With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
- Thread starter Mr Zoat
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Wow, I haven't seen the WTR readership this strongly divided since ... a couple weeks ago!
I'm just waiting until the QQ OL drops in with a "Honestly, it's not that great, they keep trying to rush you past the important things."
I'm just waiting until the QQ OL drops in with a "Honestly, it's not that great, they keep trying to rush you past the important things."
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- U.S.
Weeks?
Yeah the base does get really divided every few days.
But its only every couple of hours that this happens, its not that bad.
I mean, we haven't even had one in the past minute or two!
Though, at this rate, it'll probably devolve into chaos within the next few seconds.
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- Ashtabula
It would be interesting to see our OL through the eyes of this OL. Especially if he was in the process of being as unstoppable as he has been while taking on the Citadel and invading forces of Adom's city.
But...that probably wouldn't be the case. OL is just so polite and English that ass whooping just doesn't happen as often as I would like. I don't know what he would be doing...but there would probably be crumpets involved.
But...that probably wouldn't be the case. OL is just so polite and English that ass whooping just doesn't happen as often as I would like. I don't know what he would be doing...but there would probably be crumpets involved.
I have some friends who are in a successful polyamorous trio. They have also, in the past, been in an UNsuccessful one. That conversation had me grinning with the degree of honest communication demonstrated.
Stratagemini
Totally a Fire Ferret.
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- Central Park
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- He/Him/They/Them
This setting sort of reminds me of the setup from The Years of Rice and Salt. I wonder if the trigger was the same?
So many people are put off by this development, especially if this is just some temporary timeline due to be erased and made meaningless . . . And I'm just sitting here, thinking to myself, "Yes. Yes. Give me more info dumps. The alternate history geek in me demands it."
Though if I were in Paul's shoes, I'd also find the encouragement to pursue polygamy to be very offputting. Though I did find it interesting that polygamy in this world was stated to be very rare outside of the rich despite being considered socially acceptable.
Though if I were in Paul's shoes, I'd also find the encouragement to pursue polygamy to be very offputting. Though I did find it interesting that polygamy in this world was stated to be very rare outside of the rich despite being considered socially acceptable.
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- Sector 2814
Not that weird, really. It's expensive. It sounds like the default expectation is multiple houses (one of Paul's objections was that he wanted everyone in one home), which, well, just one dwelling is a major financial burden for most people. Then if you involve children, from multiple wives? That's going to be difficult for anyone outside of the rich to afford. Though it does make me wonder about whether this China had the one-child policy - this is a couple years before the real world version was fully phased out. Wouldn't impact superfunctionaries, but would affect the expected costs on normal people.
The previous chapter, while disappointing, at least had the virtue of being informative and relevant about the ongoing situation.
This is pure filler. It is about relationship mechanics between characters we have never seen before, will never see again and have no reason to give a damn about.
I freely admit that the Alt History speculation is fascinating. But this really isn't the story, or the sub-forum, for it.
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- Just hanging
I like to imagine Paul trying to explain his adventure through time and space to his friends or his report to the League/Batman.
After dealing with the time traveling assasins he gets taken to the future by future heroes trying to maintain their timeline, gets put into a holding cell next to Truggs who tells him he wasn't the one to warn him earlier, and meetst what could possible either the last remaining Controller of that timeline or a sentient timeline that sends him back to an alternate timeline.
One of which China is a major superpower, he seemed to have joined the Superfunctionaries, and is dating that version of Jade also who is trying to talk him into dating that timeline's version of Green Lantern.
After dealing with the time traveling assasins he gets taken to the future by future heroes trying to maintain their timeline, gets put into a holding cell next to Truggs who tells him he wasn't the one to warn him earlier, and meetst what could possible either the last remaining Controller of that timeline or a sentient timeline that sends him back to an alternate timeline.
One of which China is a major superpower, he seemed to have joined the Superfunctionaries, and is dating that version of Jade also who is trying to talk him into dating that timeline's version of Green Lantern.
Well, if North America was colonized by China in this timeline . . . They could have offloaded a fair number of people and maybe just haven't hit the point where the one child policy was deemed necessary. Or got themselves developed to the point where families have fewer kids sooner than historically?
I think I saw a line in their that said this China is still ruled by the Qing Dynasty . . . Hmm . . . I wonder if they still have that law regarding that hairstyle for men? Men in Qing China had to have a specific hairstyle on pain of execution.
I think I saw a line in their that said this China is still ruled by the Qing Dynasty . . . Hmm . . . I wonder if they still have that law regarding that hairstyle for men? Men in Qing China had to have a specific hairstyle on pain of execution.
Empiricist2
Let's play doctor!
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- Baton Rouge
I forget specifically where, I think on Wikipedia, but I've read that polygamy is actually significantly detrimental to a country's GDP, and is one reason why the places that do have legal polygamy aren't particularly developed. The reasoning was that when it's legal and accepted to have multiple wives, as a reproductive strategy it's best for a man to always seek new wives rather than invest in his current ones. It's also not beneficial for a society to have lots of single men for whom it is nearly impossible to get wives, because all the wives are going to the men who are already successful i.e. the ones who have wives.
I'll try to dig up sources for this when I have time, because I can't guarantee that I'm remembering it correctly, although I'm much more certain of the conclusion that polygamy is extremely detrimental to society from a productivity standpoint.
Wikipedia article on Polygyny is where I was remembering from.
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I recommend reading the whole article, as it's pretty interesting, but these are the bits that back up my initial claims.
So polygamy is bad for developed societies, and not just by a little bit. 170% increase in GDP is rather absurd, even disregarding every other moral reason for outlawing polygamy.
I'll try to dig up sources for this when I have time, because I can't guarantee that I'm remembering it correctly, although I'm much more certain of the conclusion that polygamy is extremely detrimental to society from a productivity standpoint.
Wikipedia article on Polygyny is where I was remembering from.
Article: Polygynous countries usually have a higher fertility rate, fewer savings reserves, and a lower GDP. Fertility would decrease by 40%, savings would increase by 70%, and GDP would increase by 170% if polygyny was banned.
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Article: Other research shows that wherever polygyny is widely practised societies become destabilized, bloodier, more likely to invade neighbours and more likely to fail. This has been attributed to the inequality factor of polygyny, where rich men can take extra wives, leaving more poor men single. A study has also shown that, after controlling for other factors, African children in polygynous families were more likely to die young, due to less attentive fathers.
I recommend reading the whole article, as it's pretty interesting, but these are the bits that back up my initial claims.
So polygamy is bad for developed societies, and not just by a little bit. 170% increase in GDP is rather absurd, even disregarding every other moral reason for outlawing polygamy.
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There are still Christian Europeans though. So the Black Death being 99% mortal isn't the trigger.
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- Australia
Polygamy (and polyamory more broadly) isn't necessarily more resource-intensive than monogamy, and can actually be more efficient. However, for it to be so, it requires a society which accepts women as equal financial contributors in relationships, necessitating near-equal participation in the workforce, as well as a societal work ethic that doesn't expect Japanese-style over-commitment to your job. This would provide greater financial stability in polygamous households than in monogamous households, which takes away an appreciable amount of strain when it comes to raising children. Although, the scenario I propose is an ideal one, and this new sino-centric setting still has unknown factors that could play against it, and there could be many logical in-story reasons that polygamous relationships are so rare: resource shortages; the relative effort of entering into and then maintaining a polygamous relationship compared to a monogamous one; historical tendencies towards monogamy (one partner policy?), even when rendered unnecessary, being played out by future generations; It being considered old-fashioned or prohibitively prestigious; etc.
As for Paul's case, he's already shown himself to be awkward when it comes to relationships, but he's still managed to negotiate one with Jade. With all the possible factors of this scenario, as well as his character, it's not surprising that he'd be inclined to accept a modest victory with lower stakes (monogamy with Jade), rather than swinging for the fences, even if he really wants the potential outcome of the latter. It really shows the difference between enlightened and unenlightened Paul; but if that Mother of Mercy hallucination is any indication, it shows that both Pauls want to extend their romantic affections to more people, but are constrained by their notions of relationships.
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- south america
Yup, that's how I read most of this until I caught up with the thread couple of months ago. Thanks for doing that, by the way, made it a lot easier to take it away with me on vacations. I was fairly impressed that it even had working links, WTR is one of the first fanfics I read so I guess I was biased to expect less polish
I just found my Kindle and checked it part by part, as far as I can tell everything is working before Part 20 but then it starts to act out. No matter the font size I set, part 20 has only one page. If the font is smaller more words fit into it and it shows stuff I couldn't see before, but the next page is always blank except for the "Back to Top" link. Part 21 is the same, with part 22 being similar except that instead of just having "Back to Top" it starts with "oh, here we go" then has a snipped called Normal Storyline.
After that it seems to be working, and I when checking I realize that I could sometimes browse inside the chapter/part if I went backwards but it doesn't work consistently. It might also, for some reason, be only an issue on my device so ideally other people would check it.
Prince Charon
Just zis guy, you know?
Yeah, it seems that Paul is only ever smooth with women by accident. I sympathize.
Hestia&theCourt
Turns out we're plural too.
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I'm not even smooth by accident, so at least you have that going for you.
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- Greece
Yeah.. that is probably the Queen of Fable quoteboxes.Yup, that's how I read most of this until I caught up with the thread couple of months ago. Thanks for doing that, by the way, made it a lot easier to take it away with me on vacations. I was fairly impressed that it even had working links, WTR is one of the first fanfics I read so I guess I was biased to expect less polish
I just found my Kindle and checked it part by part, as far as I can tell everything is working before Part 20 but then it starts to act out. No matter the font size I set, part 20 has only one page. If the font is smaller more words fit into it and it shows stuff I couldn't see before, but the next page is always blank except for the "Back to Top" link. Part 21 is the same, with part 22 being similar except that instead of just having "Back to Top" it starts with "oh, here we go" then has a snipped called Normal Storyline.
After that it seems to be working, and I when checking I realize that I could sometimes browse inside the chapter/part if I went backwards but it doesn't work consistently. It might also, for some reason, be only an issue on my device so ideally other people would check it.
Well the good news is that I am currently redoing S2 due to all of the corrections from @ThrawnCA. So I wil see what I can do. When it is out (I don;t have much time so at the earliest it should be over a week from now) I could ping you and you could see if the new version works.
In which case, there are 2 Pauls for 2 Jades
So... a foursome? Omnidirectional?
It's only gender equal
I think it was more like:
*OL starts mentioning recognising him and the anti-monitor*
Trapper(thinking): He knows me? ACK! He's mentioning the Anti-Monitor! No ones supposed to know about him! Shit, the Legionaires are listening, gotta shut him up! "Return!"
*OL vanishes into the past*
*timequake hits*
Trapper: what the hell? now the timeline is even more screwed up!
And to clarify some confusion from earlier that might have been introduced from me talking about Ame-Comi. Paul isn't in the Ame-Comi universe. Zoat is just using the Ame-Comi Green Lantern as this timeline's GL. Details about her worth mentioning . . .
She's blind. She was big on mountain climbing before she got her ring. That green construct on her head that looks like headphones lets her hear the "song of the universe", which basically translates into letting her "see" the way Daredevil does. Only where the comics and that old Spiderman cartoon had Daredevil see everything in various shades of red, Jade sees everything in various shades of green.
Oh, and she is extremely attractive. Like, holy shit you guys.
She's blind. She was big on mountain climbing before she got her ring. That green construct on her head that looks like headphones lets her hear the "song of the universe", which basically translates into letting her "see" the way Daredevil does. Only where the comics and that old Spiderman cartoon had Daredevil see everything in various shades of red, Jade sees everything in various shades of green.
Oh, and she is extremely attractive. Like, holy shit you guys.
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- Australia
The article conflates correlation and causation in a really bad way. Polygamy may lead to more sexually frustrated young men but in the west sexually frustrated young men do things like watching porn, going to the gym or complaining about life on 4chan. They don't murder farmers to steal cows so they can buy a woman.
I also think that in an egalitarian society poly relationships won't have that much of a problem. Both because there would also be women involved with multiple men and because I don't expect poly relationships to be particularly common given the work needed to keep everyone happy.
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- Argentina
Rule 4: Don't be disruptive
Well time to skip this like I did the whole Lotus Machine thing. I mean is just a Time Trapper Pocket Universe anyway so...
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- Earth, 3rd rock from the Sun
I'm rather agog at anyone calling outlawing consensual sexual practices moral. From a moral viewpoint, outlawing polygamy is exactly the same as outlawing homosexuality. You are saying you are entitled to legislate the sexual lifestyles of other people, and punish them for finding love or being in a relationship in a manner you disapprove of.
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