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The god level adjustment is terrible.

people always seem to think that duel classing is the key to becoming OP but it really isn't

Two lantern rings, new good hood, and your surprised he just leveled up?

Really with out the equipment this renegade build would suck late game.
Not to mention that the god race piles on a small ton of Outsider Hit Dice. While they're not the worst racial HD in the universe, they still grossly delay your level advancement when added in on top of the level adjustment.
 
I dunno. Dual-classing is much like the white ring chain. It's not a FAST path to power, and there are many compromises to be made along the way, but the power ceiling is much higher in the long run because of the diminishing returns effect of min-maxing at higher levels. And shortcuts don't always pan out. (Case in point: I've mentioned before how I did my own white ring run -- diplomacy is by far the fastest way to get a white ring, but once you get it you aren't nearly as effective with it as you would be if you had ground through the solo run.)
 
I dunno. Dual-classing is much like the white ring chain. It's not a FAST path to power, and there are many compromises to be made along the way, but the power ceiling is much higher in the long run because of the diminishing returns effect of min-maxing at higher levels. And shortcuts don't always pan out. (Case in point: I've mentioned before how I did my own white ring run -- diplomacy is by far the fastest way to get a white ring, but once you get it you aren't nearly as effective with it as you would be if you had ground through the solo run.)
Depends on the system and whether level caps are in place. If you're d20 and no epic levels are available, you want to single-class a full caster. If epic rules are available...eh, same thing, really. Dual-classing can be fun, don't get me wrong, but for pure power, you just single-class it.
 
I was thinking of that, but apparently, four GLs can pool their work to conjure up a FTL spacecraft.(Action Comics #589) Of course, three of them were aliens, so maybe one of them was just very good a memorizing and visualizing?
What did the ship actually do? Space/FTL travel is a basic function after all, it could have basically just been a fancy looking prop. Maybe it's a bit easier to concentrate on moving people around if they're inside a ship or something.
 
Not to mention that the god race piles on a small ton of Outsider Hit Dice. While they're not the worst racial HD in the universe, they still grossly delay your level advancement when added in on top of the level adjustment.
Well, that's why you take some level drain from Anti-Life exposure to drop some of those racial hit dice and re-level in a proper PC class.
 
Not to mention that the god race piles on a small ton of Outsider Hit Dice. While they're not the worst racial HD in the universe, they still grossly delay your level advancement when added in on top of the level adjustment.

Which is why I would have used a little patience and researched for the eradicator upgrade. Kryptonian powers, energy powers, supercomputer brain, it's a sweet deal.

As long as your build has high enough willpower to get over the anti-clone prejudice or the urge to turn Earth into New Krypton, I hate hate hate the subplot in which the eradicator clone prejudice allows Lex to recruit Conner.

Plus the bonus content with Kon when you look just like Superman is great, and I like the extra dialogue options with the Reds that comes from technically being an AI running on wetware.

The sunstone suits for the Team really pay for themselves in the long run too.

Note- I figure if Renegade would let a freaking fatherbox rebuild him, he'd probably let the eradicator do it too. So even if Zoat never writes it up I imagine a Renegade eradicator somewhere out there in the DC omniverse.
 
I also appreciate how determined his guards were to fight back despite how blatantly outclassed they were. And also how they completely ruined Grayven's attempt at a Darkseid Moment in the process. Well trained, they are.
He made a rookie mistake. You are supposed to disable all alarm system and ways your target can call for help beforehand. Also you should appear somewhere where your target is isolated.

Batman was never such an amateur.
 
Note- I figure if Renegade would let a freaking fatherbox rebuild him, he'd probably let the eradicator do it too. So even if Zoat never writes it up I imagine a Renegade eradicator somewhere out there in the DC omniverse.
There's a pretty good reason why the Renegade didn't go that route. Sub-Commander Wor-Ul has a bit of a thing about Eradicators.
 
Depends on the system and whether level caps are in place. If you're d20 and no epic levels are available, you want to single-class a full caster. If epic rules are available...eh, same thing, really. Dual-classing can be fun, don't get me wrong, but for pure power, you just single-class it.
The thing is, pure power ITSELF has diminishing returns. The more power you have, the more you have to gain before it makes a difference in whether or not you can win an encounter. Dual-classing gives you the ability to deal with encounters that just one of your two classes wouldn't be able to solo.
 
Is there an a actual game system of some kind that this is running on buried in the thousands of pages of this thread, or are y'all just taking the piss?

It's a running joke which Zoat has participated in that Renegade and Paragon are just two different playthroughs of a young justice video game.

Hence the bit about a suicide squad DLC in the Ambush Bug section of the story.

Of course, since one of those visions turned out to be real....
 
It's a running joke which Zoat has participated in that Renegade and Paragon are just two different playthroughs of a young justice video game.

Hence the bit about a suicide squad DLC in the Ambush Bug section of the story.

Of course, since one of those visions turned out to be real....

I mean I have read stories where it is an actual RPG system running the fights and stuff where the author just writes up the results of what he rolled, so it wouldn't be completely unprecedented.
 
I mean I have read stories where it is an actual RPG system running the fights and stuff where the author just writes up the results of what he rolled, so it wouldn't be completely unprecedented.

DC did DND comics a gazillion years ago so I like to think there's at least one alt.Paul munchkining RPG rules, but Zoat isn't a DND guy so the chances of him writing that up are small.
 
...so if this guy exists, why the crap did the writers not give him the same kind of restrictions they gave Firestorm?! Stupid writers.
Because the planet Trom and Jan "Element Lad" Arrah, Trommite member of the Legion of Super-Heroes, were created in 1963. Early Silver Age DC was not known for putting much thought into these things.
 
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Because the planet Trom and Jan "Element Lad" Arrah, Trommite member of the Legion of Super-Heroes, were created in 1963. Early Silver Age DC was not known for putting much thought into these things.

Since Element Lad is a hero who wouldn't use the evil options, and the rest of the trommites were busy being dead, the villainous potential of the powers isn't really relevant.

It's not like legion was a vertigo title. ☺​
 
I look him directly in the eyes. "Sir, I didn't know that you didn't know until just then. Early in my stay on this Earth I discovered any number of things that I would imagine people would rather I didn't share. So unless I've got a mission-related reason to do so-."
The photos on this link aren't working, although the implication that Canary and Starman got their fuck on is fairly implicit in the text description at the top. Couldn't find a replacement image.
 
Respite (part 2)
16th August
06:50 GMT


While I technically have the day off, I think that I should probably at least do a basic check on the station's facilities. It's mildly gratifying to my ego that even after so much direct exposure I still draw a crowd when I go out in public, but it does get a bit distracting when I'm trying to work. Fortunately, with the hour still being early -at least for most of the residents- my only encounter as I walk through the gardens is a quick mutual wave with one of Jade's fellow joggers. The gardens are something I'm particularly pleased with; people don't function well in purely artificial environments and plants grow perfectly well on space stations. And heck, we wanted to build a synthetic arcane structure anyway, might as well make best use out of it.

As a result, rather than cabins coming off a corridor Star Trek style, everyone living here has a habitation unit in the middle of well-tended grasslands. Patches of succulents with purple flowers provide colour, though not in a direct line between places people are likely to want to walk. A small effort on Euanthe's part keeps the grass growing strong in those places, but I'd rather not trouble her…

I hesitate, crouching down in front of a flowerbed. Actually, I… I don't remember what these are called. The flowers come in clusters of six, the petals arranged in a five-layered spiral pattern with long purple stamens extending out from the centre. There's what I assume to be the seedpod just behind each flower, and each cluster then connects to a thick, fleshy vine. They're quite pretty, but I'm really not-.

No, no, they're just one of Abra's synthetic plants. Silly thing to worry about.

I stand and turn away, heading towards the nearest portal gateway. Magic-based teleportation is so much mechanically simpler than anything technological, particularly given that we already had full control of the station's arcane framework. The transportation effect can just piggyback on the existing connections, unlike the networks on Earth which still have to bind individual gates together.

"Root Bed."

Though I wasn't foolish enough to not include some security, the arcane networks of the station monitor… Well, not monitor-monitor, but they're in constant touch with the souls of all residents. Again, using that as the basis of the security system just seemed like an obvious and logical step. As such, despite this being the most important place on the station there isn't any sort of fortification at the far end. Just a platform around the edge of the room in which the Root of Yggdrasil grows. Part magic and part biotechnology, it binds our little space station to the magics of Earth and allows an isolated space station floating in the void to function as a proper living world rather than a lump of unliving metal. Well, technically, if this place was inhabited for few thousand generations we would get a similar effect but I've never been keen on waiting like that.

It also means that anyone who dies here gets to go to their preferred afterlife. The prospect of permanent purgatory had been making people more than a little uncomfortable about this.

The Root itself is a tall green tower spotted with purple blisters, and it sprouts from the soil below and spreads its vines out across the ceiling. Each vine plugs into a runic tile which serves as the physical aspect of the ongoing connection. I give the whole setup a quick scan, but there doesn't seem to have been any unintentional change-.

"Paul." Abra shimmers into visibility to my right, following my gaze as I consider the Root. "I thought you were taking today off?"

"Just wanted to give the place the once over before I left."

He smiles, patting me on the left shoulder with his right hand. "Paul, I designed this system. It's working fine. And the moment anything goes wrong about thirty people who could actually do something about it will charge through the portals. If you're so eager to put off seeing your Mother, why don't you go and look over Ted's shoulder instead?"

I… Suppose that he's right. I nod, bowing my head slightly afterwards. "That was my next stop. I'll… Leave you to it." I frown. "Wait, how did you know I was here?"

His face freezes for a fraction of a second, then he smiles the relaxed smile I've become familiar with. "Only one man on this station doesn't trigger arrival wards when he uses the gates. I think all the department heads have a spell set to alert them when you appear."

"'Look busy, the boss is coming?'"

"I wouldn't put it quite like that. We've all got as much invested in this place as you have. But you brought us all together, and none of us want to disappoint you." He glances away for a moment and clears his throat. "Or send you on a cross-galaxy rampage, assimilating everything in your path."

"That would never happen, Abra."

"Excuse me if I choose not to take any risks. But! Since you're so concerned…" He walks towards the edge of the platform, glances back to make sure that I'm watching, then draws his wand from thin air. He holds it out like the baton of an orchestra conductor, then with a sweeping motion conjures up an illusion of the station's arcane networks. "The sun still shines, the plants still grow, the links between every part of the station and their anchor points in the Earth-sphere remain strong." The arcane energy flows related to each shimmer as he announces them. "Spare energy bleed through is well under maximum tolerances and network stability is… On track."

"On track?"

"I had hoped that it would go a little faster, but it seems that Sephtian was right. It scales in a linear fashion and not quadratically. At least we are not behind."

"No reported problems?"

"Euanthe tells me that it still doesn't feel quite right…" He shrugs. "Part of the Green's nature is the habit of unrestrained growth. At this point we need to keep it too controlled for it to feel natural to her. The sooner that wildlife areas can be completed the happier it will make her."

I nod. "I'll mention it to Ted. You need anything else yourself?"

"An oracle, if you can find one willing to work here. I'd like to update my arcane analytics programs before the next stage, and someone with an ability for parsing the future from ambiguous inputs would be an interesting case study."

"I'll ask, but I can't promise anything. You know how most Amazons feel about space."

"At least they're prepared to leave their island now."

I smile as I walk back towards the portal. "Yes, we are. Fabrication."

I step out of the portal on the far side and look out across the workshop floor. My ring keeps the noise down, but unlike the Root Bed the Fabrication section keeps going twenty four hours a day. At the moment we're using every bit of orichalcum we produce here ourselves, but once the station is complete we'll be in a perfect position to export it or use it for ship building. A lot of the machinery here was blessed by Hephaestus when it was first assembled, but sadly I wasn't able to persuade him to move here full time. His followers on Earth and his duties to them simply take up too much time for it to be practical for him.

"…through here is where daddy works." I look around as Ted follows me through the portal in his dressing gown, young Damon held firmly in both arms. "And where daddy's going to be late this morning because daddy needs some sleep if he's going to get any work done."

"Morning Ted."

"Hey Paul." He walks past me and tilts his son so that the boy can look out across the foundry. "See all the fancy machines? I always find them all working like that kinda hypnotic and I'm kinda hoping you do too because your mother isn't letting me back in the house until you're asleep."

Damon extends a small hand in the direction of a machine extruding an orichalcum girder. "Gah?"

"Is everyone having an early morning today?"

Ted sighs, then turns towards me. "I wasn't planning to, but Damon had other ideas."

"Lose the coin flip with Io?"

"Not after she caught me using a weighted coin that one time. I get mornings, she gets evenings."

I give Damon a smile. He responds by hugging his father closer and putting his right hand in his mouth. "They're supposed to settle down after a couple of months."

"Looking forward to it. Ever think about having one yourself?"

"Given my personal circumstances-"

He nods. "Right."

"-it could be a bit complicated."

Ted looks around the room and then back to me. "You wouldn't be putting off-?"

"No, clearly that's not an option." I turn away from the workshop and head back towards the portal. "See you tomorrow."
 
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"Treason Day, I know. I think half the reason why Zatanna's so enthusiastic about it is that it's the only way she could ever persuade me to take part."
The second link just shows this:

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The first link though is still amusing as the first time I watched it.
 
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