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I find it funnt that I consider Grayven is going by dealing with the british deamon cult a lot more carefully than I think Paul would if he eventually noticed they are real.

I mean he already done a global regime change and exterminated a planet. At most he would probably inform the Justice League just before he acts cause he knows that if he went to the League with this they could not act as they should cause of politics of how the world would look at them if the JL actually deposes the british government.

P.S. Does anyone else want a plot line where people come asking for help from OL for a issue they have? I just remember ones he himself stcks his nose in or are general defeat the villain and save the day incidents.
 
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I imagine he will rejoice quite a bit.
Assuming he Ever WAKES THE FUCK UP /gets evidence he can't handwave away thrown/literally slapped into his face- I'm not giving Paul any breaks here, his WILFUL ignorance of the state of the British Government/Royals are inexcusable since he has had MONTHS to do the most basic of research- it would have taken minutes before Alexander started selling scry wards to literally anyone who would pay, and MAYBE a few weeks of work at most at a later point with his established reputation/contacts AFTER to start finding a few HINTS that things are rotten in Denmark.

If I ... sound a little harsh/contemptuous, keep in mind people have been dying/WORSE in droves because he went "oh my no, not back in England, couldn't ever happen!" And actively refused to accuracy-check a rather important chunk of his meta knowledge, and instead mentally failed it under "inaccurate in universe 16". Ya know, including the time he literally had eyes almost everywhere on earth....

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Err, note im running on the assumption that Fate/Bats were... less than successful at cutting out the heart of the rot.
The Tarkin Doctrine was a failure so pathetic, it doomed the Empire, after all- not the most Auspicious of analogies...
 
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Assuming he Ever WAKES THE FUCK UP /gets evidence he can't handwave away thrown/literally slapped into his face- I'm not giving Paul any breaks here, his WILFUL ignorance of the state of the British Government/Royals are inexcusable since he has had MONTHS to do the most basic of research- it would have taken minutes before Alexander started selling scry wards to literally anyone who would pay, and MAYBE a few weeks of work at most at a later point with his established reputation/contacts AFTER to start finding a few HINTS that things are rotten in Denmark.

If I ... sound a little harsh/contemptuous, keep in mind people have been dying/WORSE in droves because he went "oh my no, not back in England, couldn't ever happen!" And actively refused to accuracy-check a rather important chunk of his meta knowledge, and instead mentally failed it under "inaccurate in universe 16". Ya know, including the time he literally had eyes almost everywhere on earth....

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Err, note im running on the assumption that Fate/Bats were... less than successful at cutting out the heart of the rot.
The Tarkin Doctrine was a failure so pathetic, it doomed the Empire, after all...

This isn't about the contents of your post specifically, but this is something I've seen a lot on this thread... you know that white text looks different from normal text, right? It's noticeably brighter. A lot of people switch to white text after using colored text, thinking they've switched back, but in reality they've just made the rest of their post annoyingly different from the pre-colored text stuff. What you've gotta do is type the stuff you want colored and some stuff after if first, then highlight the text you want colored and color it, instead of switching to colored text then switching to white.
 
This isn't about the contents of your post specifically, but this is something I've seen a lot on this thread... you know that white text looks different from normal text, right? It's noticeably brighter. A lot of people switch to white text after using colored text, thinking they've switched back, but in reality they've just made the rest of their post annoyingly different from the pre-colored text stuff. What you've gotta do is type the stuff you want colored and some stuff after if first, then highlight the text you want colored and color it, instead of switching to colored text then switching to white.

On mobile >.< was going for a closest match by eye.
Will do that in future, or try to- the highlighting boxes on the 6+ are a pain- 9/10 times I cant drag the leftmost one back at all >.<
 
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Hey @Mr Zoat just so we have a better comparison between Paragon and Renegade and less arguements and misunderstandings about it, how successful was Batman and Nabu's efforts against the Satanist and otherwise evil members of the British government?
 
Hey @Mr Zoat just so we have a better comparison between Paragon and Renegade and less arguements and misunderstandings about it, how successful was Batman and Nabu's efforts against the Satanist and otherwise evil members of the British government?
Moderately. The Magi went into 'silent running' after the whole Dick Dragon episode blew up in their faces, and after their people in the government informed them that the Justice League were investigating it has become official policy never to do anything like that again. Nabu took a number of arcane artefacts into his care, with their owners claiming not to have realised what they were. Actual arrests were few, and mostly hedonistic fools who couldn't keep it in the sheath for a few weeks. But with Batman informing Knight of his suspicions there is a lot more counter-surveillance going on and the people Grayven is going to be targetting can't just go back to their old games.
 
On mobile >.< was going for a closest match by eye.
Will do that in future, or try to- the highlighting boxes on the 6+ are a pain- 9/10 times I cant drag the leftmost one back at all >.<
This isn't about the contents of your post specifically, but this is something I've seen a lot on this thread... you know that white text looks different from normal text, right? It's noticeably brighter. A lot of people switch to white text after using colored text, thinking they've switched back, but in reality they've just made the rest of their post annoyingly different from the pre-colored text stuff. What you've gotta do is type the stuff you want colored and some stuff after if first, then highlight the text you want colored and color it, instead of switching to colored text then switching to white.
In the color picker, there's a color that's an empty box with an x in it, that's the standard color.
 
Also @Mr Zoat I was rereading S3 and I noticed that here:

Paul told Jane about Alan, did it slip her mind when they went to meet him in this episode?
[Does a quick reread]

He didn't mention the name 'Alan', so it isn't until he brings it up again that she makes the connection.
Also about this:

Did Paul using Instant Transmision cause him to bypass the ring-reminder, and if so why didn't the ring him before he did it?
He stopped being all that bothered about it.
 
Cause Paul doesn't think it's real. He thought it was just another bit of the Writer using hyperbole to demonstrate his distaste for Britain's governmental traditions. Grayven, after realizing Constantine was real and confronting the Beast, was under charges from the British, so, he investigated. This was before Power Ring Blocking became ubiquitous I believe, so he just blackmailed his judge, who'd been one of the go-alongs rather than an inciter. He kept the full information for a rainy day, which has now come to pass.
I'm just picturing Paul's face when he realizes that yes its real...and he could have dealt with it ages ago if he had bothered to investigate it.
You know, considering how DC Britain has some of the oldest and most powerful magical sites and traditions in the world, has a seat on the UNSC, and is a predominantly Christian nation, it actually makes sense that the forces of Hell would consider it a prime target for corruption.
 
Moderately. The Magi went into 'silent running' after the whole Dick Dragon episode blew up in their faces, and after their people in the government informed them that the Justice League were investigating it has become official policy never to do anything like that again. Nabu took a number of arcane artefacts into his care, with their owners claiming not to have realised what they were. Actual arrests were few, and mostly hedonistic fools who couldn't keep it in the sheath for a few weeks. But with Batman informing Knight of his suspicions there is a lot more counter-surveillance going on and the people Grayven is going to be targetting can't just go back to their old games.
Sounds like they did things the way you need to do them if you don't want to set the entire country on fire...
 
Moderately. The Magi went into 'silent running' after the whole Dick Dragon episode blew up in their faces, and after their people in the government informed them that the Justice League were investigating it has become official policy never to do anything like that again. Nabu took a number of arcane artefacts into his care, with their owners claiming not to have realised what they were. Actual arrests were few, and mostly hedonistic fools who couldn't keep it in the sheath for a few weeks. But with Batman informing Knight of his suspicions there is a lot more counter-surveillance going on and the people Grayven is going to be targetting can't just go back to their old games.

another question, demonic magic is supposed to be fairly corruptive right? Adom mentions that he saw good men slip down towards the path of evil with only a bit of exposure, the nut jobs were not exactly archmagi but they did summon demons every so often. How did the entire affair manage to avoid getting fully subverted by hell? or getting corrupted to the point where they couldn't hide it anymore? is demonic magic not actually corruptive unless a demon feels your worth its time? and did hell really pass up the chance to subvert a world power?
 
At least Paragon dealt with Klarion in a way that didn't summon Mordru...

get stopped dead
It'd also be
the patches... that marks
the patches... that mark
Not necessarily wrong, but this wording suggests he lost consciousness, which I don't think he did
in this instance means
in this instance meaning
WHAT?!
into the breach
every member of the League who aren't
every member of the League who isn't
Query:
the water and my barrier isn't
the water and my barrier aren't
titanic magics... that lets them
titanic magics... that let them
kept track of
This time they haven't
Took me half a minute of reading back and forth to recognise that "they" were Water Wraiths.
As Orm gets a grip on the rest of the Demon's head and crushes.
Incomplete sentence.
Brut is male, right?
a dazzling array... shimmer
a dazzling array... shimmers
I think we're looking at nukes
Those couldn't actually work, right? If a beam singularity projector couldn't do it...
holiday from 'no-killing'
holiday from 'no killing'
in the direction of
five miles' distance
Apostrophe probably isn't essential, but the next chapter uses it and they should be consistent.
I can't touch him directly.
How did OL warp him around without a connection?
one at the rear aiming crossbows
Dual-wielding crossbows is an exceedingly unreliable activity, and the riders are described as looking Human. Perhaps "a crossbow"?
an entrance
Now tell me:
a series of purple lines appear
a series of purple lines appears
proximal and radial phalanx
proximal and radial phalanges
holds up his left hand up
Two-up
take the aero-discs turn me
make the aero-discs turn me
comes in to land
I look up
 
another question, demonic magic is supposed to be fairly corruptive right? Adom mentions that he saw good men slip down towards the path of evil with only a bit of exposure, the nut jobs were not exactly archmagi but they did summon demons every so often. How did the entire affair manage to avoid getting fully subverted by hell? or getting corrupted to the point where they couldn't hide it anymore? is demonic magic not actually corruptive unless a demon feels your worth its time? and did hell really pass up the chance to subvert a world power?

I'm guessing Satanus just isn't a big enough fan of tea and biscuits to go to the effort.
 
However I don't think Batman fucked up.
Zoat made a post somewhere clarifying what happened, and he did fuck up. He went in to investigate, the conspiracy found out and sacrificed a few periphery members to slake batmans thirst, and Batman called the job was done, despite never touching the central players.

Because if we know anything from the whole Court of Owls secretly running Gotham settings, or the Gotham is Fucked Forever because it's DC's magical superfund site settings, or his (lack of) progress permanently dealing with the League of Assassins without a SI doing it for him, it is that he is utter shit at actually dealing with anything resembling a magical conspiracy.

Better question: What's Renegade's Constantine going to do when Britain falls into a magical civil war between psychics and Satanists?
Either looting magical paraphernalia from the estates of as many of the now dead or imprisoned members of the conspiracy as he can, or letting people know that the shitstorm isn't his fault for once.
 
Resurrectionists (supplementary, Renegade option)
21st September
21:29 GMT -6


Mr Talbot looks across the scrubland surrounding the home of the Orange Central Power Battery. "Of all the places I thought that my life might take me, an alien world was far from the top of the list."

Ms Black looks around. "I think we've lost Chester."

Ring? Ah. "Let him. The women of the Orange Lantern Corps are perfectly capable of looking after themselves. And we don't really need him for this." In fact… "Why don't you take a few hours off as well? Nothing that happens here will have any impact on your work on Earth, and it can't be much fun living under that sort of pressure all of the time."

She turns back to me and raises her eyebrows. "Are you telling me I need t' get laid?"

I frown. "Noo. There are any number of recreations here, or you could take an air car to Tamarus and go sight-seeing. I'll let you know when we're ready to leave." She nods and starts walking out across the grounds towards the main amphitheatre. "Though if you want to, Tamaranians are very liberal about that sort of-" She holds up her right hand and shows me her index and middle fingers. I smile at the back of her head. "-thing!"

Mr Doom bows his head slightly, a small smile on his lips.

"You're welcome to join her."

"You will not be rid of me quite that easily. I think that my influence as a moderator may be required."

I shrug. That would have been too easy. I turn to Mr Talbot-.

"I hope that you don't intend to make that sort of suggestion to me."

"Wouldn't dream of it." I take a few steps back towards the corridor entrance. "If you'd like to accompany me?"

Mr Talbot looks up at me, mild suspicion evident in his expression. "Why are you pushing this?"

"It's an Apokoliptian thing. Not all of our Elite are the greatest fighters, but even a scientist like DeSaad is perfectly capable of leading an attack if he has to. And anyone who wants warriors to follow them into battle needs to be a good deal better than 'capable'. Plus, installing you as Prime Minister pro tem becomes easier if you're visually associated with the pointy end of the job."

"Is that all?"

I lead the way back into the building. Mister Talbot keeps up with me while Mr Doom hangs back. If he's anything like most street wizards he's trying to get a feel for the local energy channels. And those are far weaker in Vega than on Earth. "Not… Specifically this. But… Linked to why I want to get this started… Another ally of mine has expressed an interest in.. liberating an elderly relative of his who is presently being housed in the.. Dee wing of the Tower of London."

"A wizard?"

"A.. bio-artificer. He made-."

"Fiendstein."

"That's the fellow."

Mr Talbot nods. "I went to see those cells, once. I don't much like them, but I remember what that man did."

"He's in his eighties, mad as a fish and he's stuck being housed in patently inhumane conditions. I want to see him released into his family's care. They'll keep him housed in secure accommodation for whatever time he has left. In America, in the middle of a former nuclear testing area."

"And if I say 'no'?"

"I'd be disappointed, and probably sue the British government once things were settled down."

"Not threatening to pull the plug on the whole enterprise?"

I nod and wave at a couple of Tamaranian Lanterns as they pass us in the corridor. They both bow briefly.

"Don't be absurd. I have a sense of perspective. Reforming the British government is far more important than liberating one man."

"I'll agree to a review of the case, with a view to releasing him on compassionate grounds unless the evidence is exceedingly damning."

Cranius will be pleased. "Thank you."

He nods. "So, what's this weapon your armourer has for me?"

"Weaponer."

"Is there a difference?"

"One's her title, the other isn't."

We reach the doors to Weaponer Lysis' workshop. Given what she's been working on, I thought that keeping it as far away from the Orange Central Power Battery as the site's defences would allow was the correct thing to do. She seemed happy enough, but I nonetheless generate construct armour as the door opens.

"Weaponer Lysis?! Are you decent?!"

She doesn't even bother turning around from her work station. Not that her cybernetic eyes actually require her to look at someone to see them. She's wearing new and slightly Apokoliptian-looking light armour, the tron-lines glowing with the power of her ring. "Would it matter to you?"

"It would interest me, sociologically speaking. Seeing you adapt to Tamaranian social customs, I mean."

She doesn't deign to respond.

"How are you getting along with Clarissi Dox?"

"He is.. competent. And entirely acceptable as a go-between. Ah." Now she does look in our direction. "And this must be our test subject."

"Excuse me?"

Several emblems flash up on her display, and she almost immediately shuts it down. "Ooh. Grayven.. told me that you… Hm. I suppose I might not need the blast shields and restraints…"

"What are you talking about?"

"Weaponer, if you could perhaps lead the way..?"

Weaponer Lysis turns away from her station and heads towards another heavily fortified door as I lead Mr Talbot and Mr Doom around the laboratory. "You see, the most powerful tools in the universe are power rings. Unfortunately, they're rather hard to make. And harder still to use properly. The Guardians have quite rigorous selection criteria for their Green Lantern Corps.. and.. they've found a way to make it impossible for anyone else to make green rings. Orange rings can cause.. rather severe psychological issues for their users. I manage fine but there've been one or two 'incidents' with the Tamaranians... And then there's yellow, but… I rather doubt that you'd want everyone you meet to be terrified of you. But…"

The door to Weaponer Lysis' hazardous testing area opens, revealing a red-glowing personal lantern, with a matching uncharged ring held in a clamp next to it. And Lysis herself on the far side of a heavily armoured and force field protected observation booth.

Mr Doom takes a step back, staring at the ring in alarm. "It is a manifestation of hatred and rage, a tiny fragment of the Bull Which Tramples The Universe. Mister Talbot, I most strongly advise you to have nothing to do with it."

"A power ring." I step aside as Mr Talbot approaches it. "Not something I've trained with. How dangerous is it to the wearer?"

"We're not.. sure. Animal tests resulted in the subjects going into a berserk frenzy, then dying."

"I'm glad that I'm so valuable to you." He cautiously holds out his right hand towards it. "Yes, I… I think I can feel it. Puts me in mind of how I felt when I wrung that lunatic Webster's neck with my bare hands."

"But you don't feel like doing it again?"

He glances back at me. "I've never stopped feeling like doing it again. I've simply learned to channel the impulse better."

"And that is why we think you can handle it. If you can't, my entire Corps stands ready to hold you down and take it off you."

"Hm." He leans forward to study it closely. "Is there anything else I should know before I put it on?"

I shake my head. "The basic functions are either automatic or instinctual. We can have a training session once you've adapted to it."

Mr Doom shakes his head. "Geoffrey…"

"I'm sorry, Cursitor, but the chance to be on the front line is more than I can pass up. How do I go about taking possession of this?"

Lysis presses a button to communicate with us. "The final part of the process requires it to attune itself to your hatreds. Put it on, then hold it up to the lantern and hate."

"My dear Ms Lysis-" Mr Talbot opens his right hand, and the ring leaves its cradle to float onto his right ring finger. "-I do not need prompting to hate."

"Geoffrey Talbot of Earth. You have great hatred in your heart. You belong to the Red Lantern Corps."


For a moment, his eyes flicker red, red mist precipitating out from the ring. Then he lets out a very quiet snort, and his eyes revert to normal. "Then I just..? Hold it out..?"

"It's customary but not essential to speak a devotional oath when you do, but merely focusing on your hate is quite sufficient."

He nods, and holds out his right hand.

"I, Geoffrey Talbot, do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the people of Britain in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law."

When the lance of red energy flares from the lantern and strikes his ring he doesn't even flinch.

"Charge at one hundred percent."

"
Good." He clenches his right hand, red mist swirling from the ring and then dissipating. "Now let's get some practice in."
 
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Hm, it's somewhat appropriate that Grayven's got one of the first Red Lanterns while Paul's got one of the first Blues, thematically speaking. Also, I like Cursitor Doom's name for the Butcher. It makes me wonder if Adara is the Great Bird of the Galaxy, or Proselyte is That Whose Tentacles Embrace All As One or something.
 
"I, Geoffrey Talbot, do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the people of Britain in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law."
This may be my new favourite Lantern Oath. Points for style at least. Not quite sure he got what he was being asked to do, though...
 
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