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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Comic book logic dictates that the various super scientists or those mystical of the mystical persuasion who could fix cases like these probably don't do so because of plot demands it or because of 'reasons'. The only thing keeping Paul from doing something like this so casually is whether or not it's in his interest to do so, or because he doesn't have enough data on a person's biology/physiology, or they happen to be resistant to power rings.

I find it funny Nyssa mentioned cutting someone in half then tossing both halves in separate pits, though as far as examples of usage of the Lazarus Pit going 'wrong' would be Clayface and possibly Jason Todd's rebirth, most of the time people who've used the pit simply suffer a temporary bout of aggressive madness.

It would be funny that midway resurrecting a number of Jade's victims that Jade herself tell him she appreciates his commitment to her but she would rather stick to converting to another religion, with a bit of repent or something similar, and Paul either goes through with it either way to study the results or out of sheer curiosity after all the work he put into it.
 
AerialAtom said:
Should have included a plug to Alan, he can probably heal full time without wanting.
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Nah, Alan's not able to cure people of things they've had a long time, I'm guessing because they've given up hope.

Hm, if only there was some way to convert all this limitless free energy Paul seems to keep stumbling upon and convert it to geomantic energy. (There probably is one.)
 
random_npc said:
you know, it is weird she couldn't solve that herself. There are a decent number of magical creatures that could have done it, and she's an immortal alchemist of some skill.
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For one thing, she is an alchemist; not a specialist in magical creatures. She doesn't necessarily know which ones would have the power, which ones are too dangerous to deal with, or even where to find them. The ones that are relatively easy to get hold of like demons tend to be the entities you least want to get involved with.

There's also the problem that her alchemically induced immortality may not mix well with other magic, and she probably doesn't have a way to tell if it will or not.

OL's non-magical power ring on the other hand can just reach in and fix the problem without affecting whatever magic the Pit has imbued her tissues with.
 
Pizza said:
Nah, Alan's not able to cure people of things they've had a long time, I'm guessing because they've given up hope.
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I dunno, Paul generated Hope in Amazons who wanted to have children, while wearing Orange rings. Pretty sure Alan can manage to fix up Humans with ostensibly normal lifespans (until those are obseleted as well, of course)
 
ThrawnCA said:
two storeys tall
IN MY HOME?!
"Pair" could be treated either as singular or plural, but needs to be consistent. Either "look decidedly" or "emerges from".
impacts suggest
both hands
a local phenomenon
hits me, slicing
gravity shears
coming on to her
two months' time
falls through
Who's inadequate now?!
through glasses
first came through
an aquatic
fingers unlaced
understand that
Philippus'
and bring her back
high up in the air
Tell me:
This sentence seems incomplete.
they'd probably be
a childhood... has me braced
I'll be honest:
deposited next to him
Neither Richard, Canis nor
first things I see are
: green-orange
stick it inside
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Thank you, corrected.
What are you doing?!
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No, it was more 'quiet horror'.
 
Pizza said:
Hm, if only there was some way to convert all this limitless free energy Paul seems to keep stumbling upon and convert it to geomantic energy. (There probably is one.)
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Considering some of the earlier scenes of this story I imagine that the Cornwalls and possibly Constantine would be the people to ask about geomantic energy since they seem to have quite a bit of experience maintaining or breaking such sites respectively.
 
I'm having trouble placing exactly why, but this whole endeavor feels really upsetting to me.
I think it's a combination of Jade not seeming particularly invested in the idea and of Lazarus Pits being (now even more clearly) a limited resource.
It's like if Jade had a teddy bear she liked that burned in a fire, and Paul went ahead and developed reliable, non-paradox-laden time travel to go get it back.
If I was Jade I'd be telling him at this point that I really wanted him to stop, and if he continued it would actually be distressing--he's not really doing it for her sake so much as for an ideal of what he thinks she should want, and investing a disturbing amount of effort into it.

I mean, I dunno, maybe Jade is actually really touched, but this overall feels like a romantic gesture that's creepier about the lengths the gesturer is going towards than the gesture itself.
 
zachol said:
I'm having trouble placing exactly why, but this whole endeavor feels really upsetting to me.
I think it's a combination of Jade not seeming particularly invested in the idea and of Lazarus Pits being (now even more clearly) a limited resource.
It's like if Jade had a teddy bear she liked that burned in a fire, and Paul went ahead and developed reliable, non-paradox-laden time travel to go get it back.
If I was Jade I'd be telling him at this point that I really wanted him to stop, and if he continued it would actually be distressing--he's not really doing it for her sake so much as for an ideal of what he thinks she should want, and investing a disturbing amount of effort into it.

I mean, I dunno, maybe Jade is actually really touched, but this overall feels like a romantic gesture that's creepier about the lengths the gesturer is going towards than the gesture itself.
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All according to kekeku.
 
She is grateful. NOW.

When she realizes that also means 30 years worth of menstruation, cramps, re-learning the joys of periods and hormonal imbalances... well...

I'm sure neither she or Magnificus would be all that grateful unless they want thirty years worth of children.
 
random_npc said:
you know, it is weird she couldn't solve that herself.
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If I had to guess, the reason she hadn't already done it herself are probably a combination of things.

1) After the Nazi death camp thing, where her husband and children died ... probably not in a hurry to have more children right then.

2) Getting vengeance against her dad has been the biggest motivator of her life for years now, not making a new family. In fact, having a family he can use as targets was probably the last thing she wanted.

random_npc said:
she's an immortal alchemist of some skill.
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Before OL cut her off, that seemed to be where she was going with that. She said; "Once we have a greater understanding of how they work I wish-."

She'd never had the motivation to fix the problem before. But now she's met a guy she likes and it thinking about having a family with, then OL comes along and wants to study the Pits anyway, so ... why not? She can use that research opportunity to fix her own problem while she's at it- oh. Wait, nevermind. OL just fixed it.
 
Honestly, this whole quest against death is a worthy cause and all, but it feels like the impetus for it is too weak.
Bringing back the randos that jade killed is...

It feels like it would be a more interesting character-arc to do therapy with her and have her start to get over what she did and what her father did to her, rather than just trying to hit the big cosmic 'undo' button.

Bringing them back to life won't change the fact that she's still a murderer, it'll just let her victims come back to haunt her, potentially literally.

Defeating Death is a good quest on it's own, but Paul's reason for doing it feels kinda stupid.
 
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