With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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EDIT: Sockmonkey is more concise, one post down.
I mean. The big thing about Talia is that she has stopped doing bad stuff.
Paul is significantly more willing to be friendly with former villains than most of the League, because he cares way more about 'What are you doing today? What will you do next week?' than he does about 'What have you done before?'
It's why he tried so hard with Luthor - Luthor had the capability for 'What will you do next week?' to be somewhere along the lines of, "I'm the second Orange Lantern in my off-time, because most of my days are taken up with making sure that all of humanity can smoothly work together towards being awesome."
Ever since it has turned out that Luthor's plan for next week is, "I'm going to side with Klarion/work with Apokolips/release the King of Tears even when I have other options." Paul has just... sort of... drifted away from Luthor. Came back recently to use his contacts with blackmail.
Mind you, he still thinks Catwoman is better.
It's not about 'one evil act', but Nabu's personal harm to people Paul can see suffering, combined with a deep devotion to doing that evil act now, tomorrow, next week, next month, next year... while getting everyone else to call him a hero.
Paul could probably have tolerated Nabu taking someone he didn't know and never had to deal with for a lot longer, but Nabu's deep devotion to performing this evil act and making other people call it good would always make friction; it's just that Paul can usually tolerate a certain amount of friction. After all, he considered himself more willing to work with Circe than Nabu... but still considered her a supervillain, just one who could maybe be channeled productively as to what they'll be doing next week.
Paul probably would have still offered the golem body, though; even in the abstract he would like people to be good, he just works very hard on the evils that harm him and his first.
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Paul is a pragmatist. Talia and Jade stopped doing their evil shit. Had Nabu agreed to the golem body, that would have been the end of it.
Only Renegade-side, sadly.
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GullibleCynic
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The Controllers are on Maltus which I'm pretty sure isnt in the Vega system. Not sure where it is located other than Sector 3001. Guess OL is going for the Orange Central Power Battery first. Well, there are lots of things in the Vega system actually.
RichardWhereat
Feanor did nothing wrong.
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And that's why we test our theories on how to make a greek deity exist with power outside of earths magical fields.
I'm sure that Ares would love to be able to join the war on the Reach. And if he doesn't die in the attempt, and it actually works, then it can be applied to Melinoe. If he does die, he can try something else on a different god who's also a dick.
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Um... Point of order: This statement is not mechanically or anatomically accurate. At all. And if you mean ethically, the word is 'shouldn't', not 'can't'.
That aside...You do realise if the embodiment of all avarice desires a particular piece of anatomy, she simply acquires it?
Or alternatively, if she desires to use her existing anatomy as a female snake, your limited imagination and/or squick reaction to the idea isn't going to stop her.
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SaltyWaffles
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Let's be fair: Batman treats Talia a hell of a lot better than OL does.
OL hates Nabu because he did something evil and went around fooling everyone into thinking he's a paragon, a hero. When he is, in reality, constantly keeping an innocent person (a hero, actually) imprisoned within his own body 24/7, not putting any effort or time into searching for alternative arrangements. Even when offered them, he rejected them. And he never looked into the ideas presented by them himself.
Generally speaking, people find it far more contemptable when someone who is in a position of authority, power, trust, and respect performs crimes and evil acts than when someone who's not in such a position does them. A cop who robs stores is a lot more objectionable than someone ordinary born and raised in a bad neighborhood doing the same.
The Bushranger
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You...do remember that this is the fic about the ORANGE Lantern, right?
Leaving aside the good arguments above - what Nabu did Paul took personally. Talia's acts are not something he can feel orange about.
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You don't understand Paul's mentality.
The actual actions a villain takes are secondary. He will get heavily personally invested in certain evil actions, yes, but he's constantly shown a willingness to put that behind him. What he cares about is being able to make the world a better place. The best way to do that isn't to murder villains, it's to change them into good guys.
Talia is, by current appearances, on the side of good. Her prior actions mean nothing to Paul, she changed and is good so she's good to have around. If Nabu had taken the golem body, Paul would have been happy to attempt to bury the hatchet. Talia is Paul's ideal case, Nabu is the worst case scenario.
Paul isn't distressed because he didn't think about how evil Nabu is and didn't realize that murdering him was the best choice. He's distressed because he thinks he should have seen in advance that Nabu was never going to compromise, was always going to continue to act evilly until he was killed, and planned around that instead of planning around reaching an agreement.
The point isn't about how evil a person is, but how committed they are to the path. Nabu was a major villain of this story not because of how evil the action he committed was, but how absolutely dedicated he was to it.
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I wonder what would have happened if Paul had said "Oh, okay." when Nabu had offered to asses a rotation of mages gathered by Paul. I mean, there's several ways it could have gone terribly wrong, but specifically I mean weather Nabu was sincere, and what his standards were.
Also, I'm realizing that one of the benefits of Paul's journey across the stars is the upcoming amount of quality time he'll be spending alone with #1 all-time best canon waifu Ophidian. I'm remembering that time the two of them tried thinking with each other's minds. That's certainly farther than anyone I know has gone with a girl.
Now Paul just has to get the OCPB back by defeating his girlfriend's evil ex-boyfriend.
Also, what's Paul's plan for helping Misery out? The correction lead me to re-read that bit, but I don't think Paul really elaborated on his plan?
Also, I'm realizing that one of the benefits of Paul's journey across the stars is the upcoming amount of quality time he'll be spending alone with #1 all-time best canon waifu Ophidian. I'm remembering that time the two of them tried thinking with each other's minds. That's certainly farther than anyone I know has gone with a girl.
Now Paul just has to get the OCPB back by defeating his girlfriend's evil ex-boyfriend.
Also, what's Paul's plan for helping Misery out? The correction lead me to re-read that bit, but I don't think Paul really elaborated on his plan?
Based on how Nabu has acted before, he would probably have not made time to meet with Paul until Paul had to track him down again, but otherwise would have accepted as offered.
However, he would probably have been an asshole as he has been before. Trying to get them to do more work than they agreed to do in order to receive his teaching, constantly going after a new emergency instead of teaching...
Yes, Paul x Ophidian. The Ophidian is not currently in a great headspace for that kind of relationship, but if Larfleeze gets taken down, she gets her own Corps, and she gets more time to think with Paul's brain I think the long-term prospects are...
...Well, okay, they're not likely but it's possible.
No plan has been elaborated on. So far he's only made a declaration of intent - he will not give up because of this one failure, he will try new ways to help her if he has any.
zhuull
SB still lying to protect Racists what else is new
This is getting repetitive, and frankly poorly thought out.
What part of Orange Lantern do you just not seem to grasp?
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Yes, on the SI's side they decided to go with 'openly alien' rather than attempt to become more Human-like.
Thank you, corrected.
Not in my country, colonial.
He doesn't currently have a concrete plan for a resolution as yet. He's at stage 1: learn a whole lot more about how arcane beings in general function.
He wasn't asking Adom whether or not aiming primarily to kill Nabu from the start would have been better, but rather should have have tried to take a being like that down in a non-lethal fashion after they rejected his offers and resisted arrest. This seems to me like something that even a superhero strongly opposed to lethal force would at least think about after a colleague died.
RichardWhereat
Feanor did nothing wrong.
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I just did a lot of googling and watched a few videos on the topic, and I'm not certain how I'm wrong. The cloaca is far too small for a human.
What do you mean by "ethically"?And if you mean ethically, the word is 'shouldn't', not 'can't'.
Point.
Thinking further on this, it's a great idea. A way for Ares to gain the pride of those who worship the Greek Pantheon again. Get the various Gods and MetaEngineers of earth to make him weaponry and armour, blessed by all the Gods, and unleash him on those who would invade earth, and gain worshippers off earth, amongst those who're fighting the Reach.
It's possible that he might end up growing as a result, gaining the domain of Righteous War. Sure, in DC he's a bad guy because War is seen as bad and he's done a lot of nasty shit, but one of the themes of this story seems to be offering villains the opportunity to grow. Generally in a way that'll benefit the people of earth. Since Earth is still a fragile target amongst the cosmos, having a God who's ready to step up and annihilate all invaders would be a good thing.
And of course, it provides a way to test his various hypothesi on a greek god so that Melinoe can go for a picnic underneath the pinkish purple sky on the mirrored glasmir mountains of Apalapucia.
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Yes, I'm sure she would be interested to know that Teth Adom is sweet-talking her mother back in the 'Nam by calling her "Ms".
Ophidian very big.
Paul human-sized.
And regardless, orange light can create solid constructs linked to specific nerves.
I will not go into more detail.
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I'd take advantage of Space Cabbie's universal space cab service.
Playing the theme song of Fresh Prince of Bel-Air optional.
RichardWhereat
Feanor did nothing wrong.
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Still not seeing it, you might need a bit more detail.
By staying in Zatara's body, Nabu is committing a continuous stream of evil. The others at least have time periods when they're not doing evil.
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I always thought it was pretty clear that Paul's visceral reaction to Nabu had more to do with how it impacted Zatanna then anything else. Had Nabu body jacked someone Paul wasn't close to, or even better , didn't like. Then I doubt he would have cared one wit. If anything I could see Paul trying to use him to up the world's magical knowledge, or at the least train the two Zatanas.
As for Talia...I can only see Paul caring based on how she affects Robin. If for instance, she had sneak attack crippled Robin to make room for her as Batwoman...well I think a precision orbital stike would have been in her future.
Likewise, Paul clearly sees Luthor as a possible asset. Now, have him come back to earth and have Kon deathly ill from some Luthor orchestrated kryptonite attack and I bet his outlook would chance drastically.
As for Talia...I can only see Paul caring based on how she affects Robin. If for instance, she had sneak attack crippled Robin to make room for her as Batwoman...well I think a precision orbital stike would have been in her future.
Likewise, Paul clearly sees Luthor as a possible asset. Now, have him come back to earth and have Kon deathly ill from some Luthor orchestrated kryptonite attack and I bet his outlook would chance drastically.
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PM'd you my epic-length erotic and explicit OLxOphidian fanfic, which I have definitely written. For real.
RichardWhereat
Feanor did nothing wrong.
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Post it on QuestionablyQuesting. People would love to read it.
I saw your post, looked up, and there was a 1 over the inbox. I was thrown for a bit.
I saw your post, looked up, and there was a 1 over the inbox. I was thrown for a bit.
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A example for you: A Green Sun Illuminates the Void by EarthScorpion, who makes no secret of his distaste for both Familiar of Zero and most of Exalted.
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