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I forget, was the deterioration in relationship one of the 'in the future' things Zoat mentioned in a past thread?
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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I forget, was the deterioration in relationship one of the 'in the future' things Zoat mentioned in a past thread?
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Ehh, everyone has off days, or you know decides to genocide an entire species because they believe they can't change from warlike monsters.
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She is half Demon.
There is that Native American guy who was in the JLA comics for a while but that requires time travel to get him.
Zatanna is still a brat, her father is mentality recovering.
Jason Blood even if they could get him as just as consultant, has Etrigan bound to him.
Granted Etrigan is quite a gentleman as far as demons go and Merlin was quite good bounding him.
Technically Shazam is around in spirit form to be consulted by Captain Marvel.
But he may still be pretending to be fully dead at this point.
Amethyst is basically sorceress Lion-O only based on Gems and from a Might and magic world so getting her to think in more modern terms would drive Paul crazy.
Ali-Ka-Zoom could work if his cursed is cured.
And Johnny Thunder's Thunderbolt should be something to look at, if only to keep it away from villains.
Emerald Oracle
Chaos, yet harmony. Death, yet the Force
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Of Pinklestia's suggestions, I think the two that have the most promise are Amethyst and JJ Thunder.
The former is a Lord of Order if I remember right, and while she's a Lion-O equivalent in some ways, it would be more apt to consider her a Billy Batson equivalent. She's the heir to the House of Amethyst on Gemworld, where the Homo Magi fled ages ago, but she was raised on Earth. On Earth, she's notably younger than she is on Gemworld because of the time differential between realms. The main problem with her is that she is, by necessity, something of a part timer given her commitments on Gemworld.
JJ Thunder, meanwhile, is the inheritor of the Thunderbolt. Theoretically, that means he was born the Seventh Son of a Seventh Son on the Hour, Minute, and Moment of Seven. He's theoretically mystically quite potent aside the Thunderbolt as a result. This got ignored a bit in some of his later appearances, but it's still how Johnny at least got his powers. The issue with the young Mister Thunder is that while he's theoretically very powerful, he's not got much in the way of wisdom or knowledge, which is what the League really needs.
In terms of someone with Magical Power and Magical Knowledge, we might look into Doctor Occult/Rose Psychic, Sargon the Sorcerer, or Ibis the Invincible. Depending on the time and general situation of the setting, any of them might have the mojo and the know how to hack it with the League. Technically speaking, Accomplished Perfect Physician should also count given the whole 'Multiple past lives of mystic knowledge' thing he's got going on, but he's more focused on healing, so I can see where he wouldn't actually fix the problem.
The former is a Lord of Order if I remember right, and while she's a Lion-O equivalent in some ways, it would be more apt to consider her a Billy Batson equivalent. She's the heir to the House of Amethyst on Gemworld, where the Homo Magi fled ages ago, but she was raised on Earth. On Earth, she's notably younger than she is on Gemworld because of the time differential between realms. The main problem with her is that she is, by necessity, something of a part timer given her commitments on Gemworld.
JJ Thunder, meanwhile, is the inheritor of the Thunderbolt. Theoretically, that means he was born the Seventh Son of a Seventh Son on the Hour, Minute, and Moment of Seven. He's theoretically mystically quite potent aside the Thunderbolt as a result. This got ignored a bit in some of his later appearances, but it's still how Johnny at least got his powers. The issue with the young Mister Thunder is that while he's theoretically very powerful, he's not got much in the way of wisdom or knowledge, which is what the League really needs.
In terms of someone with Magical Power and Magical Knowledge, we might look into Doctor Occult/Rose Psychic, Sargon the Sorcerer, or Ibis the Invincible. Depending on the time and general situation of the setting, any of them might have the mojo and the know how to hack it with the League. Technically speaking, Accomplished Perfect Physician should also count given the whole 'Multiple past lives of mystic knowledge' thing he's got going on, but he's more focused on healing, so I can see where he wouldn't actually fix the problem.
Jcc10
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I really hope Mr Zoat recons the YJ universe into including this:
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- Wishing I was somewhere much colder, I asssume.
I notice that Batman hasn't actually confirmed that he was planning to move against Nabu for possessing Zatara. He just confirmed that he was developing plans to take Nabu out in the same way he has plans to take out Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Icon, OL himself, etc.
Was he actually planning to move against Nabu, or was it just a case of what Batman would do even if Zatara was willingly wearing Nabu's helmet?
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"-aaand you're already gotten started on doing exactly that; good for you."
'So that's what it feels like to get batmanned'
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- Australia
Mr Zoat has said in previous threads that Raven isn't going to show up in the story on the Paragon timeline, but is due to show up nearer to the latter half of the Renegade one. Like, with a year to go I think.
Scholar of Time
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It might be useful to consider - Batman's view of Giovanni's sacrifice, in context of the death of his parents. To have your father ripped away, but know that he is alive and just beyond reach....
Batman's resolution to that would not be murder...but such that murder would be infinitely preferable to the 'resolved' party.
Prince Charon
Just zis guy, you know?
No, completely unrelated, especially as that was Paul, and we're talking about Grayven.
Hey, I didn't say it was rare here, just not as common as on Earth-16.
As I recall it's only planned for her to show up in the epilogue in a cameo.
I could see OL beating Sinestro and trying to give it to Batman. I suspect Batman would refuse it though.
He was IIRC.
Z000
If this is trash, then find me in the dumpster
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that was months ago
Batman make it happen after the whole fear shenanigan
Raven is probably too young, and is part-demon. Black Alice is definitely too young. So is Zachary Zatara and Tracy Thirteen.
Zauriel might be available, but leans towards the Brute more than the mage.
Sebastian Faust may be available. Tim Hunter is probably way too powerful. So is the Spectre.
Blue Devil has the demon problem. Manitou Dawn or Manitou Raven should both be about somewhere.
So.
Sargon The Sorcerer.
Iblis the Invincible
Sebastian Faust
Manitou Dawn/Raven
Shade the Changing Man
Princess Amethyst
Zauriel
That's about all I can think of at this time.
So it's probably Amethyst.
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What about the Shade?
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No love for Madame Xanadu?
Magically block the effects of his tattoos; magically overload him until he goes wibble; pump him full of suggestibility drugs; convince him to take the ring(s) off; toss him through a portal to any dimension where there is no Emotional Light Spectrum. To actually kill him, do the same but strap a bomb with a thirty-second timer to him, add paralytics and a swathe of poisons to the drug cocktail, and shoot him in the head.
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He could also, you know, just, ward against multi-dimensional travel. :lol
Jcc10
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Yeah but the batcave's wards were made using Cadradius based runes. Cadradius is great for non-magicians when you need a long-term rune to be set up NOW but it has limits.
The main two are the inability of hot-swapping functionality and the fact that when it was designed, no one used multi-dimensional travel.
The closest comparable structure would be Demascuras based runes. However in order to switch the wards would have to be taken down completely then the relevant squiggly lines modified, then brought back up... That would be at least a few days worth of time.
EDIT: Of course if he was taking down the runes anyway he might as well switch to Haladian based sigils, they are more finicky but you can hot-swap parts of them without compromising the entire system. Also it's what a actual professional would use.
EDIT 2: It's just that Haladian based sigils are completely different to Cadradius based runes. He would have to start from scratch.
EDIT 3: I am just pulling all this out of my @ss, although if @Mr Zoat want's to make it cannon...
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Too low profile.
If she had no interest in the Dr Fate helmet when Kent Nelson was shopping it around, she's probably uninterested in becoming a target by joining the JL.
Besides, she may be a fair investigator, but she lacks the mystical grunt or sheer audacity to go up against JL-scale threats.
And her rolodex isn't very deep either.
It's like talking to the London crew that he and Constantine were speaking to; they're happy to do research, but getting shot at is not their style.
He hasn't looked for Tracy Thirteen, not knowing her real name.
The Changing Man is a Lord of Chaos and as said Amethyst may be a Lord of Order; as such they'd be unable to show up in Earth 16 without a vacancy. Or, presumably if OL convinced both of them to come at the same time.
Mr Zoat did say earlier that the Changing Man isn't on Earth 16, but is "accessible" from there; good enough for a consultation, not enough to recruit. Also he apparently only talks to insane people, which would make him a bit problematic as a JL recruit. Although I recall OL's comments about Batman and "productive insanity"...
"OK, remember; nobody explains to Batman why he and Orange Lantern are the only ones who can talk to the Changing Man."
That was near the beginning.
I suspect he could find her now if he wanted to.
Like I said, too young.
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