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Why can't they come up with form of compromise such as after Paul leaves the planet he build a habitat/safe-house with a teleporter similar to what Sivannah had set up, that way Paul can avoid the League and spend time with Jade, with the added benefit that multiple safe-houses for future corp members use in case of an emergency such as their rings being compromised. It's proven that the rings not only make fabricating objects possible but are loaded with a variety of designs and blue prints to work off. Plus replace the romance of having sex/making love under the star to among the stars, .
 
This comes up later. Jack Knight is still alive but retired. I haven't quite decided how old I want him to be. Jack wasn't a scientist and never learned to do anything original with his father's technology, though he can repair and maintain what he's got well enough.
Didn't Ted IIRC make his research into Cosmic tech power generation public domain before he died?

As for paul and his Romantic misadventures, This comic sums it up my reaction at points.
Keep up the good work.
 
Looking at everyones response to turning down casual sex I can honestly say... I am just extremely ashamed of my gender for the way people have been acting the last few pages. A guy not into casual sex is impossible? Well that's news to me considering that I am a straight guy that isn't into the idea of casual sex. Yet people are acting that someone like me is an impossibility. I can say I am just at a loss for words at the males in this forum acting like the stereotypical male that think that all men should engage in casual sex and that any that don't are just myths.

YES THANK YOU. I'll admit that if I were in that situation, I'd have a hard time saying "no", but I'd almost certainly regret it because I feel like treating sex casually is a recipe for disaster.

Though, to be fair, maybe they're treating it as if it would be an actual relationship, and that's why they're yelling at the SI? Ionno. People confuse me.
 
Why can't they come up with form of compromise such as after Paul leaves the planet he build a habitat/safe-house with a teleporter similar to what Sivannah had set up, that way Paul can avoid the League and spend time with Jade, with the added benefit that multiple safe-houses for future corp members use in case of an emergency such as their rings being compromised. It's proven that the rings not only make fabricating objects possible but are loaded with a variety of designs and blue prints to work off. Plus replace the romance of having sex/making love under the star to among the stars, .
They.
Did.
They agreed to meet up after three months and find out what the time had been like (if they both wanted it, if neither of them had exclusive relationships, etc.)

Let me repeat this again:
They. Did.

The whining was amusing for the first couple of pages, but the joke is old. I apologize that you have ended up suffering the brunt of my response but really.
 
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YES THANK YOU. I'll admit that if I were in that situation, I'd have a hard time saying "no", but I'd almost certainly regret it because I feel like treating sex casually is a recipe for disaster.

It might be disastrous for you, but a lot of people seem to enjoy it. The SI here seems to prefer intercourse to happen within a romantic relationship, though. And Zoat likes to write people hitting on the SI, which is a bit weird.

They agreed to meet up after three months and find out what the time had been like (if they both wanted it, if neither of them had exclusive relationships, etc.)

They agreed to meet up an indeterminate amount of time later, with the earliest projection being two months.
 
It might be disastrous for you, but a lot of people seem to enjoy it. The SI here seems to prefer intercourse to happen within a romantic relationship, though. And Zoat likes to write people hitting on the SI, which is a bit weird.

Don't think it's weird considering that the SI has been noted to physically attractive, rich, a nice guy and a superhero. It's like saying it would be weird if someone else with those traits got hit on. You don't see people saying that Bruce Wayne or Superman getting hit is weird do you? Not to mention that people seem to like to ship in quite a lot of works..
 
It might be disastrous for you, but a lot of people seem to enjoy it.

A lot of people enjoy alcohol, too, and you can't say that doesn't have negative effects when people do dumb things under the influence. I feel the same way about casual sex. That being said, I'm okay with your stance about "a lot of people", since that still gives room for people like me and Red Bovine to exist.
 
Seriosuly what is this obsessions that writers seems to have with asexual MC's? It just Reached Noble Harry Potter levels where Harry wants to wait until his wedding night.

No seriously I haven't met any single guy that would turn down casual sex with someone they liked who is also a friend. IT just is not realistic. More to point do you know how many soldiers gets a child right before they ship out? A lot.

So it just breaks the SoD for me. I think I will take a break from this story for a few days. I am displased with this. Sorry @Mr Zoat
It just feels frustrating as a reader. Because It is man is supposed to kiss their lover and go to war.

Here we see Paul being woman enough to weird me out.

...And this here is what I am talking about. This is an amazingly ridiculous statement for a guy like me. I am also offended about you calling Paul(a guy) a woman just because he has reasons for not doing casual sex. That's just sexist as hell.
 
Though, to be fair, maybe they're treating it as if it would be an actual relationship, and that's why they're yelling at the SI? Ionno. People confuse me.

I think the point some people are making is that it feels like Paul is making decisions based on willpower (more willpower than Hal Jordan displayed in his romantic life, in fact) while completely suppressing his desires, which seems a bit off.

Personally, on the casual sex thing, I don't have any problem with Paul saying, hey, if we sleep together, I'm not going to want to leave tomorrow, and I really need to leave tomorrow. It's just that it feels like a careful reasoned decision to do the logical thing rather than doing what he actually wants.

... there's also the part where part of his response seems not that far from "No, we cannot have the sex, because I am so amazing in bed that you will immediately fall in love with me, and alas, I am to leave tomorrow, so it would not be fair to you, m'lady." *tips fedora*

They.
Did.
They agreed to meet up after three months and find out what the time had been like (if they both wanted it, if neither of them had exclusive relationships, etc.)

That's not a compromise. That's such a dumb decision that high school seniors, planning their long distance relationship at colleges on different coasts (which will totally work, guys, because of how in love they are), are looking at Paul with pity.

"I don't want to start a relationship now, but I just want to know that, at some unknown date (could be two months, could be longer, who knows), I'm going to be back, and I'm declaring that my present state of mind is to start a relationship with you at that unknown future date, but you shouldn't let this declaration affect your decisions and I don't know what'll happen on my trip, so I reserve the right to not actually want a relationship at that point" is a recipe for disaster.

It's basically a romantic prisoner's dilemma, where the worst case scenario is for one (but only one) of them to let this conversation affect their romantic decision-making while apart.
 
I think the point some people are making is that it feels like Paul is making decisions based on willpower (more willpower than Hal Jordan displayed in his romantic life, in fact) while completely suppressing his desires, which seems a bit off.

Personally, on the casual sex thing, I don't have any problem with Paul saying, hey, if we sleep together, I'm not going to want to leave tomorrow, and I really need to leave tomorrow. It's just that it feels like a careful reasoned decision to do the logical thing rather than doing what he actually wants.

... there's also the part where part of his response seems not that far from "No, we cannot have the sex, because I am so amazing in bed that you will immediately fall in love with me, and alas, I am to leave tomorrow, so it would not be fair to you, m'lady." *tips fedora*

Zoat outright stated that Paul wanted to found his own corps more than he wanted to be in a relationship with Jade so it's not like he was actually suppressomg his desires considering that he was following a stronger desire. This is something he planned to be doing for an entire year. Also on the last bit he outright said he didn't want to sleep with her since he was aware that he would have wanted an actual relationship with her which meant staying on Earth.

That's not a compromise. That's such a dumb decision that high school seniors, planning their long distance relationship at colleges on different coasts (which will totally work, guys, because of how in love they are), are looking at Paul with pity.

"I don't want to start a relationship now, but I just want to know that, at some unknown date (could be two months, could be longer, who knows), I'm going to be back, and I'm declaring that my present state of mind is to start a relationship with you at that unknown future date, but you shouldn't let this declaration affect your decisions and I don't know what'll happen on my trip, so I reserve the right to not actually want a relationship at that point" is a recipe for disaster.

It's basically a romantic prisoner's dilemma, where the worst case scenario is for one (but only one) of them to let this conversation affect their romantic decision-making while apart.

How is that stupid? Paul outright stated that it would be unreasonable for her to wait for him and he wasn't actually expecting her to. He also didn't make any promises since it appeared he doubted that he wouldn't find anyone and was taking that into account. So it's more "If neither of us are dating I would like to get together but not really expecting both of us to actually still be single by then."
 
... there's also the part where part of his response seems not that far from "No, we cannot have the sex, because I am so amazing in bed that you will immediately fall in love with me, and alas, I am to leave tomorrow, so it would not be fair to you, m'lady." *tips fedora*
Actually I think it was more Paul saying 'If we have sex I'll fall in love with you, and then I won't want to leave to take care of the offworld stuff I've been planning."
 
Is laundering money the sort of crime she should admit to doing to a superhero? Also why is she laundering that money? She wasn't doing anything illegal. Just deposit it in the bank and declare it to the IRS under "other income."
I just have this mental image of her taking the money to the laundromat.

The proprietor wanders over while she's putting the quarters in: Excuse me, ma'am, what exactly are you doing?
Jade: I'm laundering money, obviously. *Pushes start, goes off to read her book*

[A spaceship does not] have any added utility as the Ring sees to his comfort and has subspace pockets.
Unless, of course, you're bringing someone with you. The spaceship has plenty of utility then.

Looking at everyones response to turning down casual sex I can honestly say... I am just extremely ashamed of my gender for the way people have been acting the last few pages. A guy not into casual sex is impossible? Well that's news to me considering that I am a straight guy that isn't into the idea of casual sex. Yet people are acting that someone like me is an impossibility. I can say I am just at a loss for words at the males in this forum acting like the stereotypical male that think that all men should engage in casual sex and that any that don't are just myths.
I hear ya. Ace guy here, and I'd like to think I would have actively prevented such a big misunderstanding that a situation like this could have even come up.
 
No seriously I haven't met any single guy that would turn down casual sex with someone they liked who is also a friend. IT just is not realistic. More to point do you know how many soldiers gets a child right before they ship out? A lot.
How many of those soldiers are married? How many of them die and potentially leave any kids they have parentless? How many of the unmarried ones have problems raising the kids if/when they get back because their lives weren't ready for it.

How willing is OL, who probably knows those statistics, willing to risk becoming one or another?

Ignoring the cold logic, in a world where souls are proven to exist, treating the act by which two people may create new life, and create a new soul, with caution is a sensible approach.

And you probably have met guys who would turn it down, you just haven't gone around meeting them in situations where you would find out whether or not they would turn it down (I hope).

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Getting back to talking about OL, this is in no way out of character for him. Sex is noted on the pyramid of needs, but he can ignore his needs for food and rest if the situation is urgent. He can ignore his need to spend time with friends if he believes he has more important things to do.
He is aware of his needs and their consequences, and knows that he will never indulge in the many of the contradictory desires he has, which was the whole schtick with his Enlightenment in the first place.

As long as they have a friendship, they can keep that and meet up again, and things will have changed, maybe for better or for worse, but then they can see where they are in life.

He's about to go off on a dangerous situation where he can't bring her, and he doesn't know if he'll be back anytime soon or at all (if he gets killed). If they make that connection and it breaks - due to death or finding someone else for either person - that could severely hurt her and him more than maintaining their friendship with the possibility (but not guarantee) or something more.

If Paul doesn't have sex and does get killed in space, his last thoughts will not be 'I wish I had gotten laid.' Not even if you rephrase it as, 'I wish I had physically consummated a deep emotional connection I had with her.' Because he has many people he has deep emotional relationships with, and he doesn't want or need to sleep with most/any/all of them; there are more important parts to their bond than that.

If Paul does have sex and also does get killed in space, his last thoughts will be something along the lines of, 'oh, this is going to destroy her.' And he knows this.

But as long as he does not get killed in space, whether or not he has sex he can return and see whether or not striking up a relationship is in the cards then. If yes, great! If no, then it would still be no whether or not they had that night, and whether or not they have an awkward memory of a night hanging over them could be a big thing in how they relate from there.

So it's sensible prioritization for him to wait.
 
Falling Action (part 20)
10th July
16:06 GMT -5


Alan looks up from his weeding as I appear in his back garden. "Good afternoon, Paul. Wasn't sure you were still on Earth."

"I wouldn't just disappear, Alan."

He stabs his gardening fork into the soil and sits back. He's not… Not as old-looking as he was before his recharge in February, but the signs of obsolescence are creeping back in. His hair is once more shot through with grey, and while his musculature is still solid his skin is just starting to loosen and-.

"That bad, huh."

"I'm… What?"

"What?" He stands up slightly cautiously. "You think I don't notice when you do that? Checking up on me to see if I'm falling apart yet?"

"Oh. Um, sorry."

"Don't worry about it. I don't think I'm doing too badly for a ninety year old who smoked for thirty years." He looks around and gestures to his garden chairs. "Got time before you leave?"

"Yes, of course."

He peels off his gardening gloves as he leads the way over to the chairs, lowering himself into the closest with the slight caution that his doctor and I hammered into him after the first fall. Which leads me to my first question.

"How much ring charge do you have left?"

"How long you planning on being away for?"

"At least three months."

"Then, that much, and a little more besides."

"Alan."

"Heh. You sound just like Diana when you say that." I sigh quietly and take the chair next to him. "I'll cope. I'm not exactly.. looking forward to feeling my age again, but plenty of people manage." I start to open my mouth, but he pre-empts me. "Yes, I've still got the… Home help brochures you dropped by. If it comes to it, I'll… Phone someone."

"Thank you."

"And not a moment before." He looks at me. "So? Something you wanted to talk about, or were you just stopping by?"

"Yeah, there's just… This thing that happened, and I wasn't sure what anyone had told you..?"

"What, about that thing in London?" I nod. "Diana said you got hurt, but it looks like you're okay to me."

"A few bruises, some minor burns and… Mana overload, again. But there's a whole lot of other stuff… Okay, good news first?"

"Sure."

"Klarion the Witch Boy is dead. The Chinese released news of his execution a few hours ago."

Alan grins. "That's great news. You have something to do with that?"

"Their official version is leaving it somewhat vague on how they got hold of him, so, don't tell any reporters." I nod. "But yes. Zatanna, John Constantine and I lured him into a trap, stripped him of his power and handed him over."

"You did that in China?"

"No. Roanoke Island. I realise that it seems a bit ghoulish, but there are actually quite good magic-based reasons for-."

He waves my explanation off. "No, no, I understand all of that sort of thing. But the US has a whole bunch of perfectly good prisons. Heck, you even rebuilt one of them. If you picked him up here, why'd you take him over there?"

"The Chinese have a superfunctionary-." Alan lets out a burst of laugher. "What?"

"Aah, I'm sorry. I realise that's a translation, but it still gets me every time."

"A vigilante called Ghost Fox Killer. There are a whole load of ways a magic user who is as powerful and knowledgeable as Klarion can wiggle out of death, and one of her talents is preventing that. With Klarion, I wanted to be very sure."

"Okay then. Just make sure you give Waller her number before next time, give her a chance to put a bid in."

I struggle for a moment to suppress a laugh. "That actually didn't occur to me."

"Didn't they all… Embrace capitalism at the end of the Cold War? Being a Chinese state executioner can't pay all that well. And I'm sure we've got more supervillains than they do."

I shouldn't-. I need to get off this topic. "That's.. true, because they execute them for the first offence. Listen, there's.. more."

"What, you catch some other supervillain as well? You trying to make sure we don't forget about you?"

"I.. don't think.. there's much chance of that."

"No, of course not, but-."

"Alan, this isn't good news. Just… Let me get it out?" He nods. "Diana offered me League membership." His eyes light up and I know that he's about to congratulate me. Then he gets a look at my face. "I turned it down, then myself and a few friends lured Nabu into an ambush. I asked him to leave Mister Zatara, he refused. I offered him a perfectly functional golem body, he refused again. I arrested him, and he resisted. In fact, he killed one of my colleagues-."

"Who?"

"Michael Siskin. Terror Thing. You didn't.. meet him." Alan nods. "No one else on our side died, but we did kill Nabu." Alan's eyes widen in shock. "Mister Zatara is recovering in hospital. After I woke up, the second thing I did was visit the Watchtower and.. made it very clear to the League how I felt about their handling of the situation."

"Are you sure that Nabu's dead? You said a minute ago that magicians-?"

"Yes. The technique we used basically rendered him brain dead and passed his power on to someone else. The new guy's already up and running… He's dead."

He nods thoughtfully. "Diana know about that?"

"She does now. I didn't tell her in advance."

He frowns. "Why not?"

"Before New Year, because I didn't have anything substantial. After New Year, because I didn't trust her on the subject."

"Because the League let Nabu in?" I nod. "Weren't they just keeping an eye on him?"

"That's what they said. Personally I don't think that's effective when the subject can teleport. Or make supervillains in his custody disappear permanently without trial. Or enslave a man to act as his body. More than that, the League lied to the world about it."

"From the sounds of it, you didn't tell the rest of the League what you were doing either. You want to explain that one to me?"

"Alan, I lied to you before I even met you. I've kept any number of secrets from concerned parties." I shrug. "I'm not a very honest person. I've never claimed to be. And I didn't mind when other people lied to me. I didn't mind about M'gann trying to tell me she was a Green Martian, or about Robin not telling us his name despite knowing all of ours. I didn't even mind Batman marrying a supervillainess and covering her past up."

"Pardon me?"

I shrug. "She's genuinely devoted to him and she wasn't going to pay off her debt to society dead or in prison. But.. for Diana to lie, that's like… All that time I spend in Belle Reve, it would be like I was actually using that to recruit for criminal gangs rather than rehabilitate them. Abandoning Mister Zatara while welcoming Nabu was just.. such a huge thing that for me it undermined everything else."

"Nabu killed one of your guys?"

"Yes."

"You offered him a peaceful way out?"

"Several."

"Could you have done it better?"

I bow my head slightly. "Maybe? I don't know. There were lots of things I could have done differently, but every one had its own risks… Based on what I know -which is very far from everything- the combination of solutions I used was the best one. The one most likely to result in Nabu being off with both him and his chattel still alive. I don't know that it was and I'm not… I'm not happy with how things turned out… I just couldn't stand the status quo carrying on any longer."

"Any longer? So what changed… Your oath. It ran out." I nod. He looks away, giving his head a small shake. "I don't really know what to say. I didn't.. realise how strongly you felt about… And obviously Diana didn't either." He looks at me. "You should have talked to her about it."

"I would have liked to think I was able to. I didn't. She said that honesty was an absolute, then she lied. I'm…" I shake my head. "I'll try and talk things through with her when I get back. Doing it now… We're both pretty angry."

Alan nods. "I… You've told me your reasons. I don't.. like it, but then I don't much like what Nabu did either. You… Planning on leaving the planet now?"

"I've got three more stops, but… Yes, after that."

"You told me that you wanted to be a super hero so you could make the world better, not just stop it getting worse. With Nabu, I guess that you did what you had to. But that sort of thing… That's not what you set out to do."

"No, it isn't."

"When you get out there…" He looks up at the sky for a moment. "Which are you planning to do more of?"

"Starting the Corps is building, but the Corps will probably be mostly used to make war with the Reach… Destroying the Citadel Complex is killing, but I want to help their victims rebuild afterwards. I haven't… I want to build, but there are so many… Really horrible things out there… I'm not sure that it's an efficient use of… Me."

"No. No. Don't think about it like that. Don't give up on what makes you you. In three months, you can come back and talk it through with me and with Diana. Help you out some."

I nod, getting to my feet. He shifts forward to the edge of his chair and gets his feet directly under him before rising. "I'll see you.. when I.. see you, I suppose."

He nods, holding out his right hand. I step toward him and wrap my arms around his chest. "I'm sorry I couldn't do better."

He puts his arms around my back. "Just don't ever stop trying."
 
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This was my favorite update in this episode. Alan is a great grandfather figure and I can't wait to see him when OL gets back.
 
Ah. Thank god for Alan being the voice of reason while the other adults have their heads partly up their asses.
 
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