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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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stsword said:
She saw them as survivors. People who had been traumatized, and just got right back back up again.

Which was fine until she made a Killer Croc hybrid, who ate her face.
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Mad Science Paul: And that's why I use robots.

Oh El: Aren't your robots based on Magnus tech and have souls?

Mad Science Paul: Okay, that's why I use my generics without souls as grunts. Happy now?
 
Man, I feel like I should actually read... any sort of philosophical text. For how often it comes up here and gets debated, I have zero knowledge of past works.

Kinda makes me think that should be a thing that high school should cover as well, instead of, yknow, the history of Mesopotamia. Also what are taxes and how do they work?
 
Buggy said:
Man, I feel like I should actually read... any sort of philosophical text. For how often it comes up here and gets debated, I have zero knowledge of past works.

Kinda makes me think that should be a thing that high school should cover as well, instead of, yknow, the history of Mesopotamia. Also what are taxes and how do they work?
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As far as I can recall, this is one of the first times it's come up in-story. Philosophy has come up plenty, but not specific texts IIRC. As for in discussion, well, I don't recall it coming up often there either, at least as far back as I've been here (before I first got caught up, I was reading Story Only).
 
Indophenol said:
As far as I can recall, this is one of the first times it's come up in-story. Philosophy has come up plenty, but not specific texts IIRC. As for in discussion, well, I don't recall it coming up often there either, at least as far back as I've been here (before I first got caught up, I was reading Story Only).
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Yeah, I don't think the specific texts have come up, but since I have next-to-no knowledge of prior works, anytime I debate something like that I'm working on knowledge that I came up with from scratch, so its probably filled with oversights and issues that I don't immediately notice because I'm one person, but has been noticed and worked out by one of the thousands of philosophers of the past.
 
doug89 said:
So what exactly has changed? Because I've been reading chapters as they've come out and I'm confused.
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If you remember the part where the time traveler with the ax appeared to fight superman roughly at that point it and everything that followed after was retconed and replaced with the storyline we're following right now.

Edit: So around part 7 of this episode after is where point of divergence begins.
 
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RichardWhereat said:
Just because the man was stupid in some areas, doesn't mean all of his thoughts were stupid and worth ignoring.
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Also, as I've said I have yet to read it so I don't know the context, but maybe it was reasonable in that age and his failing is failing to predict the future. Widespread literacy is a very new thing, so it's possible that there was nothing useful to do with extended education because society as a whole was designed around and expected almost no one to have one.
 
Oh, hey. Someone was talking about Batman vs Aliens.

To be fair to the fuckery of using Arkham inmates as genetic donors for those Xenomorph hybrids . . . That particular case of mad science actually worked out, like, 99% fine. The supersoldier hybrids they made were intelligent and loyal. They weren't even insane or anything, because they never went through what made the originals crazy.

The 1% of the experiment that wasn't so fine was when they tried to make a Killer Croc hybrid. Mostly because, at least in that comic, Killer Croc is just a dumb, murderous brute on a genetic level. So the hybrid made with his dna didn't act any differently from any other Xenomorph.

Didn't stop him from slaughtering the ones intelligent enough that you could have an actual conversation with them, but I guess that no killing rule doesn't apply to people if they were made in a lab.
 
Mr Zoat said:
8th October
17:34 GMT -5

"Plato?" Raquel looks more curious than surprised. "I thought you liked Theory of Justice?"

I slide the next batch of chopped celery into the cauldron-like saucepan. I'd rather gotten out of the habit of cooking for this many people. But given the amount of time I've been spending in the mountain since my return to Earth I can't really complain about getting kitchen duty every so often.

"Sure, as a work of political philosophy. It just occurred to me that the only work of philosophy that covered superheroes was Republic."

That gets a frown. "What you talking about? You were the one saying that Truggs was right about superheroes being a bit crazy but not crazy enough. Doesn't that match what Nietzschie-"

"Nietzsche."

"-said about creating new moralities? That it was confusing, uncomfortable and most people wouldn't do it."

I nod as I start adding the stock. "Yeah. Yeah, fair point. It's just that from what I remember of Nietzsche, he thought that once someone did it-. "

"They'd stick with it 'cause they'd already decided their old moral code was stupid. Whereas what you and Truggs think the League is doing is trying to stay within their old moral code while doing something that.. sometimes can't fit inside it."

"I'm not sure that Nylor and I see it in quite the same way. But broadly…"

She squints slightly. "Anyone ever tell you you've got a nasty mind?"

"Not that specifically, no. But what I took away from Nietzsche was that having a morality you don't believe in is self destructive. So if none of us feel like joining the police force but insist on saying that police are important to law enforcement…"

"That's a contradiction 'cause we don't act like we do. We fight crime, hunt down criminals and none of us really care what the police think about it 'cept when they actually try an' make an issue of us being vigilantes."

"But if we don't actually believe in law and order, what do we believe? Or what should we? I mean, to my mind that's at least as important as hand-to-hand combat training. We're not just going to have to hit things in the field, we're going to have to make decisions with massive legal and political ramifications."

"More you than me."

"Really? Have you ever been to Arnus' homeworld?"

"No. But… Huh."

"Right. If he ever does decide to visit home, he'd probably-."

She shakes her head. "I asked, and he told me he thinks of Earth as home."

"Oh. Okay, well, his former home. You'd be the first Human to visit there. Not.. a government or UN appointed diplomat. You. And they'd probably form policy relating to us based on what you said. Remember how you felt when I said I'd started making more kinetic belts? Not doing that was a decision you made."

"And you think I was wrong."

"I think you were wrong. I don't know you were wrong. And I don't know what metric you were using to make that decision."

"I didn't even think about it." Her eyes unfocus slightly as she sits back in her chair. "If you wanna make the world a better place…"

"Take a look at yourself, and then make a change."

"Which is how you got to Plato. Because of how he said guardians should be educated to be guardians, which is kinda what's happening to us."

"The guardians weren't supposed to own property. Superheroes don't get paid. The difference is that the Guardians' upkeep was paid for by the state, while we're volunteers doing it pro bono publico. I still find it amusing that the most avowedly capitalist nation on Earth idolised Kal-El, a man who has never been paid for the work he does as Superman."

"Do you think he should? Hell, do you think I should get Icon to release more Terminus technology?"

"I don't know. What metric do you think you should use to decide?"

She glances aside. "Whether Icon'll let me or not."

"Heh. Well yeah, that's… Important. Given that he hasn't for.. two hundred years? I think we can guess what he thinks. But if we're talking about cultivating virtues in ourselves-."

I look around as the door opens and Kon wanders in, followed by Roy and Kara. "Didn't Plato say that guardians shouldn't marry and people shouldn't know who their biological parents are?"

"There's a logic to that. If-."

A look of distaste passes over Kara's face. "If they don't know who their family are, they can't show them any preference."

Raquel shakes her head. "No, they'd still identify with other guardians more than anyone else. And I'm pretty sure that anyone with a calendar could make a pretty good guess about which kid was whose."

"Which leads us onto the problem of groupthink, and Mill and Taylor's insistence that free discussion on all topics was essential-."

"When are we eating?"

We all look at Roy. He shrugs.

"Sorry to bring down the tone, but…"

"About two hours." Chicken legs, bay leaf and turn up the heat a little… "You getting hungry already?"

"Just wanna know if I've got time to rebuild my armour's targeting system before dinner."

Kara sags. "I'm really sorry-."

"Hey, it's not a problem."

"What happened?"

"She-." / "I-."

They look at each other and Roy shrugs. She sighs. "Earth technology is… It's so much more primitive than what I had on Krypton. I keep thinking that I should be able to use what I know to improve things. Except it's so much less advanced and.. just.. alien that nothing I know applies to it. And I got frustrated and I.. kind of forgot I had super strength, and…"

Ooh. I look at Roy. "Can you fix it, or do you want me to-?"

"Really, it's not a problem. I like working on my armour." He turns away, smiling as he does so. "I'll be finished before dinner."

Maybe Red Arrow gave me a rather slanted impression, but he's surprisingly easy-going.

Raquel sits back so she can look at Kara without straining her neck. "If you're having trouble with your flying, you could try out the ring course."

"I'm.. not sure that it's a good idea for me to fly inside a mountain. I can fly through mountains."

Kon shakes his head. "It's not a problem. After I bounced off the walls and ceiling a few times we added in kinetic barriers. If you miss your turn now you just stop."

"Okay…" She nods, perking up slightly. "Yeah, that sounds like fun. But… Do the barriers cover the floor as well?"
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Am I missing something intentional about the chapters coming in out of order?
 
Deliste said:
Am I missing something intentional about the chapters coming in out of order?
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@Mr Zoat decided he didn't like how the episode was going and removed Persuader and (probably) the Legion from the episode, and instead had Paul meet Superman (and Kara) for a side-trip to Krypton.
That part was what the last 5 chapters was about.
After this one we continue with the Blaze parts
 
Thank you very much, was confused AF and with some of the chapters we've had in the past breaking 4th wall and time etc...
 
Buggy said:
Man, I feel like I should actually read... any sort of philosophical text. For how often it comes up here and gets debated, I have zero knowledge of past works.
Kinda makes me think that should be a thing that high school should cover as well, instead of, yknow, the history of Mesopotamia. Also what are taxes and how do they work?
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That's an occupational risk on this forum.
When making a decision leads to a ten page long discussion of ethics and different types of ethics.
 
Buggy said:
Kinda makes me think that should be a thing that high school should cover as well, instead of, yknow, the history of Mesopotamia. Also what are taxes and how do they work?
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It always surprises me when I hear people whose high schools didn't cover some of this stuff. We read quite a bit of the major philosophers, and the required economics class covered several practical subjects like how to write a check and balance a checkbook, buying a car, the basics of doing your taxes, how bail works, and so on, alongside supply and demand and all that jazz. This was public school in the US.
 
parnary said:
There are shitloads of supersoldiers all over the place! I'm pretty sure they advertise on craigslist! Why would you need to make your own out of insane criminals?!?!?
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Back in the early days of the Dark Horse comics, they seemed to imply that the Xenomorphs had a subliminal psychic lure that encouraged people to rationalize making stupid decisions that would lead to approaching them in unsafe ways. It would explain a lot.
 
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