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It would be totally redundant from our perspective, but it would be sweet to have a Reveal Monologue. And when I say a reveal monologue, I mean the one from Lucky Number Slevin (potato quality, sorry). Particularly with the construct wraith and "All that was left to do was make the phone ring."

Uh, not sure if people should be advocating genocide of an entire people based on a few assholes. If that were the case then humanity getting genocided would be justified just because the person making the decision was talking to some slavers at the time. Think Zoat mentioned something about therte being no planet of hats.

This particular people are all almost the same person, to be fair...
 
I see no reason behind OL not being able to give Starfire and Blackfire their intended powerset just by healing them up from the mistreatment? Orange Ring is not a rocket science, it is literally clarktech device working on desires of the user. Paul wanting them to be at their best? It's all there is needed as he heals the gals. Because i fucking doubt he'll let them suffer since he had such visceral reaction, only supressed by Ring, to what happened to them.

With that said, there could be two-fold thing with the Orange Ring that Citadelian asshole put on. Primo, he directly rebelled against Progenitor, brain-implant go BOOM!, secondly he put on Orange Construct Ring connected to Larfreeze. Monkey-asshole might show up like projection of Palapatine.
 
Going over this chapter again...wooow. If OL is this mad...I am imagining what RL Zoat would do. I can't imagine him letting them get off with just disintegration.
 
I see no reason behind OL not being able to give Starfire and Blackfire their intended powerset just by healing them up from the mistreatment?
Except that the procedure that granted them those powers had never been used on anyone before and one of the lead researchers genuinely thought that the subjects exploding was the most likely result. The SI knows nothing like enough to try it himself and that's assuming that they'd volunteer.
 
Except that the procedure that granted them those powers had never been used on anyone before and one of the lead researchers genuinely thought that the subjects exploding was the most likely result. The SI knows nothing like enough to try it himself and that's assuming that they'd volunteer.
And he can't use meta-knowledge + generated Tamaranian sample(like a blood vial or something similar) to test it first? Like what he did when he was testing if the Garrick/Danner formulas would work on him. Also is this not just blasting them with extreme levels of solar(or some other kind of) radiation?
 
Except that the procedure that granted them those powers had never been used on anyone before and one of the lead researchers genuinely thought that the subjects exploding was the most likely result. The SI knows nothing like enough to try it himself and that's assuming that they'd volunteer.
I'd argue they aren't quite the same without their powerset.

Although I suppose you COULD give it to them by adjusting how you define this line
"Frustrating, but… Very well." We're getting closer to the armoured doors on the other side of the chamber. Fon picks up his pace, jogging out ahead and triggering the door mechanism. "We haven't gotten around to.. tidying them up yet, but it you're prepared to accept them 'as they are', you may as well take them now."

Its possible said Psion had done some inital experiments/exposure/procedure as prep for their main experiemnt which Paul just interupted... and you could put forth a claim that said initial procedure is what 'primed' Starfire and Blackfire for their eventual powerset... with the main experiment just 'kickstarting' things.

Heck you could even have a fun scene of Paul doing a scan and discovering the priming but not realizing what it is and just accidentally setting them off to their powerset. Perhaps while healing Blackfires inability to fly?

best of both worlds then.
 
I'm guessing that Paul will end up gifting them powers, through morally acceptable ways. Hell, just the Danner and Garrick formulas would make them super strong, super fast, flying bricks. I'm sure the genetic potential that the Psions were trying to unlock is there.
Aside from flight, no.
Except that the procedure that granted them those powers had never been used on anyone before and one of the lead researchers genuinely thought that the subjects exploding was the most likely result. The SI knows nothing like enough to try it himself and that's assuming that they'd volunteer.
He has scans of the equipment that was going to be used on them, he has prior knowledge that the experiment will give these two Tamaraneans powers specifically, and that they can survive the process. He has the analytic capabilities to figure out why, and apply the effects of the machine in a less painful manner. OL would have to be a little shit to not give them the powers they were supposed that have, when all the pieces are right there.

Incidentally, I do hope that whatever information the Psions have gathered on Tamaranean biology does get saved, if only so it can be put to constructive use. That way, at least something good will come from their torment.
Apparently not. Because even though OL knows the research here revealed a way to unlock powers in either all Tamaraneans, or a subsection at the very least, he will be keeping that to himself.
 
He has scans of the equipment that was going to be used on them, he has prior knowledge that the experiment will give these two Tamaraneans powers specifically, and that they can survive the process. He has the analytic capabilities to figure out why, and apply the effects of the machine in a less painful manner. OL would have to be a little shit to not give them the powers they were supposed that have, when all the pieces are right there.
But he doesn't know which of the hundreds of possible procedures listed are the ones which would produce the desired results.
Apparently not. Because even though OL knows the research here revealed a way to unlock powers in either all Tamaraneans, or a subsection at the very least, he will be keeping that to himself.
It isn't a secret that X'Hal was made into a goddess by the Psions.
 
Hmm. Pretty sure this means Starfire and Blackfire won't have their comic book powers, since the Psions have't tried to make them explode yet.

He did mention solar saturation though. When he said how much losing these two would set him back.

Wasn't that what they got their powers from, in canon?

"Fon, I'm afraid that I'm going to be ordering the transfer of those two females you wanted to play with."

I see a momentary puff of orange. Frustrated desire, and… Some sort of machine? "That is… Quite inconvenient. The Tamaranians who work here don't have the solar exposure we need for our studies. This could set us back quite considerably."

This in addition to the surgical incisions mentioned on their bodies.
It seems pretty clear that the Psion's have already gotten started.

It depends on you want to write, obviously, but if you want them to have their super-strength and lasers, it wouldn't be hard to say that they'd already had one mega-dose of solar energy, and the Psion's hadn't seen the results yet because they're both too injured to actually do anything with it.

I dunno though. It does feel like non-empowered starfire is missing something.
On the other hand, Paul showing up directly after their empowerment but before they broke out would require ridiculous timing.
 
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But he doesn't know which of the hundreds of possible procedures listed are the ones which would produce the desired results.
Look at what he knows from clues dropped here.
I see a momentary puff of orange. Frustrated desire, and… Some sort of machine? "That is… Quite inconvenient. The Tamaranians who work here don't have the solar exposure we need for our studies. This could set us back quite considerably."
"What's that supposed to do?"
"Make them explode, probably. But we'd learn from exactly when and why they exploded. Ah well." He presses a button and the device powers down. "Perhaps some other time."
And add that to out of context knowledge, in addition to a power ring.
"Power rings are awesome."
He could run them through the list one by one till something happens, since he knows it is the machine that ends up exploding, not them.
Or just scan the princesses and run simulations of procedures the machine is capable of in those scans to see what unlocks teh powerz.
 
Folks, do you honestly believe that that Mr Zoat hasn't thought of all the best ways to powergame with an Orange Ring by this point?
 
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Folks, do you honestly believe that that Mr Zoat hasn't thought of all the best ways to powergame with an Orange Ring by this point?
Yes, actually. I think he's thought of MANY of the best ways to do it. But given that it's an open-ended question, I don't think you could ever reasonably say any one person has come up with ALL of them.
 
He put on a orange power ring and then immediately stated he was going to overthrow his own government. The second he said that they just triggered his implants self destruct. Paul didn't do anything, he didn't need to, he knew exactly what would happen if the admiral put that ring on without any preparation or training.
While I do like this interpretation, I think that the explosion will be because of Larfleeze. Even disregarding the link in the last line, orange rings don't create new desires, they enhance the ones you already have. So this Citadelian probably already wanted to be emperor at some level. Unless the cybernetics only activate on speech, not thought, then he should have exploded a while ago.
Uh, not sure if people should be advocating genocide of an entire people based on a few assholes. If that were the case then humanity getting genocided would be justified just because the person making the decision was talking to some slavers at the time. Think Zoat mentioned something about therte being no planet of hats.
While I admit I may have been caught up in the moment to a degree, I did include the qualifier that the Citadel should only be eradicated if they were all like the Citadelian shown here.
He could run them through the list one by one till something happens, since he knows it is the machine that ends up exploding, not them.
Or just scan the princesses and run simulations of procedures the machine is capable of in those scans to see what unlocks teh powerz.
Why though? The process itself is likely rather unpleasant and fraught with danger if everything doesn't go well. For what gain? They get enhanced strength and starbolts, both of which can be superseded by technology. Give them some good power armor and a selection of plasma based weapons to choose from and the results are nearly indistinguishable. There is some value in their weapons being inherent, but the danger of the process and the ability to change weapons outweighs that.

And if they're getting power rings anyways, then the offensive and defensive options offered by a ring completely outclass any boost they could get from enhanced physiology.
 
Yes, actually. I think he's thought of MANY of the best ways to do it. But given that it's an open-ended question, I don't think you could ever reasonably say any one person has come up with ALL of them.
It seemed rather obvious to me that I was not intending for my statement to be interpreted by the exact definitions of terms I was using, but if you wish for me to be precise, I'll reiterate. Do you (or anyone else here) really think that you personally have come up with some crazy new loophole that Mr Zoat has yet to think of? Specifically, do you (or anyone else here) really think that Mr Zoat has not thought of the who/what/when/why/how of having the Tamaranian sisters have their powers, and that you are informing him of some unforeseen new path the story could take?
 
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