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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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lefthandturnsign said:
I believe the 'scientist' equivalent would be 'magician', but that term has connotations of a guy who uses sleight of hand on stage rather than someone who uses the real stuff.
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"Magician" certainly sounds appropriate as a technical/professional term!

Having read Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell by Susanna Clarke and The Magicians Trilogy by Lev Grossman, and seeing their respective TV adaptations, that particular word certainly meets my standards!
Mr Zoat said:
John's not going to be back for a while. Fortunately, his non-union colonial equivalent is.
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Evil M. Lurker said:
Ambrose Bierce?
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Yay!
 
Monshroud said:
"Magician" certainly sounds appropriate as a technical/professional term!
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Not exactly. In universe, a 'thaumaturgist' must have a knowledge of the theory, but doesn't need to be much good at application. A magician on the other hand would often have only vague theoretical knowledge but a wealth of practical experience. John is a magician. Sephtian is a thaumaturgist.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Not exactly. In universe, a 'thaumaturgist' must have a knowledge of the theory, but doesn't need to be much good at application. A magician on the other hand would often have only vague theoretical knowledge but a wealth of practical experience. John is a magician. Sephtian is a thaumaturgist.
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John is probably a bad example, and has demonstrated the abilty to time and time again, work complexly within the rules of magic, and no one can really claim that pre-ascension John was brute forcing anything. He is a bit of both, but his disposition is certainly more magician than thaumaturgist.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Not exactly. In universe, a 'thaumaturgist' must have a knowledge of the theory, but doesn't need to be much good at application. A magician on the other hand would often have only vague theoretical knowledge but a wealth of practical experience. John is a magician. Sephtian is a thaumaturgist.
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And what do you call someone who maintains a healthy balance between their theoretical and practical experience? Which I would think would be most people.

Well, I guess you said a thaumaturgist doesn't need to be good at application... but that doesn't mean they can't be good.
 
Jirachi47 said:
It would have to be quite a strange universe to feature a non-british John. But seriously, that could be a number of different people.
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As mentioned earlier, it's likely Ambrose Bierce, who was even created for DC comics when an author couldn't get permission to use Constantine and just invented Diet Constantine instead. He's already been namedropped as existing in-story:
Mr Zoat said:
We reappear in Missus Gordon-Hewitt's parlour. She looks curious rather than alarmed, but Catwoman shifts to a slightly more upright position.

"Ambrose?"
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Mr Zoat said:
John turns his head to look at her. "Ambrose Bierce? Should bloody hope not. He's a good four inches shorter 'an me, comes from Indiana an' I know one end of a flaming hairbrush from the other."

"I think he's wearing platforms now."

John grins and reaches into his coat for his cigarettes. "Ambrose? Wearin' four inch platforms? Sounds like it'd almost be worth huntin' the little sod down jus' t'see it."

"Please don't. The world does not need two John Constantines in the same place."

Catwoman nods in understanding. "Oh, you're John Constantine. I wondered why people kept calling him that."

John lights his cigarette. "S'small world." He inhales, turns and kneels down, breathing smoke out over the gun where it lies on the floor. He then stays there, gazing into the smoke. The smoke itself isn't magical -I saw him buy the Silk Cuts from a newsagent myself- but he can use it as a self hypnosis aid while he tries to get a feel for the magics in the gun. Appearance is easy enough to fake with magic and we can't really remove magic from the target without the risk of ruining it. "What were you doin' when you met ole Ambrose, anyway?"

"Trying to get some books appraised. There's more fake magic in Gotham than real magic, but after what happened last time…"

John nods. "Looks like a tramp, but 'e usually knows 'is stuff."
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Mr Zoat said:
Oh, it's more than that. He couldn't get permission for John or Kipling.
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Aside from Willoughby Kipling making an appearance, I'm quite hopeful that Ambrose will show up, just so everyone else can mistake him for being John Constantine the first time they meet him!

As for Kipling... well, if Mr. Bierce's reaction to being called Constantine is any indication, I'd hate to see what the dark haired, dirtier, angrier, and more drunk version of John would do...

KIPLING: I WAS WEARING A TRENCH COAT LONG BEFORE THAT LITTLE @#$& WAS EVEN BORN!

PAUL: Yes, well, he's kind of an archmage now...soooo badmouthing someone who might be able hear someone a world away if they even mention him, might not be the best of ideas-

KIPLING: Oh, so you're saying I should shout even louder? Who am I to disparage the expert? JOHN CONSTANTINE, YOU @#$&-ING ARSEHOLE!
 
Briefvoice said:
And what do you call someone who maintains a healthy balance between their theoretical and practical experience? Which I would think would be most people.

Well, I guess you said a thaumaturgist doesn't need to be good at application... but that doesn't mean they can't be good.
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Whatever they want. A guy who runs his spells on his home computer, powered by his wall sockets probably wants to be called something different from a guy who was taught magic during Vietnam while high on LSD, ditto the cursed immortal who literally learned magic from magic mushrooms.
 
Monshroud said:
Aside from Willoughby Kipling making an appearance, I'm quite hopeful that Ambrose will show up, just so everyone else can mistake him for being John Constantine the first time they meet him!

As for Kipling... well, if Mr. Bierce's reaction to being called Constantine is any indication, I'd hate to see what the dark haired, dirtier, angrier, and more drunk version of John would do...

KIPLING: I WAS WEARING A TRENCH COAT LONG BEFORE THAT LITTLE @#$& WAS EVEN BORN!

PAUL: Yes, well, he's kind of an archmage now...soooo badmouthing someone who might be able hear someone a world away if they even mention him, might not be the best of ideas-

KIPLING: Oh, so you're saying I should shout even louder? Who am I to disparage the expert? JOHN CONSTANTINE, YOU @#$&-ING ARSEHOLE!
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CONSTANTINE, FROM A GREAT DISTANCE: #&$@ YOU TOO!
 
I wonder if Princess Koriand'r will be joining Alan in Kalmins Blue Lantern Corps. Or if any of the unaffiliated Maltusians would want to take up the role of immortal leaders attuned to Hope.
 
RichardWhereat said:
Blue suits her better
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Debatable, especially since much of what we know of her personality is based on events that have been averted. I think she could be good in blue; I don't think it's necessarily better for her than the orange ring she's spent time learning to use already.

RichardWhereat said:
people do transfer between corps.
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I mean, most of those transfers that I'm aware of was because someone was being a dick; Guy went Red because Atrocitus was a dick, Sinestro switched from green to yellow because he was a dick and then from yellow to green because the Guardians were dicks, and so on. (Not counting Kyle getting multiple rings because that's not actually a transfer.) As long as nobody's being a dick to Koriand'r, why would she change to blue? She's in a pretty good place right now already, having been rescued, made into a Lantern, and having played a major hand in restoring her people to freedom. She has everything that she wants; why does she need to hope?
 
Crimson Doom said:
She has everything that she wants; why does she need to hope?
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Because to hope is the another part of "The Glow", the Emotional Spectrum, that one should seek on the path of Complete Enlightenment.

Attaining full wholeness with oneself, and the entire spectrum, should the thing all sentients should aspire towards, much like The Great Work, the "Magnum Opus" that sought by all true magicians of the Hermetic practice.
 
Abra Kadabra probably doesn't have the oomph, and is probably still in prison. What's Enchantress like in Earth 16? Rebecca Carstairs.
The Shade, obviously... Also, a common parallel with Renegade, those seem to be a thing.
Doctor Occult isn't a bad idea. However, why not go for the best?
Tim Hunter. If he's out of school.
 
Monshroud said:
Because to hope is the another part of "The Glow", the Emotional Spectrum, that one should seek on the path of Complete Enlightenment.

Attaining full wholeness with oneself, and the entire spectrum, should the thing all sentients should aspire towards, much like The Great Work, the "Magnum Opus" that sought by all true magicians of the Hermetic practice.
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Why would Koriand'r care about that? In any way?

Also I don't think that exists.

I can follow the Pokemon logical of Gotta Catch Them All in terms of getting all the Ring and and attaining all the different Enlightenment if we were going for a completionist play through of WTR with the hidden ending of become a Life Elemental/New Life Entity. Though I'm fairly certain we missed that boat already and are firmly on the Orange Lantern Corp: Orangest Day path.
 
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