertia. plus the resulting peace from the war made the Galaxy peaceful for the first time in decades.

Not at all.

From a meta perspective, it was retroactively justifying the Empires Military decisions and doctrine, not the Empire itself. The fact you can't tell the difference is somewhat alarming.

My apologies.

I've had to listen to one too many Empire apologists/outright Palpatine fanboys use the Vong as justification; coupled with multiple genuinely stupid editorial decisions made during the series... I get touchy.
 
Is "being good because you fear eternal, horrific torture" really something "genuinely nice"?

If someone is genuinely trying to be a better person and turn their life around is there really any good reason to complain about why their doing it?

Whether they don't want to go to prison, had a brush with death and are thinking about their mortality, or just had a epiphany about the way their life is going, as long as it's a sincere effort to better themselves I'm all for it. Those are some of my favorite kind of stories. A bad guy going straight.

If you want to say his efforts don't count because they involve Christianity and someone that knows they've been a sinner, that's your opinion and you're welcome to it, but I disagree.

That being said, this is just a story so it's all semantics anyway you slice it. The guy could end up being the big bad of this arc for all I know.
 
Quite honestly any reason that encourages people to actively be better is a good thing in my mind as long as they are not actively harming others.

I agree. Now, let's talk about some of the areas where people disagree on what constitutes as "good", what is "actively harming others" and where the harm might be less obvious.


Is "being good because you fear eternal, horrific torture" really something "genuinely nice"?

Now THAT is a question for the ages.
Also, does it really matter if the result is basically the same?
 
There's been several media that's made the point that repentance for fear of punishment isn't true repentance, but frankly I don't buy it. The Bible is too gung-ho about making people afraid of God's wrath. It only makes sense if fear is supposed to motivate you to good.

Also, the SMBC gets it slightly but importantly wrong. It doesn't matter what A is made of. The important thing is that B and C are made of fire. Even an amoral idiot can pick D if A and D are the only squares on offer.
 
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I'm seeing a genuine desire to redeem himself, and as he said it's built up around an imprint of a very Old Testament sort of God, glaring down at him while he lies weak and helpless. Not.. unusual in itself, but fairly unusual amongst violent career criminals. I'm not seeing anything else that would cause him to change his mind, it's literally just fear of Jehovah's retribution.
I'm somewhat surprised that he isn't recommending alternative forms of worship and afterlife to him; if nothing else wanting to Change his ways sounds like a good reason to recommend him to Eris.
 
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