With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

SaltyWaffles · Nov 9, 2017

random_npc said:
Holy shit, given the way green rings work that is impressive. like low-end super-genius levels of mental capacity impressive.

My take on it is that he just took the long and difficult path of learning the railgun schematics so well that he could slowly form one in an ideal, calm environment. Then he kept practicing it over and over until he could do it without such great effort and time, then he practiced it so that he could do it in a combat environment.

Which is still really impressive--and it shows some strong dedication and patience in exchange for distant payoff. It also shows why Guy has truly earned his promotions and accolades.

It's a classically Green Lantern approach to a problem--practice something unreasonably complex until you can do it reliably in combat--but it's done for a creative and intelligent end.

Also, I wonder if using a physical slug fired by a green-light railgun construct to kill someone circumvents the restriction on killing someone with a Guardian-issued Green power ring, since it's a non Green-light object doing the killing, not the ring itself, technically.

w34v3r · Nov 9, 2017

When Paul gets back to earth he's going to be talking about how he set up a lantern corps.

Everyone is going to feel so sheepish talking about stuff they did in that time after hearing that.

The Bushranger · Nov 9, 2017

Mr Zoat said:
Okay… Okay… I've got phasic rounds. It's just a matter of matching phase, and there are only a few dozen that are usable with the energy requirements that other frequencies have. Um, select a target, set the round to a frequency at random, fire-.

Below me, Guy blasts a chunk out of the tunnel wall next to a phased turret, causing the rock and metal to explode outwards and send the turret tumbling downwards.

…

Okay, brute force and ignorance it is then.

Ah, yes, the XCOM method of turret removal. You can plink and shred away at the turret that has 10 health and 4 armor for several turns...or throw one plain, common, ordinary frag grenade that knocks out the floor under it and kills it instantly.

Evil M. Lurker · Nov 9, 2017

uju32 said:
Not unprecedented.
See some of the bullshit Kyle Rayner routinely came up with.
Or John Stewart literally recreating a world.

And these are Green Rings, so they have AI support.

And Pre-Zero Hour Kilowog could make high-tech medical and manufacturing device constructs; he used them to enhance and arm the original Rocket Red Brigade.

ThrawnCA · Nov 9, 2017

Finally uncovered all the Light's secret files of typos:

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In context, I think "She nods at the fallen" would make more sense?

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2xMachina · Nov 9, 2017

Mr Zoat said:
he's just maintaining an armoured plate in front of hit and letting it fail as he takes hit.

he's just maintaining an armoured plate in front of him and letting it fail as he takes hit.

Tetrikitty · Nov 9, 2017

2xMachina said:
he's just maintaining an armoured plate in front of him and letting it fail as he takes hit.

as he takes hits

Coda · Nov 9, 2017

Mr Zoat said:
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EDIT: Aw dangit, ninja'd.

SaltyWaffles said:
My take on it is that he just took the long and difficult path of learning the railgun schematics so well that he could slowly form one in an ideal, calm environment. Then he kept practicing it over and over until he could do it without such great effort and time, then he practiced it so that he could do it in a combat environment.

OL taught him how to make them a long time ago, same time as he was training the Greenies in orange light resistance techniques.

SaltyWaffles said:
Also, I wonder if using a physical slug fired by a green-light railgun construct to kill someone circumvents the restriction on killing someone with a Guardian-issued Green power ring, since it's a non Green-light object doing the killing, not the ring itself, technically.

It's been established that this counts. Even carrying a lethal sidearm counts, IIRC.

Obloquy · Nov 9, 2017

SaltyWaffles said:
My take on it is that he just took the long and difficult path of learning the railgun schematics so well that he could slowly form one in an ideal, calm environment. Then he kept practicing it over and over until he could do it without such great effort and time, then he practiced it so that he could do it in a combat environment.

Which is still really impressive--and it shows some strong dedication and patience in exchange for distant payoff. It also shows why Guy has truly earned his promotions and accolades.

It's a classically Green Lantern approach to a problem--practice something unreasonably complex until you can do it reliably in combat--but it's done for a creative and intelligent end.

Also, I wonder if using a physical slug fired by a green-light railgun construct to kill someone circumvents the restriction on killing someone with a Guardian-issued Green power ring, since it's a non Green-light object doing the killing, not the ring itself, technically.

It's also possible he had the ring scan and memorize the schematics to help, and just ordered it do that each time, but I like your version better I think.

Regarding the no-kill restrictions, I doubt it. Otherwise a GL could blast down a fighter ship/jet and argue that it was the fall/impact that killed them. It probably has to do more with the Ring detecting when you will something you know to be fatal to occur, which is why you could kill people by accident if you aren't careful.

Also, I don't know the Green Lantern fandom much at all, but I'd been imagining it wasn't the ring automatically shutting down, but the ring send a 'used lethal force' report to Salaak and the Guardians and them making the call to shut it down, the same way the GLs would have about half an hour to stop a nuclear outbreak (violating the no government meddling directive) before their rings shut down.

That way, if a GL killed someone by accident in combat, the Guardians could check the status at the time and make the call to not shut the ring down until the fighting was done with.

hamof · Nov 9, 2017

Authority 21 isn't threadmarked.

Norgarth · Nov 9, 2017

Mr Zoat said:
A qwa-bolt burns through the air to my right.

considering OL had been requesting Ragnar goad the pursuing Thunderer into chucking a Qua-bolt down, you may want to add an indication of direction (up or down), though from Guy's reaction, I suspect it was headed upwards from a blocking force.

Empiricist2 · Nov 9, 2017

The Bushranger said:
Ah, yes, the XCOM method of turret removal. You can plink and shred away at the turret that has 10 health and 4 armor for several turns...or throw one plain, common, ordinary frag grenade that knocks out the floor under it and kills it instantly.

In this instance, he actually doesn't even need to destroy the surrounding ground of the turret. The goal is to keep the turret from firing, so all he needs to do is put a solid object through where a critical component of the turret is. For example, just launch one of those expanding hardening foam grenades, and the turret can't dephase without destroying itself.

Coda said:
It's been established that this counts. Even carrying a lethal sidearm counts, IIRC.

I don't think the ring could stop a Lantern from doing something that doesn't involve the ring. It may be able to alert the Guardians that one of their Lanterns killed someone with a mundane gun, but that's separate from the ordinary behavior of the ring being completely unable to intentionally kill someone, even indirectly.

jcw3 · Nov 9, 2017

Empiricist2 said:
In this instance, he actually doesn't even need to destroy the surrounding ground of the turret. The goal is to keep the turret from firing, so all he needs to do is put a solid object through where a critical component of the turret is. For example, just launch one of those expanding hardening foam grenades, and the turret can't dephase without destroying itself.

I don't think the ring could stop a Lantern from doing something that doesn't involve the ring. It may be able to alert the Guardians that one of their Lanterns killed someone with a mundane gun, but that's separate from the ordinary behavior of the ring being completely unable to intentionally kill someone, even indirectly.

How did Sinestro take over an entire planet without his ring killing anybody, or his ring finding out? That's what I want to know. I've yet to hear a satisfactory explanation for that, in any of the Johns comics, and if there was one in this fic, I missed it.

Like, my formative memory of Sinestro's rule over Korugar was this panel in Emerald Dawn I or II where he invites Jordan to Korugar, and he spots a bit of litter on the ground, and the Korugaran leader he's speaking to nearly has a panic attack. You don't get to that level of fear without breaking a few eggs.

Empiricist2 · Nov 9, 2017

jcw3 said:
How did Sinestro take over an entire planet without his ring killing anybody, or his ring finding out? That's what I want to know. I've yet to hear a satisfactory explanation for that, in any of the Johns comics, and if there was one in this fic, I missed it.

Like, my formative memory of Sinestro's rule over Korugar was this panel in Emerald Dawn I or II where he invites Jordan to Korugar, and he spots a bit of litter on the ground, and the Korugaran leader he's speaking to nearly has a panic attack. You don't get to that level of fear without breaking a few eggs.

In this story? Politically. Also, I'm not sure that the ring would alert the GLC if a Lantern killed someone through normal means, and enacting rules that have the death penalty as a consequence is another step removed from that.

Also, @Mr Zoat , the link above says that Katma Tui got Sinestro's Ring when he was banished to the antimatter universe, which doesn't seem to fit with the recent reveal that being banished there means you are supposed to die fighting the enemies of the GLC.

Mr Zoat said:
Flying downwards fast like this is actually quite an odd experience. I'm blasting towards a ground I can't see… Can't even detect, really. I mean, I got a reasonable map of the place from Guy so I know roughly how far down we're going but I'm very glad that my ring is making it so that my inner ear thinks I'm flying level-.

What part of "the enemy's gate is down" is so hard to grasp here?

Coda · Nov 9, 2017

Empiricist2 said:
I don't think the ring could stop a Lantern from doing something that doesn't involve the ring. It may be able to alert the Guardians that one of their Lanterns killed someone with a mundane gun, but that's separate from the ordinary behavior of the ring being completely unable to intentionally kill someone, even indirectly.

You're right about that, I'm sure.

jcw3 said:
How did Sinestro take over an entire planet without his ring killing anybody, or his ring finding out? That's what I want to know. I've yet to hear a satisfactory explanation for that, in any of the Johns comics, and if there was one in this fic, I missed it.

Memory seems to say Sinestro's behavior is why the rule was instituted. I could be wrong about that.

Empiricist2 said:
What part of "the enemy's gate is down" is so hard to grasp here?

That would imply flying feet-first, which is even worse for keeping track of where you are relative to your destination.

Maxx Crowley · Nov 9, 2017

You know, if we ever see alternate worlds again, it would be interesting to see how a yellow lantern Paul would deal with trying to build a benevolent Yellow Corps while Sinestro and his corps are a thing. Larfleeze was a threat yes, but he wasn't exactly challenging Paul's ownership of the orange light.

Was just a niggle that popped into my head.

Mr Zoat · Nov 9, 2017

ThrawnCA said:
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hamof said:
Authority 21 isn't threadmarked.

It was, I just threadmarked it as 22.

Norgarth said:
considering OL had been requesting Ragnar goad the pursuing Thunderer into chucking a Qua-bolt down, you may want to add an indication of direction (up or down), though from Guy's reaction, I suspect it was headed upwards from a blocking force.

Qwa-discharges are light speed so it's basically impossible for him to tell.

Empiricist2 said:
Also, @Mr Zoat , the link above says that Katma Tui got Sinestro's Ring when he was banished to the antimatter universe, which doesn't seem to fit with the recent reveal that being banished there means you are supposed to die fighting the enemies of the GLC.

At that point the SI didn't know whether she literally got his ring or not, but he knew that she figuratively got it in the sense of being the new Lantern from Korugar. The SI still doesn't know for certain if it's literally Sinestro's ring.

What part of "the enemy's gate is down" is so hard to grasp here?

That's for zero gravity fights.

Evil Plan · Nov 9, 2017

Bit of an oldie:

Mr Zoat said:
Ah, there's nothing quite as good at clearing up a soiled bedchamber before sleeping as a power ring. Wonderful device.

Unless you're doing something both clever and subtle, I don't think you mean "as a power ring".

Mr Zoat said:
He smirks. "But did j'a learn anythin'?"

Not sure if this is "wrong" or just a you thing (like "whaw"), but I'd have written that as dee eye dee apostrophe jay maybe-an-apostrophe-but-probably-not aay.

Also yay, fight sequence!

Empiricist2 · Nov 9, 2017

Coda said:
That would imply flying feet-first, which is even worse for keeping track of where you are relative to your destination.

With ring granted situational awareness, I think the lower vulnerable surface area outweighs losing a portion of your visual field.

Mr Zoat said:
That's for zero gravity

I'm not sure how gravity affects anyone involved in this fight. The whole reason behind "the enemy's gate is down" is that where orientation doesn't matter, you should minimize the surface area that your enemy has to disable you. It doesn't matter too much in Lantern v. Lantern fights because Lanterns can move so quickly, but against static defenses I see little reason to present such a large surface area for them to shoot. Especially when construct armor fails completely if any section of it is destroyed.

Mr Zoat said:
At that point the SI didn't know whether she literally got his ring or not, but he knew that she figuratively got it in the sense of being the new Lantern from Korugar. The SI still doesn't know for certain if it's literally Sinestro's ring.

Oh, that makes sense. Thanks.

hamof · Nov 9, 2017

Evil Plan said:
Unless you're doing something both clever and subtle, I don't think you mean "as a power ring".

I think he means that nothing is as good at cleaning up a bedchamber as a power ring, though I can see why it'd be confusing.

Avernus · Nov 9, 2017

Empiricist2 said:
I don't think the ring could stop a Lantern from doing something that doesn't involve the ring. It may be able to alert the Guardians that one of their Lanterns killed someone with a mundane gun, but that's separate from the ordinary behavior of the ring being completely unable to intentionally kill someone, even indirectly.

That came up with Lantern Chance. When his ring refused to kill somebody he just drew his sidearm and shot them; the ring didn't stop him, but it did notify the Guardians.

I suspect the ring can read intentions or there'd be more ring shutdowns due to people being accidentally killed in battle.

stsword · Nov 9, 2017

jcw3 said:
How did Sinestro take over an entire planet without his ring killing anybody, or his ring finding out? That's what I want to know. I've yet to hear a satisfactory explanation for that, in any of the Johns comics, and if there was one in this fic, I missed it.

Like, my formative memory of Sinestro's rule over Korugar was this panel in Emerald Dawn I or II where he invites Jordan to Korugar, and he spots a bit of litter on the ground, and the Korugaran leader he's speaking to nearly has a panic attack. You don't get to that level of fear without breaking a few eggs.

The Greenies didn't always have a rule against killing. Hal executed Sinestro with a ring for example.

I suggested for continuity sake that rather than treating it as a retcon, that it might be a new rule, like something they instituted after finding their favorite lantern going rogue.

Whether if that was the authors' intentions, or if Zoat is going with that idea, dunno.

Sinestro isn't the only rogue lantern to take over a planet. Someone stole this other lantern tyrant's ring and her dying act was to reanimate as zombies every single one of the regime's victims to take him out. Wish I could remember his name. I just found the idea of someone unleashing a Greenest Night amusing.

SaltyWaffles · Nov 9, 2017

I like how Paul seems to be proud of teaching a Green Lantern how to make a railgun construct (and seeing him actually use it in combat).

Chaoswind · Nov 9, 2017

stsword said:
The Greenies didn't always have a rule against killing. Hal executed Sinestro with a ring for example.

I suggested for continuity sake that rather than treating it as a retcon, that it might be a new rule, like something they instituted after finding their favorite lantern going rogue.

Whether if that was the authors' intentions, or if Zoat is going with that idea, dunno.

Sinestro isn't the only rogue lantern to take over a planet. Someone stole this other lantern tyrant's ring and her dying act was to reanimate as zombies every single one of the regime's victims to take him out. Wish I could remember his name. I just found the idea of someone unleashing a Greenest Night amusing.

It wasn't a new rule because the rule existed and was in force during the Green Lantern vs The Reach war.

Also the rings do not immediately deactivate upon a target dead, it happens after Reviewing.

Finally in this history Rings AI will blatantly state their misgivings when their user tries to do certain things, but they cannot prevent their wearers from violating them if they REALLY want to, the problem is that the guardians will likely turn the rings off and recall the lantern to be evaluated.

Mr Zoat · Nov 9, 2017

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ThrawnCA said:
Finally uncovered all the Light's secret files of typos:

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al Ghul
information on League member weaknesses
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to be bringing
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In context, I think "She nods at the fallen" would make more sense?
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Thank you, corrected.

repent of your sins

I've never heard it said like that before.

first space tourist

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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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