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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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Omake time! This was written by @Trunko and myself (but mostly by Trunko) and betaed by myself and @Mr Zoat . Hope you have fun reading it!
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Some days, Robert couldn't catch a break.
Robert was bringing his boss, David Miscavige, his afternoon coffee when David waved for him to stop. Robert stopped and stood in the office, warm mug in hand, and watched. His boss seemed to be intensely interested in the interview of Orange Lantern.
The TV quietly announced "You refused to repent?"
David leaned forward a bit and began to listen attentively. Robert had never seen him get this intense before. Most of the time, David was a pretty casual sort of man, but today. This interview must really be getting to him. Shoulders up, arms tense, carefully neutral face. Maybe he was upset?
As the interview wound down, David clicked once with the remote on his desktop, then spoke from his seat at his desk. "Robert, tell me what you think of this man, this Orange Lantern?"
Robert thought carefully about what he thought David might like to hear and answered a few moments later. "Boss, it seems to me that Orange Lantern continues to promote several misguided religious communities with his rhetoric. First by revealing that demons exist and now angels. It seems that he should be our enemy, undoing all the hard work of our congregation, especially our recruiting from association with notable figures!"
David was watching him now, and was doing it in a very scary way. Did he want him to continue?
"Worse, he's an affiliate with the Justice League, that far-right association of superhumans which almost exposed our rehabilitation project in Los Angeles last year. It is very likely that they already have us in the cross-hairs, and this ... thing… it's just another attempt to try and steal our worshipers. It's obviously part of a plot from Xenu!"
David was now looking directly in his eyes. Robert he could not help but swallow in fear.
"So, what would you do in my place? What should be done to combat this suppressive person? How would you negate this attack?"
Robert took a few seconds to think clearly.
"Boss, I think we should launch a counter attack: hold a press conference, and press charges for libel and slander. We should send our a few of our most prominent members to GBS and accuse him of hating us. We should find out every bad deed he has ever done and publish it in our faithful news media. Maybe we should also sue him and his League for…"
"Robert, stop. I've heard enough."
Robert shut his mouth. When David says to stop talking, it meant that.
"I've recognized you motivations and your concerns. I can say that most of our member would say the same thing you did…"
Robert smiled internally. Maybe he managed to impress David?
"And that is the reason you'll never be me."
Maybe not.
"I'm sorry boss, I don't think I understand…"
"Naturally you don't understand. You're just a common man: you see a menace and immediately decide you need to destroy it, even though it will cost you considerable resources and credibility. But I'm special. I can recognize the strength of our potential foes, their charisma… and which of them deserves to become part of us."
"What?" whispered Robert.
"Yes. Orange Lantern is clearly a stupid man, but every suppressive person gets the chance to see the light. Also, you have seen his resources: he has a considerable charisma, as Senator Knight discovered some time ago, and his work as a hero makes him pretty popular with the masses. He's also pretty rich according to our sources, and would be able to out-money us in court should we decide to sue him. But these potential weapons could be very useful, if we would be able to convince him to join us."
David stood up from his chair and walked in direction of the window. Robert was not sure, but he believed he saw a smile on his boss's face.
"All that money… such popularity… his charisma…the prestige of having our own world-saving superhero… and maybe more. We just need to have him in our ranks. Robert, call our best men, immediately. We need him!"
Robert nodded, before heading quick to the door. He didn't want to destroy his boss's dreams of glory…
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Some days, Robert couldn't catch a break.
Robert was bringing his boss, David Miscavige, his afternoon coffee when David waved for him to stop. Robert stopped and stood in the office, warm mug in hand, and watched. His boss seemed to be intensely interested in the interview of Orange Lantern.
The TV quietly announced "You refused to repent?"
David leaned forward a bit and began to listen attentively. Robert had never seen him get this intense before. Most of the time, David was a pretty casual sort of man, but today. This interview must really be getting to him. Shoulders up, arms tense, carefully neutral face. Maybe he was upset?
As the interview wound down, David clicked once with the remote on his desktop, then spoke from his seat at his desk. "Robert, tell me what you think of this man, this Orange Lantern?"
Robert thought carefully about what he thought David might like to hear and answered a few moments later. "Boss, it seems to me that Orange Lantern continues to promote several misguided religious communities with his rhetoric. First by revealing that demons exist and now angels. It seems that he should be our enemy, undoing all the hard work of our congregation, especially our recruiting from association with notable figures!"
David was watching him now, and was doing it in a very scary way. Did he want him to continue?
"Worse, he's an affiliate with the Justice League, that far-right association of superhumans which almost exposed our rehabilitation project in Los Angeles last year. It is very likely that they already have us in the cross-hairs, and this ... thing… it's just another attempt to try and steal our worshipers. It's obviously part of a plot from Xenu!"
David was now looking directly in his eyes. Robert he could not help but swallow in fear.
"So, what would you do in my place? What should be done to combat this suppressive person? How would you negate this attack?"
Robert took a few seconds to think clearly.
"Boss, I think we should launch a counter attack: hold a press conference, and press charges for libel and slander. We should send our a few of our most prominent members to GBS and accuse him of hating us. We should find out every bad deed he has ever done and publish it in our faithful news media. Maybe we should also sue him and his League for…"
"Robert, stop. I've heard enough."
Robert shut his mouth. When David says to stop talking, it meant that.
"I've recognized you motivations and your concerns. I can say that most of our member would say the same thing you did…"
Robert smiled internally. Maybe he managed to impress David?
"And that is the reason you'll never be me."
Maybe not.
"I'm sorry boss, I don't think I understand…"
"Naturally you don't understand. You're just a common man: you see a menace and immediately decide you need to destroy it, even though it will cost you considerable resources and credibility. But I'm special. I can recognize the strength of our potential foes, their charisma… and which of them deserves to become part of us."
"What?" whispered Robert.
"Yes. Orange Lantern is clearly a stupid man, but every suppressive person gets the chance to see the light. Also, you have seen his resources: he has a considerable charisma, as Senator Knight discovered some time ago, and his work as a hero makes him pretty popular with the masses. He's also pretty rich according to our sources, and would be able to out-money us in court should we decide to sue him. But these potential weapons could be very useful, if we would be able to convince him to join us."
David stood up from his chair and walked in direction of the window. Robert was not sure, but he believed he saw a smile on his boss's face.
"All that money… such popularity… his charisma…the prestige of having our own world-saving superhero… and maybe more. We just need to have him in our ranks. Robert, call our best men, immediately. We need him!"
Robert nodded, before heading quick to the door. He didn't want to destroy his boss's dreams of glory…
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Oh wow I want to see the results so bad. 
...on the scary side, Xenu isn't that implausible a character for a comic book universe. (And may in fact be a rip-off of classic Marvel monster Xemnu the Titan.)
...on the scary side, Xenu isn't that implausible a character for a comic book universe. (And may in fact be a rip-off of classic Marvel monster Xemnu the Titan.)
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Thank you, corrected.
Also, does anyone know how to calculate the impact force of an arrow? I've tried to find an intelligible website but they keep talking about 'grains' and stuff.
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You've never known families to keep reusing names? One on side of my family they keep using Daniel, on the other Brian.
I was amused that in Ame-Comi the teen titans are monsters- Creature from the black lagoon Tempest, Demon Vampire Red Raven, Zombie Flash, the aptly named Cyborg, Alien Starfire, theriomorphic Beast Girl.
I also found the idea of a multicolored lantern corps with manhunter support an interesting idea. How would Paul interact with a lantern corps where recruits get the color that works best for them individually?
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7000 grains per pound...
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Doing a tiny bit of research, with 150 grain string, 350 grain arrow, and 70 lbs draw, with a 30 inch draw will shoot your arrow at appx 280 feet per second. That's appx 61 J of KE. with a cross section on a field point of appx 1/32 in^2 you can get a penetration pressure of 3 050 000 kg / mm^2
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I regard grains as being the 'cups' of weight. We have grams, we have ounces. There's no need for it.
I bolded the bits that make sense to me. Thank you.
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That's the smallest of the field point arrowheads available. Some can get as big as 5/16ths. Less penetration power but you do more damage to a human body with a bigger arrowhead. If you use google, you can just enter Whatever energy you decide on / (arrowhead size) to get penetration power.
Grains refers to the weight, convert that to useful units. What I found real quick was 1 gram is about 15.5 grains, and one ounce is about 437, and that 400 grains is a realistic ballpark for a standard arrow (with the tip accounting for 100 or so grains itself).
A little more research shows that the average compound bow fires standard arrows at around 330 feet per second, or about 100m/s.
So, the math... The kinetic energy of a projectile is 1/2 of mass times velocity squared. For a standard arrow, 26 grams and 100m/s gives us kinetic energy of 130 joules.
On impact, all 130 joules are transferred to the target, as Work, which is equal to Force times distance. So, you need one more variable to get your impact force, distance. Does the target move when hit? Does the arrow penetrate? A foam arrow would impact and push the target, a pointy one would (hopefully) penetrate, but either way lets say it takes 2 inches, or about 5cm to transfer all the energy. For easy math, assume the force and motion is all lined up, you end up with 2600N of force.
If you assume his trick arrows are significantly heavier, say 35 grams, and velocity stays the same, kinetic energy goes up to 175 J, and impact force up to 3500N.
I'm about to get to work, but here's links to the two calculators I used...
Kinetic Energy Calculator
Work Force Distance Calculator -- EndMemo
You can play with the numbers, of course. Maybe add a bit to velocity to account for training/equipment quality, could actually calculate the velocity of different arrow weights based on the length and strenth of the draw of the bow (a more or less steady force applied over a known distance to an object of known weight) to estimate how much impact certain trick arrows would have. Be happy to play with numbers more later, when I get off work, or if I get some down time, if you like.
Out of curiosity, @Mr Zoat, if he had to, how would Paul go about recruiting the likes of Louis Martin in his endeavors?
I know having Kord's researchers study the effects of the "Extreme Enhancement Modules" would certainly provide an additional benefit to metahuman studies!
I know having Kord's researchers study the effects of the "Extreme Enhancement Modules" would certainly provide an additional benefit to metahuman studies!
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That's hilarious.
And having had a quick look... Offer him a slightly above minimum wage job?
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Yes, it's a comedic series.
The implications of the EEMs less so though.
One can gain the powers from an EEM by removing them from a person, which is rather messy, since it attaches to the heart.
But then it'll drive the person insane, although that can apparently be circumvented, although someone willing to go Temple of Doom for superpowers is probably not a model of mental health in the first place.
Although the fact that the EEM works on aliens is certainly an interesting avenue of research,
Hopefully no Paul landed in the Earth of Nazi Dinosaurs though.
Yes, it's a comedic series.
The implications of the EEMs less so though.
One can gain the powers from an EEM by removing them from a person, which is rather messy, since it attaches to the heart.
But then it'll drive the person insane, although that can apparently be circumvented, although someone willing to go Temple of Doom for superpowers is probably not a model of mental health in the first place.
Although the fact that the EEM works on aliens is certainly an interesting avenue of research,
Hopefully no Paul landed in the Earth of Nazi Dinosaurs though.
A heart is a fairly simple organ, insomuch as any organs are simple.
I'd bet someone with a power-ring could remove the EEM (and potentially the entire heart) without really harming the patient.
Hell, a reasonably skilled heart-surgeon should be able to do the same thing.
I guess the question is whether the sudden lack of whatever 'roids poor lou is being pumped full of would kill him.
As for the EEM itself, probably best to hurl it into the sun or something. There are easier and less dangerous ways of getting powers.
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Oh, the EEM is safe enough, it's someone trying to go Highlander for a new superpower that causes insanity (and of course, a sudden case of sudden death syndrome for the person who had the EEM). It can't adapt to the new host under that circumstances or something.
In the series there was a bad future in which one of the alien students got a second hand EEM, which drove him insane, so he went all "There can be only one!" to gain extra superpowers, combined with his alien technology, was not a good thing.
Although an EEM might cause physical mutations like becoming a giant lizard monster or "Hey look at me, I'm obviously smart because I have a hat size number higher than room temp," but I presume that's a matter of the programming of the individual EEM.
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Grains are a useful unit for gunpowder, and to a lesser extent bullets. Small enough masses that you'd need to get into awkward fractions of grams, or way too many milligrams. 23gr vs 24gr of H110 is a fairly big difference, whereas that's a difference of a fifteenth of a gram, or sixty-five milligrams. Just awkward units. Arrows, also being ammunition, are just kind of looped into the grain measurements by tradition.
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"Engee berrgee adjuuuuust do floox cooopoocitoor- ohh nooh! noooooh!"
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Missing full stop.
Naturally, you do not understand (also, "don't" would probably flow better for a native American English speaker here)
All that money... such popularity
didn't want to destroy
I've oft wondered how an "Inaction-hero" like Lou would interact with more active individuals like your SI! Not to mention what he'd look like to the "professional" heroes and villains alike!
I don't think either side would be prepared for his abject reluctance to participate in any superheroing whatsoever!
Given said reluctance, simple odd jobs, (simple for even a super-slacker like Lou), seems the best bet.
Like Modeling! Paul's uplift/transhumanism-business needs it's poster boys, after all!
And he is VERY built!
"Don't just be you, when you can be NEW!"
Also, tell him that he can even get paid by doing barely anything... except let scientists study how he uses his powers, what they come from, and find out how to safely reverse-engineer it's beneficial side-effects for the masses, and he'll be oddly motivated!
And given "Major Bummer's" preference for a sedentary life-style, and Nylor Trugg's VERY nasty habit of killing people not making use of whatever super-goodies they have...
"Fortunately", given that Lou's EEM draws trouble, and thus, chaos to him, it only makes sense that Paul could be involved eventually!
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I know the same name can crop up a bunch of times in a family. I was just hoping for a little more creativity . . . But yeah, I'm getting to the part with the Ame-Comi Lanterns. Where the Guardians are these tentacled bug-people instead of midgets with big heads. Though I couldn't help but notice this multi-color Corps lacks Orange and Indigo Lanterns.
And I got the issue with Green Lantern Jade Yifei. Now that I'm seeing more of her . . . Woof . . . I totally get why this new timeline's Paul would have a thing for her. Though it would be awfully convenient if both of these Jade's were okay with sharing Paul.
A shame Ame-Comi Wonder Woman is one of those Wonder Women who are all "Hurr! Durr! Men are super dumb!"
And Ame-Comi Jimmy Olsen is a goddamn chick magnet.
Sinestra was never a Green Lantern. She stumbled upon a Black Ring. Was eventually defeated at great cost. Got stuck in the Anti-Matter Universe. Ended up with a Yellow Ring. Seeking revenge while dual-wielding Black and Yellow Rings.
And for some reason, even though they have access to five of the colors of the emotional spectrum, the Guardians are still acting like Green Lanterns are all they have.
And some people create a White Light Goddess who empowers the heroes as White Lanterns . . . And the conflict ends with the creation of New Genesis and Apokalips . . . But then there's some comic about Big Barda and the Furies as Anti-Darkseid Pirates that only makes sense if Apokalips has been around for awhile and it's just really weird.
Oh, and yeah, the Teen Hellions were pretty cool and amusing. Got a laugh out of this universe's relationship between Trigon and Raven.
And I guess that's it for Ame-Comi . . . So it's time to shut up until Zoat's next update.
And I got the issue with Green Lantern Jade Yifei. Now that I'm seeing more of her . . . Woof . . . I totally get why this new timeline's Paul would have a thing for her. Though it would be awfully convenient if both of these Jade's were okay with sharing Paul.
A shame Ame-Comi Wonder Woman is one of those Wonder Women who are all "Hurr! Durr! Men are super dumb!"
And Ame-Comi Jimmy Olsen is a goddamn chick magnet.
Sinestra was never a Green Lantern. She stumbled upon a Black Ring. Was eventually defeated at great cost. Got stuck in the Anti-Matter Universe. Ended up with a Yellow Ring. Seeking revenge while dual-wielding Black and Yellow Rings.
And for some reason, even though they have access to five of the colors of the emotional spectrum, the Guardians are still acting like Green Lanterns are all they have.
And some people create a White Light Goddess who empowers the heroes as White Lanterns . . . And the conflict ends with the creation of New Genesis and Apokalips . . . But then there's some comic about Big Barda and the Furies as Anti-Darkseid Pirates that only makes sense if Apokalips has been around for awhile and it's just really weird.
Oh, and yeah, the Teen Hellions were pretty cool and amusing. Got a laugh out of this universe's relationship between Trigon and Raven.
And I guess that's it for Ame-Comi . . . So it's time to shut up until Zoat's next update.
Actually, the main danger I was talking about is that it draws other EEM users towards you, and it seems to mutate 90% of the people who use it into freaks.
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Time Trapper: Nice timeline you got there.
It would be a shame if
someone messed it up.
Glorious.
It would be a shame if
someone messed it up.
Glorious.
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Yes, I would have found that bit with Jimmy Olsen a bit more believable if he were like the Supergirl Jimmy, or the Lois and Clark Jimmy, as opposed to the classic "has been known to go undercover as a woman for stories" style Jimmy Olsen.
As for the New Gods, perhaps their relationship with time is a bit skewed, or perhaps they were "born old." Or perhaps Apokalips and New Genesis were made retroactively by the black/white yin yang explosion.
And the Trigon/Red Raven relationship reminds me of Trigon from Teen Titans Go played slightly more seriously.
90%? Lou Martin is considered more attractive after his transformation, Nunzio and Reggie obviously mutated, and everyone else I'm not sure if they mutated or if that's just the series' art style.
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Well, Yoof and Zinnac didn't exactly have much care of any human aesthetics in mind when they sent out those modules.
And what better way to observe their handiwork for their thesis, than by having every EEM imbued human drawn together in one place to study them?
Hence why modeling might be a fitting career for him!
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