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That means Oh El wants to empower someone else.

I wonder who that person is?

Raven, Blue Devil, Etrigan, Creeper, Leah Tim Hunter's succubus galpal, if Zoat is using the infernal origin for vampirism than this could be a cure for Looker, Andrew Bennett, Nocturna, Stake, or La Sangra.

This could be research for a contingency plan if he runs into someone who needs this type of help.
 
Am looking forward to the epic Lord of Balance gigglefit when John sees the result of Paul's latest mad scheme.

"An' 'ere I thought I was clever lockin' the undamnable things up. An' you, mate, mad kook you are, went'n damned 'em."
 
Will Gabriel's wings actually make anyone good? I mean, if this is anywhere close to Hellblazer/Lucifer continuity, Gabriel was the worst person in the Silver City by several orders of magnitude. On the other hand, now that he's been gone for a few years, I can see the Heavenly Hosts making only the most obviously token attempts to punish OL for this.
Now I have an image of an angel coming down from heaven, whacking OL with a newspaper, and saying "no. bad lantern. don't do that." and then flying away.
 
Ah. Sounds like I forgot something else. When did that happen again?
Wasn't it after the Light, and Truggs specifically, busted into the mountain and stole everything? After OL fought the demon ball with the Hawks? I can't remember exactly. Titanfall?

Nabu and OL had a little pissing contest, which ended when Kalder (quite angry at OL for the Aquaman son thing) ordered OL to comply.
 
Ah. Sounds like I forgot something else. When did that happen again?
Wallace and Artemis walk out of the trophy room, Wallace wincing slightly as he's forced to look at my alterations once more. "Yeah, you should see what he's done with the rest of the place."

Zatanan frowns. "But the zeta tube already does an identity check."

"It's far too easy to fool, and doesn't detect a whole host of things. Mind control, intoxication, certain parasites. Like Star Conquerors. Plus, my system isn't on the same system as the zeta tube's approved list. Subverting one doesn't help you get past the other."
Here, and then a little later Nabu gets stopped by it and subsequently wrecks it. I kind of assumed it was put back in place.

Also, I'd really hope the SI didn't allow it to be remote accessed by power ring, because that would kind of defeat the point.
 
Or it could be explained that since Paul installed it in the first place he knows how it operates and can hack it himself, when the Team decided to locate Red Tornado Paul mentions how he didn't think that he would need to hack into his own defenses, and its mentioned again when the team was fleeing the cave after the League was mind controlled with Starro-tech that he needed to destroy several key points in the defense in order to escape faster.

The Team and most of the League tends to rest on their laurels when it comes to technology or magic, if Paul isn't their to motivate them himself then I could see them forgetting to set the system to keep him out, so while the heroes have changed the front door lock Paul still has a key to the back door.

Plus unless it's pure magic then Paul has a power ring which lets him cheat, tattoos that make him practically invisible, or maybe knows someone that can help him out either directly or indirectly.
 
"Recognised, Orange Lantern, B zero six."

I step out into the training room-

"Identification confirmed."

-the force field parting for me. The lights are dimmed for the night cycle, but I can still see Zatanna blinking back into wakefulness from a holographic chair in the sparring ring. "Oh, y-. You're back. What.. time is it?"
This happened after Nabu destroyed the security arch thing, so it looks like the SI did repair it.
 
So what you're saying is that Orange Lantern 2814 is John Constantine'ing John Constantine?
Didn't Constantine even acknowledge it in the story itself after becoming the lord of Chaos and Order?

Spreaking of, from the description, that wasn't exactly a blessing. It maybe has a potential to become one, but for now it's a life-threatening condition.
 
Does Beast Boy exist in either Paragon or Renegade's earth?

As a superhero? No.

Garfield Logan does. He goes to school in Happy Harbour thanks to zeta tubes (In Paragon). No animal transformation powers either.

His mom marries a gynoid though (Paragon). She isn't killed by Queen Bee in either timeline due to the existence of the SI and Renegade.

Edit: Edited to specify timeline
 
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Did not know Jeb swung that way.
Considering that the Succubus/Incubus was developed as a mythology to explain nocturnal emission and the children of women who hadn't been out of their fathers home unescorted...the women normally being victims of abuse and/or incest (which has the interesting result of calling the other parent a demon anyway). Add in sleep paralysis and old hag syndrome to get something crazy.

Add that the entire thing is mind control and rape in with both the Incubus and Succubus as the aggressors there...

A lot of demonic lore is fucked up, even more so if you go back to the mythology rather than modern cultural takes on them which often have the fairy tale effect in full force.
 
Paul keeps the Spear of Destiny and take it to be used in some sort of ritual that would permanently consume it, Paul would be very upset.

If Constantine was able to consume the Spear, and it didn't fuck up the worlds magic or humans capability for free choice, he would be ecstatic. The Spear of Mass Enslavement is something he would actually like gone, but could not safely do so.

IIRC, DC Hell is governed by the Unspoken Principle, that you are free to leave whenever you choose.
That is a bit bullshit. Knowing you can leave when you choose apparently doesn't give you the specific knowledge of how one goes about leaving. It's like saying you can leave by twitching your ears just so. Something humans can do. Yet, when I try to make my ears twitch, no happens. Wanting my ear to twitch, nothing. Thinking "twitch ear, please twitch" makes nothing happen. The muscles that can twitch my ear exist, But I have no experience in sending out the correct signals to make those muscles respond.

Like how that angel told the guy he could leave any time. He wanted to leave, but was still there, being tortured.
 
Could be worse: could cause your arsehole to explode.
Looking at the quote chain here, you are saying that John cast the First from his presence and caused Hell to form around him.

The guy was asking who the very first person the First said it to was (the thing possibly responsible for Hell) The Source, something often confused with the Source be a different entity, etc. The Source probably remembers everything whether spoken to him or not.

Putting them ALL in one box because of how the cynics who wrote Hellblazer and Lucifer portrayed them, and focusing on the negative aspects of what religion says about them, just seems a little narrow-minded to me.
If the party line is effectively assholes, and they were brought up in the asshole lifestyle, you can call them assholes. I learned that from Supernatural. Castiel, really nice angel. But in general, all the angels in heaven, some level of condescending asshole. Nothing is making them inherently assholes, it's just how things are in Heaven, with a lot asshole attitudes towards humans. being assholes is what they know. They have lead an existence where those asshole beliefs were the normal way of thinking and acting. Expecting an angel you meet at random to be an asshole is just the safer bet. Be prepared for the assholery.

I did not know that word. Though technically, if the SI was right about her mother possessing someone, she'd simply be the offspring of two Humans with a novel soul structure.
Has she not died in all those thousands of years? Why is she worried about death at all? How would it actually make a practical difference? Instead of being reliant on souls to not die, why not clone some spare meat suits of yourself to possess?

Either way, I'd say you are your soul. And If demons are humans who took hell into themselves while in hell, she would be a human soul who became a demon in the womb even as her soul was being formed.
 
Like how that angel told the guy he could leave any time. He wanted to leave, but was still there, being tortured.

I'm not quite sure which time you're talking about.

For Vertigo stuff, Remiel wasn't telling someone he could leave. He was saying, roughly, that they weren't punishing him but redeeming him. Then he flew off and the guy said that just makes it worse.

Before that, when Lucifer is shutting up Hell and bitching about the whole thing to Dream(which he does throughout the whole process, mind you), he says;

"Can you imagine what it was like? Ten billion years spent providing a place for dead mortals to torture themselves. And like all masochists they called the shots - 'Burn me', 'freeze me', 'eat me', 'hurt me'.....and we did."

"And the mortals! I ask you - why? Tell me that, why? Why do they blame me for all their little failings. They use my name as if I spend my entire day sitting on their shoulders forcing them to commit acts they would otherwise find repulsive. 'The devil made me do it.' I have never made one of them do anything Never. They live their own tiny lives. I do not live their lives for them. And then they die and come here(having transgressed against what they believed to be right) and expect us to fulfill their desire for pain and retribution. I don't make them come here."


Now, as for Hell in general, you can say it has some basic unspoken principal or laws or whatever. But it doesn't. Not because of anything Lucifer or the Demons or the Angels or the Source/God/Presence/Whatever we're calling Him have done or not done.

The real reason it doesn't have any of those things is because comic book writers don't communicate with each other. They don't check with some massive story bible of what is or isn't true in DC. They don't read through other comics to work out the time line or anything of that nature. They come up with a story that they think is good or that will sell and then they write it.

That's why in Vertigo, with the Endless and with Lucifer, Hell is a place where the dead go to punish themselves. Where the gates are always open(because that's part of the point) and how no one can own a soul. Meanwhile a little while ago, Neron was the lord of hell and among other things, ran a scheme where he tried to steal a bunch of souls from various superheroes and villains and then gets fucked over by the Shade making a completely unselfish contract. Then a ways a way, you have John Constantine setting the First, Second, and Third of the Fallen against one another to cure his cancer by selling his soul to all of them.

Etc etc.
 
Looking at the quote chain here, you are saying that John cast the First from his presence and caused Hell to form around him.

The guy was asking who the very first person the First said it to was (the thing possibly responsible for Hell) The Source, something often confused with the Source be a different entity, etc. The Source probably remembers everything whether spoken to him or not.
No, he's saying the First told John that Hell formed around him after it (the Presence) told him to get out oif it's sight.
 
You get your pleasant and unpleasant bunch no matter what species you belong to. Putting them ALL in one box because of how the cynics who wrote Hellblazer and Lucifer portrayed them, and focusing on the negative aspects of what religion says about them, just seems a little narrow-minded to me.
#BorgLivesMatter #DalekLivesMatter #TyranidLivesMatter #AffrontLivesMatter
 
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