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Admittedly it's been a while since I've watched classic Dr Who, but if memory serves that third way is often "monster or villain of the week gets a brutal death that the Dr totally orchestrated, while pretending his hands are clean."
I mean, there's several cases of that, but old Who also had a good number of instances where the Doctor at least tried to avoid escalating, or offered his opponent a chance at peaceful resolution. A lot depends on which incarnation was at the helm.

One was still very much a Time Lord of Gallifrey, complete with all the arrogance and paternalism that entails; likewise, he was a much younger and less seasoned man, which meant that he had plenty of moments of... moral weakness.

Two was more concerned with stopping harm than either punishing the guilty or avoiding lethal force, so he could go either way depending on how the dice fell.

Three was a good bit like the First Doctor, but with more balls and a better-defined sense of ethics; he routinely beat the Holy Spirit out of people with "Venusian aikido", and he was willing to kill things that were unrepentantly malevolent & harmful, but at the same time he fought tooth and nail to try and save a Silurian enclave from being destroyed by the British government, even after casualties ensued, on the grounds that the actions of the few Silurians who chose to consider humans a nuisance to be destroyed didn't merit the wholesale genocide of their species.

From what I remember of the Fourth Doctor, he was fairly pacifistic, but you have to consider that his first Companion was essentially a Fallout tribal who did the killing for him when all other options had failed. For all that he spared the Daleks (the more fool he), Four was fine with victimizers being killed to protect their victims.

I know rather little of Five, other than that his run was probably one of the most blood-soaked and dark of the old series - multiple episodes apparently ended with him returning to the TARDIS as the sole survivor, and he ultimately died trying to save his Companion. I welcome anyone willing to chime in on his behalf, or one Six's behalf for that matter - I know even less about him.

Seven, on the other hand, was just a stone cold bastard who regularly did the aforementioned orchestration of brutal deaths for his enemies; his first response to meeting the Fifth Doctor at one point was to immediately start thinking of ways he could exploit his own past self as a pawn in his plans.
 
I'm assuming you mean the most populous or the most dominant Tamaranean culture calls it Liot'r? Because if you have Tamaran as a monoculture, I'll be really, really disappointed.
Actually, would a planet with a unified world gov, open traveling and the 'net for, say, 1000 years, become, more or less a monoculture? Are we wearing hats?
 
I mean, there's several cases of that, but old Who also had a good number of instances where the Doctor at least tried to avoid escalating, or offered his opponent a chance at peaceful resolution. A lot depends on which incarnation was at the helm.

One was still very much a Time Lord of Gallifrey, complete with all the arrogance and paternalism that entails; likewise, he was a much younger and less seasoned man, which meant that he had plenty of moments of... moral weakness.

Two was more concerned with stopping harm than either punishing the guilty or avoiding lethal force, so he could go either way depending on how the dice fell.

Three was a good bit like the First Doctor, but with more balls and a better-defined sense of ethics; he routinely beat the Holy Spirit out of people with "Venusian aikido", and he was willing to kill things that were unrepentantly malevolent & harmful, but at the same time he fought tooth and nail to try and save a Silurian enclave from being destroyed by the British government, even after casualties ensued, on the grounds that the actions of the few Silurians who chose to consider humans a nuisance to be destroyed didn't merit the wholesale genocide of their species.

From what I remember of the Fourth Doctor, he was fairly pacifistic, but you have to consider that his first Companion was essentially a Fallout tribal who did the killing for him when all other options had failed. For all that he spared the Daleks (the more fool he), Four was fine with victimizers being killed to protect their victims.

I know rather little of Five, other than that his run was probably one of the most blood-soaked and dark of the old series - multiple episodes apparently ended with him returning to the TARDIS as the sole survivor, and he ultimately died trying to save his Companion. I welcome anyone willing to chime in on his behalf, or one Six's behalf for that matter - I know even less about him.

Seven, on the other hand, was just a stone cold bastard who regularly did the aforementioned orchestration of brutal deaths for his enemies; his first response to meeting the Fifth Doctor at one point was to immediately start thinking of ways he could exploit his own past self as a pawn in his plans.
Pretty much. While I have some fondness for Nine, Ten and Eleven just come off as self-righteous, hole-in-one and hypocritical to me a lot of the time. (I've never seen any Twelve.) That, and the writers taking soft SF as an excellent l excuse to give absolutely no cares about consistency and bragging about it. I hate the timey wimey quote so much.
 
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To be slightly more on topic, I found this quote about Eris on a wiki walk:
One day Mal-2 consulted his Pineal Gland and asked Eris if She really created all of those terrible things. She told him that She had always liked the Old Greeks, but that they cannot be trusted with historic matters. "They were," She added, "victims of indigestion, you know."
It seems to fit the Eris of this story.

Also, I think it would be cool for the SI to make something on Eris. Maybe a shrine or some sort of offering to his patron. Or to be more thematically fitting, a garden full of summer plants.
 
I discovered something amusing considering all the jokes about this story being a playthrough of a YJ game- DC did a series which reveals that video games are interfaces between Earth and an Otherworld, and while the inhabitants dont have the power to pull a Pixels on Earth, they want to.

Teenage gal accidentally gets digitized and when she comes back she has all the abilities of a PC from the game- hammer space arsenal, health bar, healing factor, combos, earning points for equipment upgrades, bullet time reflexes, enhanced strength, and extra lives through a save system.

So I can easily see an alt.Paul going with the pixelated supersoldier route.

Lots of fun options since it was apparently the game system that was important, not the game itself, so lots of options.

Other than that vaporware 4x game (the one with the robots and the lovecraftian monsters) , though, I'm not sure what kind of video games Zoat's into.
 
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So we're not talking about the song apparently convincing the king, then? I mean, if some one organised a musical number for me, I might go along with their scheme out of pity, I suppose.
 
I was expecting My Evil Plan To Save The World, myself.
Just you wait 'til it's unfurled!

It'll go down in HISTORY!

Actually, would a planet with a unified world gov, open traveling and the 'net for, say, 1000 years, become, more or less a monoculture? Are we wearing hats?

Our own world is going that direction already. The cultural differences between most of the non-impoverished countries on Earth are increasingly cosmetic. If you consider the United States to have a more-or-less consistent culture despite the differences between the West Coast, Texas, the South, and New England, imagine what a spacefaring race that's interacted with dozens of different species would think upon a cursory inspection of Earth's cultures. It would look pretty homogenous by comparison.

Also, I think it would be cool for the SI to make something on Eris. Maybe a shrine or some sort of offering to his patron. Or to be more thematically fitting, a garden full of summer plants.
Obviously he needs to build a hot dog stand.
 
I'm still thinking singing has a different meaning in Tamaranean culture that made it more convincing.
 
Tamanarama (part 8)
12th July
22:40 GMT


"Welcome aboard the Scratching Post." The body language of the scarred Gordanian opposite me suggests caution, but not an immediate intent to attack. Unlike the heavily armed soldiers that have formed a rough semi-circle inside the airlock. They don't appear to have been told what I am, just that I'm a threat. "I'm Chief Weezak's seneschal. I will take you to our holding pens."

Hm. Seneschal isn't exactly a position of honour amongst Gordanians. Holders of the title are usually ex-chiefs who are deposed and.. 'encouraged' to swear loyalty to the one who removed them. The custom both allows for leaders facing a coup to step down without being killed and allows their knowledge to be retained by the clan… But they then spend years reporting to the one who defeated them and who in turn knows that they must keep constant watch on… Oh, no, I see that Weezak went in for implanted explosives instead. Much more efficient.

"So, which was it?"

"Which what, Lantern?"

Ah, he recognised the rings. I raise my right hand, pointing to a recent-looking scar running along the left side of his neck. "Did you jump or were you pushed?"

He turns away from me, forcing me to rise off the ground to avoid being hit by what's left of his tail. "I displeased Clan Commander Trogaar." He heads off deeper into the station and I float along behind him, a couple of guards falling in behind me. The corridors would be more than spacious enough for Tamaranians, but Gordanians would struggle to pass one another. "I was.. fortunate enough to be permitted to kneel to Chief Weezak."

The Clan Commander is the head of the clan's military forces. So as I thought, their dedicated warships are somewhere else. Proper warships, most likely built in Citadel shipyards and possibly equipped with Psion weapons. Crewed by the best veterans the clan has.

I'm… Going to… Have to kill a lot of these people, aren't I? I… Maybe I could..? Work out a way to maroon them somewhere instead? Get rid of their FTL drives and long range communications equipment..? Don't know yet.

Tamaranian space stations were fairly Spartan affairs, and if the Gordanians have changed things they at least have the sense to keep the public areas clear… It's even reasonably well cleaned, though I doubt that they have robots to do that…

In a side passage, I get a momentary glimpse of a young Tamaranian boy mopping the deck. Ah.

My host stops in front of a heavy door in what would once have been a mechanical goods storage bay. Tamaran didn't quite have enough of a space industry to do the practical thing and handle all of their ship fabrication in orbit. Quite a lot of prefabricated components were made planetside and shipped up until they were needed. With the Gordanians not doing any shipbuilding here, they can probably spare the space.

"In here." He strikes the access panel with his right fist. The doors stay closed, a quiet growl bubbling up from his throat. He taps the communicator on his chest. "Zaark to Control. Open the door to Slave Pen Two or I'll cut off your testicles and send them to the Psions."

"Say please, Zaark. I want to hear you say 'please'."

The red billows around his interior, and he half turns in the direction that leads to the station's control centre. I can see the way his fear of being weak feeds the need to strike down those who think they can take liberties.

An exploitable disunity.

"Please, allow me."

An orange beam connects me to the doorway for a moment, easily triggering the lock mechanism. There are a.. lot of mechanical parts holding the doors together. I suppose the whole thing is designed to resist Gordanian strength. Zaark steps forwards and grabs the slowly retracting halves of the door, shoving them apart faster than the mechanism is designed to allow. There's a puff of smoke as something burns out.

"Drollg, there appears to be something wrong with your door. I would get on that quickly if I were you. Zaark out."

"You're rotten meat, Z-!"

Zaark taps his communicator again as I get a look-.

They really are pens.

Tough looking… Pipes, I think? Have been welded into bars, with heavy plates serving as doors. Each cell holds between four and ten Tamaranians, and if there's an organisation system I can't tell what it is. They stare at us fearfully, backing away to the fullest extent that their surroundings allow them to. I see… Few cuts or signs of malnutrition, but plenty of bruises and electrical burns.

"You see any you like?" Zaark heads over to a chest mounted on the wall and pulls out… A glorified cattle prod. "I can make them walk around for you, or talk or whatever."

Ring, control my features. Callous disinterest.

Compliance.

"The ones we have working for us, we implant explosives. These aren't processed yet." He walks over to a cage, bending down slightly to stare at those inside. "We can throw that in if you buy more than ten. Or you can just stick in whatever you use before you leave."

The ring reducing my response to next to nothing, I stroll down a walkway between two rows of cages, making sure to thoroughly examine those within. "Does the planet tithe them to you..? Or do you just grab them?"

"Trogaar orders us to bring him a certain number of adults. We sell the excess we collect. You want a woman?"

I stop, then turn my head towards him. "Excuse me?"

"Your species, you look like they do. If you're looking for a fuck-slave, I could point ones out to you. No?" A slight flaring of his nose that is a Gordanian shrug. "Tell me what you're looking for, then."

"Domestic servants." I continue walking through the.. room. "As you say, my species and theirs are physically similar. There's a certain appeal, and we wouldn't have to widen the hallways as we would if I bought Gordanians."

"Just for yourself? You have a big house?"

"No, I'm thinking of buying wholesale, selling retail." I stop at the far end of the room, turning back towards him. "Is this all you have?"

"Is there a problem with them?" He glances around the room. "They're not lively now, but-."

"No, no. This is fine, mostly. But I can't start a business with this few. And of course, I'm willing to pay more for those with specialist skills."

"Technical skills?" I nod. "Most of those died during the last war. We put the ones we catch to work on our equipment. Or send them to Trogaar."

"And they don't commit sabotage? Wouldn't you be better having them train your people?"

"Smaller hands are better for some things." Another flare. "We watch them, of course. But it is true that it would be better if we worked without them."

"Do you think..? I might persuade your Chief to part with them?"

"With money, all things become possible, uh?" I smile politely. "Weezak will want money. More than the market rate. And I want time to make sure our people can do the jobs. We can sell you the domestics now, if you want them."

"And more than you have? If Trogaar is using them for manual labour, I assume there's a certain amount of… Wastage?"

He makes a low hissing noise. "If you're serious about a big contract like that, you might need to talk to Trogaar himself."

"I'll try not to take too much of his time. If I could use your communication facilities..?"

"No, he'll want to see you in person. And we'll want to feel the texture of your money. If you buy what we have now… We can talk about getting you a visit."
 
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Good thing the ring helps keep emotions in check cause I'm sure OL would have decked the guy in a normal situation.

At least he won't feel bad about killing slaver scum since most of these guys are certainly not saints.

Also good thing OL always has a lot of cash on him so he can buy all the slaves and get them to safety.
 
I think the best option here is to go through most of the motions for buying the Tamaranians up to the point where they are all gathered in a single place, then cut and run. Don't have to give money to slavers, he can wreck stuff easily from within the ship, and there's a minimum of casualties. If he's not terribly worried about their ship weapons and really cares about the enslaved Tamaranians, then he has nothing at all to fear from their hand held weapons.
 
I think the best option here is to go through most of the motions for buying the Tamaranians up to the point where they are all gathered in a single place, then cut and run. Don't have to give money to slavers, he can wreck stuff easily from within the ship, and there's a minimum of casualties. If he's not terribly worried about their ship weapons and really cares about the enslaved Tamaranians, then he has nothing at all to fear from their hand held weapons.
Well he certainly needs to do something to make sure he's not encouraging them to capture more just to sell to him.
 
Thank you, corrected.
Good thing the ring helps keep emotions in check cause I'm sure OL would have decked the guy in a normal situation.
Oh, it isn't. It's just controlling his expression.
I think the best option here is to go through most of the motions for buying the Tamaranians up to the point where they are all gathered in a single place, then cut and run. Don't have to give money to slavers, he can wreck stuff easily from within the ship, and there's a minimum of casualties. If he's not terribly worried about their ship weapons and really cares about the enslaved Tamaranians, then he has nothing at all to fear from their hand held weapons.
Problem is, a lot of them aren't on the station.
 
"Trogaar orders us to bring him a certain number of adults. We sell the excess we collect. You want a woman?"
Ah.
The Clan head has an agreement with someone, who he's supplying Tamaraneans to.
Probably Psions, if I had to take a guess.

And any slaves on the open market is basically the guards selling the excess.
The Clan Commander is the head of the clan's military forces. So as I thought, their dedicated warships are somewhere else. Proper warships, most likely built in Citadel shipyards and possible equipped with Psion weapons. Crewed by the best veterans the clan has. I'm… Going to… Have to kill a lot of these people, aren't I? I… Maybe I could..? Work out a way to maroon them somewhere instead? Get rid of their FTL drives and long range communications equipment..? Don't know yet.
Psion military weapons?
I wonder what their warships are doing.

And good on him for still exploring ways to do this with minimum violence.
Heh, I wonder if it'll eventually get to the point that he just buys the planet from them.
Not actually a terrible idea.
Especially if he can get them to gather the slaves; they are best placed to know where the slaves are.
 
12th July
22:40 GMT


"No, I'm thinking of buying wholesale, selling retail." I stop at the far end of the room, turning back towards him. "Is this all you have?"

"Is there a problem with them?" He glances around the room. "They're not lively now, but-."

"No, no. This is fine, mostly. But I can't start a business with this few. And of course, I'm willing to pay more for those with specialist skills."
What exactly would have happened if OL had been told this actually was all of the slaves they had?

I'm asking because it kind of looks like he was preparing to just kill him and everyone else not enslaved and make a run for it. Except it probably isn't that because OL would need to be absolutely sure before he started something like that and talking to one guy won't provide that.

Ah, is he just talking it up so they'll actually show him the ones he's after?
 
Good thing the ring helps keep emotions in check cause I'm sure OL would have decked the guy in a normal situation.

At least he won't feel bad about killing slaver scum since most of these guys are certainly not saints.

Also good thing OL always has a lot of cash on him so he can buy all the slaves and get them to safety.

Pretty sure a non negligible amount of them have the same body bombs they put in the slaves. So yeah... probably not going to murder them all with a smile.
 
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