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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Mr Zoat said:
Damn. I can see Haron's clouds of hydrogen and helium part, then leap upwards as the liquid below them superheats. It's visible to the naked eye from here and the ring's telling me that plume is thirty miles high. It's like dropping a stone in a pond, but the pond is a frozen planet and the stone is on fire. Shockwaves are moving across the surface, vaporised liquid hydrogen shoving neighbouring liquid aside and now it's catching fire!
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fucking hell helios. he gave his champion a strategic scale weapon. I'm legitimately not sure what to make of that. I mean having something like that in reserve can be handy, but holy shit is that something he's going to need to be careful with.


Mr Zoat said:
"We're supposed to be recon. Something that can do that to a planet isn't really a recon weapon."
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anything can be a recon weapon if you're brave enough.
 
I'm curious about the mechanics. Is Kon conduit to Helios's power, with his eyes serving as sort of portals for Sol's magical power, or did Helios change Kon, so he biologically and from his soul, could generate this magic effect? Because if it's the second, and it might well be, then I suspect this blessing would slowly improve, and this is just a beginning. If nothing else, because half-kryptonean blood is circulating through eyes that are magically beneficial yellow suns, basically. This is bound to have effects.
 
Yog said:
I'm curious about the mechanics. Is Kon conduit to Helios's power, with his eyes serving as sort of portals for Sol's magical power, or did Helios change Kon, so he biologically and from his soul, could generate this magic effect? Because if it's the second, and it might well be, then I suspect this blessing would slowly improve, and this is just a beginning. If nothing else, because half-kryptonean blood is circulating through eyes that are magically beneficial yellow suns, basically. This is bound to have effects.
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my guess is helios used kon's solor nature to forge a conceptual link to the Sun. If that's it then it may be turbocharged because it's a really good link and Kon can tank the backwash. Or helios is an awkward nerd about this and just gave him the biggest blessing he could because he has no idea what to do with a follower like this.
 
It's kind of ironic since early in the fic and canon Kon really wanted to be just like Superman now that he's became something similar he isn't as excited about since he's formed an identity that doesn't revolve around being just like Superman; he's stronger, he can fly, he has heat vision, and save for a few flaws he's more powerful than his canon self with less personal issues.

Imagine how the canon version of the Team were to meet their alternate counterparts both Paragon and Renegade, where for the most part their core personalities are still the same but are majorly different due to their varying experiences, gaining powers/godhood, and how they deal with problems that would leave the canon team way out of their league or would trigger their varying issues.
 
random_npc said:
my guess is helios used kon's solor nature to forge a conceptual link to the Sun. If that's it then it may be turbocharged because it's a really good link and Kon can tank the backwash. Or helios is an awkward nerd about this and just gave him the biggest blessing he could because he has no idea what to do with a follower like this.
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Titan of the Sun. Different scale. I think he blessed Kon, and it's Kon himself that's generating magical sunlight now. With a lot of unintended consequences for his (soul) physiology later. I mean, Helios clearly has no idea how kryptonians work, even on the outside, much less on the cellular / soul level. And Kon is a human/kryptonian/genomorph hybrid abomination of SCIENCE! , a completely unique being. And while genomorphs might have been retconned not to be doomsday derivatives (with all the adaptibility that implies), they still are an OCP factor. So, consequences are likely.
 
tgojeff said:
Lanterns are a thing they know how to deal with (or at least are aware of). A manufactured (clone) capable of one-shotting battleships is something different.
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I'm pretty sure they'd be more worried about the ENTIRE COALITION OF PLANETS AND NEW LANTERN CORP THAT POPPED UP OUT OF NOWHERE ,holy SHiT why is everything on FIRE.

I'm sure it would be a foot note along with the Daxamite, Shadow Lady (if she joins the navy), or 30+ Lanterns coming to kill them.

"What do you mean they have a sentient space station Lantern? They can't do that. It be like having a Planet as a Lantern. Totally impossible. What? No I am not in denial."

Or that weird glowing Orange dude tha- HOLY BEETLE WHAT IS THAT GIANT SNAKE DOING IS SPAC-AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. *Nom*

Along with the Fleet of the Stellar Navy (Orange Lantern Corp Navy or completely separate?)
 
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The Orange Lantern Corps Astry? Perhaps?

I wonder if anyone is writing new Greek Myths, about the shit that the Champion of Helios is getting up to.
 
random_npc said:
my guess is helios used kon's solor nature to forge a conceptual link to the Sun.
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That makes sense to me. I mean, that's an awful lot of power for Helios to just give to somebody if Helios has to provide it himself, and seems disproportionate to what we've seen from existing characters; even Oceanus, another Titan as pointed out in the update.

However, if Helios is taking advantage of being a solar-aligned deity blessing a solar-aligned mortal to forge a link like that, then neither he nor Kon actually needs to be personally using a huge amount of power. The Sun itself is providing the bulk of the power in that case; and in comparison to the actual full power of the Sun, what Kon has demonstrated is pretty small scale.
 
Yog said:
Yeah, I brought it up. Rao is likely to be very interested, and might offer Kon his own blessing too, if only to maintain parity with / one up Helios.

Also, I am fairly sure that "affects a gas giant on the global scale" is far above the firepower Kal El 16 can produce.
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Presuming of course that Rao the god is around, and not, say, on Earth, like a Superman storyline suggested.

As for Superman's power level, that actually might not be static. Some iterations of Kryptonians get more powerful the longer they are exposed to yellow sun light.

Although Zoat doesn't seem to be using that, since Superboy never got a solar infuser to speed up his evolution.

In DC 1 million, for example, Superman offers Superman exaltation. Part of the reason Kal Kent can jump from planet to planet, hear things on different planets, and has force vision that can make constructs.

Which leads me to the image of Conner trolling Paul with boxing glove vision. ☺
 
His stance is completely understandable though. New52 was just horrible. They kept the Batfamily where it was, and deaged everyone else to the point where it made zero sense. Most of batmans stories to how he got to his current point rely heavily on the rest of the DC universe. Nightwing would never have taken that name without Superman meeting him with a burger and a story about kryptonian folk heroes.
 
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Avernus said:
That makes sense to me. I mean, that's an awful lot of power for Helios to just give to somebody if Helios has to provide it himself, and seems disproportionate to what we've seen from existing characters; even Oceanus, another Titan as pointed out in the update.

However, if Helios is taking advantage of being a solar-aligned deity blessing a solar-aligned mortal to forge a link like that, then neither he nor Kon actually needs to be personally using a huge amount of power. The Sun itself is providing the bulk of the power in that case; and in comparison to the actual full power of the Sun, what Kon has demonstrated is pretty small scale.
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Or it could be a case of unintended consequences. Helios ignited a spark in Kon's soul and changed his eyes. However, he didn't account for kryptonean biology and soul structure which are strengthened by yellow suns. Said biology and soul then supercharged Kon's granted ability.
LazySloth13 said:
Imagine how the canon version of the Team were to meet their alternate counterparts both Paragon and Renegade, where for the most part their core personalities are still the same but are majorly different due to their varying experiences, gaining powers/godhood, and how they deal with problems that would leave the canon team way out of their league or would trigger their varying issues.
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Rather than canon (though that would be interesting too), I would like to see the team from a little before story starts meeting and reacting to the current team and how they have grown and changed. Let's see:
Kaldur - the least changed member of the team. In fact, aside from getting better equipment (Ocean Master's garb, spell eater, the water shield and whatever revolutionary version of Atlantean military technology Sephtian has come up with in the meantime, because he likely did, as his arcanotechnology should have revolutionized everything), he hasn't changed at all. He might have gotten some additional training in strategy in politics, but we haven't seen that. He didn't seem to get any additional tattoos (an easy way for empowerment for him), or soul-carved runes (something that Atlantean military should have been all over and willing to pay Constantine a lot to learn how to do), or any exotic enhancement. His equipment would raise questions, but other than that, he's pretty much the same as canon / early timeline version of him.
M'Gann - she's got additional training, a lot of it, and some equipment (psionic amplifiers). Otherwise, as canon / start of the timeline.
Robin - has some changed looks on need for human enhancements, and is a Danner enhancile. Otherwise remains the same, even in the equipment.
Wally - has, ironically enough, become a sorcerer (well, alchemist plus speed force manipulator). Could have long and fruitful talks with his younger counterpart.
Donna (I know, not really a part of the team, but still) - discovered her ancestry, got a lasso out of the Amazonian war vaults, otherwise is unchanged.
Artemis - became a Danner enhancile, reconciled with her sister, is dating Wally. Yeah, that meeting could be fun indeed.

And now two people most changed from canon.
Zatanna - from a young naive apprentice magician to a jaded (by Nabu's affair) power armored sorceress wielding the cosmic power of Love and using it to produce coherent beams of destruction.
Kon - from a "clone" of Superman to a titan empowered son of Diana of Themyscira, heir to the throne, and his own man.
 
RichardWhereat said:
His stance is completely understandable though. New52 was just horrible. They kept the Batfamily where it was, and deaged everyone else to the point where it made zero sense. Most of batmans stories to how he got to his current point rely heavily on the rest of the DC universe. Nightwing would never have taken that name without Superman meeting him with a burger and a story about kryptonian folk heroes.
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the stance of ignoring everything from it, even if it is potentially positive to the story, feels petty as hell.

this is from someone who was pissed by what it did to Cassandra Cain and billy batson: their is still good in the new 52
 
Where did Kon get his strength boost from again? Also, does anyone remember in which chapter Paul first suggested that Kon should worship Helios?
 
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