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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Everything about this chapter and the last is absolutely amazing. Why oh god why do we have to have a Grayven episode now. Do you gain power from our suffering Zoat?
 
You know, I can just picture Paul getting calls from Jewish superheroes who want to speak with him now in a crack version of this story.

Like Ramban the kabbalist.

Like Seraph the Jewish school teacher with the strength of Samson, Moses' staff, the ring of Solomon, mantle of Elijah, and the ability to request miracles and have them answered.
 
Angelica? Why is it that every female that is a nun or Angel related in any way in comic books is always named Angelica almost always anyway zoat did you really have to choose and jelica as the name or is that her superhero name?
 
Did enlightenment somehow retard his ability to understand his own species or is it just the orange light? Cause there is no way in hell any average person today wouldn't figure out how much shit confessing to all this is gonna stir up. He is going to be lucky if only a single holy war gets called for the sole purpose of putting him in the ground. A good 53% of the planet follow a Judaeo Christian religion and he went on national television to let everybody know he just literally stole from god him/her self.

But it's ok, cause obviously he was in the right

I honestly think he needs a good beating. Not for religious reasons, mind, but he is getting Chinese cultivator protag levels of arrogant and self-righteous.
 
Massgamer said:
I would not mine if this whole episodes was just Paul dropping bombshells and inviting godly beings to the stage for the tv.:p
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Well, he has several Olympians on speed dial, like Hera, Hephaestus and Eris (might be a bit too disruptive). Them being called in too would work interestingly at least. Teth Adom might also want to advertise his religion.
hance1986 said:
It might be interesting if Paul is given an invitation to the Vatican to meet with the Pope and the other higher ups.
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This is long overdue, really. I mean, they need to plan that crusade into hell.
Zefferen said:
Father Mattias must be a catholic superstar at this point. He keeps showing up on television whenever people need a religious perspective on some magical matter. Within the church his feats of valor like going to hell and back fighting the good fight are probably also well known.
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He might well be considered for the line of succession to the Pope, really. Also, @Mr Zoat , has Paul offered father Mathias Danner formula?
 
I'm kinda hoping that eventually Paul meets someone high up in heavens ranks and he just goes on a absolute tirade about how much he doesn't like them.

And then the angel responds that his points are somewhat valid but not really their fault since they didn't make this universe, various writers from dc and vertigo did.

Paul is shocked that they have medium awareness. They reply that they are written with omnipotence and omnipresence and such, but they can only do what they are written to do, hence the illogical, unreasonable, conflicting, and in a number of ways blasphemous version they have in this universe.

They part on good terms, Paul's complaints addressed, and heaven saying their happy to help however they can depending on how they are written. Paul thinking they are talking about dc writers but leaving open the potential they know it's a fanfic.
 
bigking321 said:
I'm kinda hoping that eventually Paul meets someone high up in heavens ranks and he just goes on a absolute tirade about how much he doesn't like them.

And then the angel responds that his points are somewhat valid but not really their fault since they didn't make this universe, various writers from dc and vertigo did.

Paul is shocked that they have medium awareness. They reply that they are written with omnipotence and omnipresence and such, but they can only do what they are written to do, hence the illogical, unreasonable, conflicting, and in a number of ways blasphemous version they have in this universe.

They part on good terms, Paul's complaints addressed, and heaven saying their happy to help however they can depending on how they are written. Paul thinking they are talking about dc writers but leaving open the potential they know it's a fanfic.
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Oh god we do not need more meta-stuff after last episode.
 
What's "lintel-friendly"?

Mr Zoat said:
If the Silver City was willing to help, which it hasn't shown any sign of doing to date.
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I'm almost certainly wrong but it feels like "doing" is the wrong verb here, or at the very least could just be removed. This is character dialogue, so it doesn't need to be corrected anyways - but someone should really tell me that I am wrong or this is going to bug me while I lie awake at ungodly hours.
 
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DrBigFish said:
Did enlightenment somehow retard his ability to understand his own species or is it just the orange light? Cause there is no way in hell any average person today wouldn't figure out how much shit confessing to all this is gonna stir up. He is going to be lucky if only a single holy war gets called for the sole purpose of putting him in the ground. A good 53% of the planet follow a Judaeo Christian religion and he went on national television to let everybody know he just literally stole from god him/her self.
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an angel came down from heaven and called the theft a minor sin. He stole a fruit, one, from a fruiting tree that had a bunch and will regrow it. Heaven is not really hurt and by all appearances is aware of and mostly ok with this. So only a small subset of that 53% is going to be angry, and an even smaller subset of that subset will be angry enough to actually do anything about it. I don't get why you're so up in arms about this, OL has a long history of being ok with cutting up sacred cows for steaks. It's just this time it was a Christian sacred cow.
 
DrBigFish said:
Did enlightenment somehow retard his ability to understand his own species or is it just the orange light? Cause there is no way in hell any average person
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The average person... As if Paul was average before he even entered this universe. Superheroes aren't the average person. They've chosen to act for the benefit of society, where the average person is frozen by the bystander effect.
 
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OrigamiPhoenix said:
What's "lintel-friendly"?



I'm almost certainly wrong but it feels like "doing" is the wrong verb here, or at the very least could just be removed. This is character dialogue, so it doesn't need to be corrected anyways - but someone should really tell me that I am wrong or this is going to bug me while I lie awake at ungodly hours.
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As in a door lintel. It's the horizontal part at the top of a doorway.
 
DrBigFish said:
He is going to be lucky if only a single holy war gets called for the sole purpose of putting him in the ground. A good 53% of the planet follow a Judaeo Christian religion and he went on national television to let everybody know he just literally stole from god him/her self.
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I know there's some degree of webcomic time occurring here, but please don't forget that it was not that long ago in-verse that Paul publicly rotated the moon on a whim. Normal people are...not likely to want to have a go at him. And heaven certainly doesn't seem to be very aggrieved, so....

The real problem with this episode, and the Silver City's existence in DC, is that it creates a similar problem as Wakanda does in Marvel (which only the recent Black Panther took advantage of): where the fuck has heaven been? Most people have been living in horrific conditions & suffering for their entire lives for thousands of years. A significant percentage of those people were Judeo-Christian. Why the fuck hasn't heaven done anything meaningful to help them?

For the supposed source of morality and an infinite wellspring of love and compassion, heaven seems to not behave very morally.

People in real life console themselves over the obvious absence of the loving god they believe in by reasoning that god works invisibly and is subtle beyond measure in order to not interfere with free will. But if an actual angel can publicly descend from heaven to talk to a glowing weirdo about a fruit which clearly does not matter, then that kinda shatters the illusion.

DC people aren't upset about Paul. Not really. They're upset that their personal beliefs were completely wrong.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"Well, it wasn't… Because of that. But he got seduced by a succubus, who.. tore out his heart. Then he was recalled to the Silver City, cast out and his wings cut off with a chainsaw so that no one would know what he was. He was left like that for a few months, then the First of the Fallen found out where his heart was, had him lick his shoes clean, then crushed his heart and sent him to hell. Where -given what Zauriel said on the subject- I assume he still is."
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DC Christianity is fucking metal dude. That seems like the most brutal thing you could have ever said to the public about their religion.
 
DarkSideBard said:
People in real life console themselves over the obvious absence of the loving god they believe in by reasoning that god works invisibly and is subtle beyond measure in order to not interfere with free will. But if an actual angel can publicly descend from heaven to talk to a glowing weirdo about a fruit which clearly does not matter, then that kinda shatters the illusion.

DC people aren't upset about Paul. Not really. They're upset that their personal beliefs were completely wrong.
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Wakanda went after Klaue for years for stealing vibranium even though they had a mountain full of it. People also died

I don't know where I was going with this. Cue Lucifer fighting with Yahweh in front of a waterfall, over a cliff.
 
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