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Nabu was resisting arrest yes, but he wasn't in his right mind when he started using lethal attacks.
Quite true, and the SI is fully aware of that. I would point out that the SI remembered him being more or less functional after coming under a similar attack in Minions and that Nabu didn't try to surrender afterwards.
Because it'll either kill him, or keep him away from people who he's proven to be able to manipulate, bribe, or terrify into working for him, or even just outright escaping. Sure, he's only really a baseline human, but so's Batman, Cain, Shiva, and others who can escape prisons with ease.

Well, when they get them, should they get them. Fixing Napiers mind, skin, hair, and the toxicity of his body, wait, does he even count as baseline at this point with how poisonous his body is, and his immunity to smilex?
Creating a new person in his body sounds like a lot more work than just killing him.
If that's such a problem, consider him an OC that happens to share the same name as the canon hero?
There's a very tense moment in the Year 6 episode Heights, when the SI meets Fate 12. Of course, that version doesn't canonically even have a Nabu.
Well, that's rather concerning. Seems like a precursor to something along the lines of "Fate was preventing <bad shit> from happening, and now we're all doomed! DOOMED!"
While Nabu was doing useful things with his time, none of it was stuff other people couldn't have done. One of the tasks the SI assumes as part of normalising his relations with the League is to find people capable of replacing Nabu on the League.
 
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Ahem. Firstly, a fear attack on an individual who cannot suffer physically from it, is not a lethal attack.
Thus, the SI was not the side that escalated first. Second, considering how everyone involved has reacted to the Terror Thing, unleashing Siskin was intended less as Scarecrow'ing and more instant-KO.

Third, saying that Nabu wasn't in his right helmet at the time is complete horseshit; his first action after recovering was to vaporize Siskin. Not attack random figments of his imagination, not attack the entire area - a focused, lethal strike on the individual responsible.
Subsequent to which he seemed completely unaffected.
That seems wrong. Fear clearly affected Nabu and the magic explosion that killed Siskin was not after he recovered but while he was right in the middle of the attack, as a last ditch effort to get free from the hold. The update even notes that he was shaken and took some time to recover.
 
Of course, this is the part where Zoat Trolls us all by revealing that Constantine's Monlogue was wrong, Nabu was running himself on Giovanni's wetware while shunting Zatara's Soul into the Helmet to suppress it, and the person waking up is Nabu-in-Zatara's Body and Zatanna's Father's Soul has been annihilated along with the Helmet's Arcane field.
 
Last resort? To me, the most interesting revelation from the fight was that (a) Zatara could have communicated with his daughter at any point (assuming you take that at face value, which I do), and (b) Paul apparently never even tried to get Wonder Woman or anyone else to put pressure on Nabu to allow communication with Zatara.

Let's not pretend that Paul's fig leaf about arresting Nabu was serious. Nabu's best response actually would have been to just call Paul's bluff, and offer to go with him to the nearest police station, whereupon I'm rather certain that the response from the London police would be that they didn't want anything to do with this.

Paul never honestly tried to get the authorities on his side and have Nabu arrested, nor the lawful path of simply filing a lawsuit against him. This was always going to be about violence and force.



I'm fairly dubious about Siskin being a legitimate agent of the police here. Were the legalities to matter, I would rather expect that if the City of London were asked whether Paul and his cohort were actually acting as official agents of the London police, the official response would be "Fuck no!"

In any event, at the point your plan is to mind-rape someone with fear, any reflexive response you provoke will almost certainly be lacking the necessary mental state for a crime to be committed.

And, if you're going to pretend that Paul's actions were simply legitimate law enforcement (and that a magical entity is a person), the obvious next question would be at what point Nabu was actually incapacitated and should have been turned over to the London police, as opposed to whatever is left of him being given to John Constantine.



Under U.S./British common law, you had the right to use deadly force to resist an unlawful arrest, downgrading any death to (at most) manslaughter, if you meet the standard for that. Most states have eliminated that right by statute; no idea what the current British law is.

Paul was acting as a legitimate agent of the Metropolitan Police, and was responding to a person resisting legitimate arrest.

All of those who were helping him were doing so at Paul's direction and under his authority. That makes them also agents of the government.

Also, there isn't a specific law on lethal force only being ok until a target is incapacitated. Once the decision to use lethal force is made, it generally continues until the target is no longer a danger, and this is a subjective determination based on the situation.

Nabu has proven to be able to break out of any possible magical restraint, and has resisted arrest with lethal force. He cannot be rendered safe with anything less than actual lethality.

Of course, this is all likely kind of moot, as the fight took place on UK soil, and the UK hasn't passed that law like the US has giving non-humans personhood rights. The only 'person' on Nabu's side that had legal rights is Zatara, and he's fine.

Of course, this also means that Nabu's killing of Siskin probably wasn't illegal either.
 
Of course, this also means that Nabu's killing of Siskin probably wasn't illegal either.
While there is no law grating elemental-controlled golems rights, there also isn't one taking rights away from people due to a change in vital status. If they proved in court that he was Michael Siskin, he would still be covered.
 
Quite true, and the SI is fully aware of that. I would point out that the SI remembered him being more or less functional after coming under a similar attack in Minions and that Nabu didn't try to surrender afterwards.
Oh I realize. I was just pointing out that that's why people are debating his responsibility in Siskin's death, and for some reason people keep ignoring the fact that using Siskin was essentially like using Scarecrow fear gas, and it wasn't as black and white as "he was resisting arrest" as people are trying to make it out to be.
 
Oh, he was resisting arrest as soon as he conjured ankhs after the SI tried to caution him. And he kept resisting after Johns started talking. The effects of Siskin's fear-casting only give him a partial excuse for the killing.
 
While there is no law grating elemental-controlled golems rights, there also isn't one taking rights away from people due to a change in vital status. If they proved in court that he was Michael Siskin, he would still be covered.

Modern courts have a hard enough time understanding and ruling on data in computers. I feel that trying to convince a lay jury or a judge about magical soul conversion and transmigration is not going to be an easy task.

Unless the legal definition of death in Earth-16 UK involves the soul and not, as it does here, the cessation of bodily activity, it's going to be a hell of an uphill battle, taking at the least a trip to the House of Lords or the High Court.
 
While there is no law grating elemental-controlled golems rights, there also isn't one taking rights away from people due to a change in vital status. If they proved in court that he was Michael Siskin, he would still be covered.
By the same logic Nabu should be covered by the same law(s) that govern all other aliens that have come to earth. He wasn't a helmet when he arrived.
 
Among the changes Paul will likely see when he comes back to earth will likely be a new addition to the Bat Clan!



Course, he'll likely be younger and somewhat less bloodthirsty than in that vid, but imagining Damien threatening Paul with a sword sounds so adorable!

Though, thinking on the recent growth in the interest of super-power uplifting of humanity, it's likely that Talia will want the VERY BEST for her son.

And what with the Danner formula human trials coming up...
 
By the same logic Nabu should be covered by the same law(s) that govern all other aliens that have come to earth. He wasn't a helmet when he arrived.
Ah, but can he prove that? Strictly speaking, even the SI doesn't know for certain that Nabu was Cilian. [WoZ: he was] He's certainly never been either a) Human or b) a citizen of a state the British government recognises.

Please note that has nothing to do with his moral status. The SI got the American law changed because obviously entities like Nabu should be treated as people, for good or for ill.
 
SERIOUSLY? he'd be THAT careless?
dude, lob it towards the event horizon of a black hole. problem solved PERMANENTLY >.

"Hey OL! There's a black hole here that wants you dead!"

"Again?"

"I think it's a different one. This one is wearing a hat."


Because that's how you get black holes wearing hats. Don't do that. Nabu will try to eat everything else in the universe to make it more orderly.
 
He also literally died on the sword he drew. By stabbing the battery.

This. It seems like Paul's plan was a controlled drain using the magic batteries until they could remove the helmet. Cutting a giant hole in the batteries turned it into an uncontrolled drain.

Siskin's involvement was ill-advised, but it wasn't a sine qua non that made the situation deadly. Nabu wanting not to be arrested more than he wanted to avoid murdering people is what made the situation deadly, and any attempt to forcibly contain him would have started a fight.
 
Let's not pretend that Paul's fig leaf about arresting Nabu was serious. Nabu's best response actually would have been to just call Paul's bluff, and offer to go with him to the nearest police station, whereupon I'm rather certain that the response from the London police would be that they didn't want anything to do with this.

No, Nabu's best response would have been to use the golem body. In which case Paul would have let him go.

Offering to go down to the police station without using the golem body is basically saying "let me come to the police station but keeping my hostage".
 
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