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So, I get patriotism. As a Canadian, I'm pretty proud to note that my country has been central to the victory of both of the recent world wars, and burned down the white house.
Ah, Canada. A nation bred from the perfect combination of American and Lumberer. A successor state to be proud of.
But, I'm sorry, isn't it a bit hypocritical that Captain-Kill-A-Justice-Leaguer is complaining about treason?
Since Nabu isn't his monarch, no.
I mean, like Ben Gates said in national treasure: 'Here's to the men who did what was considered wrong, in order to do what they knew was right.'
They didn't want to pay for their own defence. Guess which nation has the largest defence budget on the planet today?

I mean, yes, just requiring them to raise their own regements and build their own ships might have been a better compromise, but it was pretty obvious that the rich, slave owning landowners running the rebellion weren't interested in talking.
Sort of like how Paul going for Nabu's throat could be considered wrong, but he knows it's right so he'll do it anyway. Sort of how the Justice League (and by extension Paul's hero and mentor Alan Scott of the Justice Society) are vigilantes, who break the rules of society in order to pursue an objective they new to be a morally and ethically justified. Isn't it a law now, that when a soldier, or anybody else, receives an order they deem to be immoral, they have to refuse the order? I get that it wasn't a law back then. They really were committing treason. But what Paul is doing now could be called treason too, couldn't it? Or, well, at the very least betrayal, since it's against a UN sponsored group and not against a nation.
Yes, Diana is probably going to come out of this feeling betrayed. The SI already does, as the League betrayed Mister Zatara and their own ideals.
Especially since he left his demonically corrupted government to become a member of a new land, in which he is a prominent senate speaker.
Forum speaker. And Britain Prime does not -as far as I am aware- have a demon-worshipping government. No matter what Mohamed al Fayed says.
Oh, not to mention how he helped Teth Adom overthrow a government. Can't believe I forgot about that. So yeah, rebels are cool for Paul so long as they're not American rebels?
Technically, the constitutional court ruled that the former government's original takeover was unconstitutional at the time it happened. They were all shot.
 
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And Britian Prime does not -as far as I am aware- have a demon-worshipping government. No matter what Mohamed al Fayed says.
No one believed Constantine when he said it either! Just because Operation Midland bore no fruit doesn't mean that there's not a gang of murderous paedophiles running the british government! And the SI got yanked from Britain before Operation Midland was closed, so he doesn't know that his Britain is any different from Earth-16's!

All joking aside, people don't have to hold consistently logical beliefs. In fact it's a hallmark of Humanity that we don't.
 
They didn't want to pay for their own defence. Guess which nation has the largest defence budget on the planet today?

I mean, yes, just requiring them to raise their own regements and build their own ships might have been a better compromise, but it was pretty obvious that the rich, slave owning landowners running the rebellion weren't interested in talking.

Okay, so if Paul were inserted into the eighteenth century with a power ring, what would he do? If Mr. Zoat got self-inserted into a world on actual Independance Day (and managed to find a power lantern), how would he contribute to stopping the war? Or would he contribute, instead of going off and siding with Napoleon, or just leaving earth be entirely in favor of exploring the galaxy?
 
Okay, so if Paul were inserted into the eighteenth century with a power ring, what would he do? If Mr. Zoat got self-inserted into a world on actual Independance Day (and managed to find a power lantern), how would he contribute to stopping the war? Or would he contribute, instead of going off and siding with Napoleon, or just leaving earth be entirely in favor of exploring the galaxy?
Considering the comments about rich slave-owning landowners, I expect he may end up being an entirely separate side all of his own.
 
You know Zoat is very depressing how Grayven was just brainwashed like that, if you call that neutral ending I fear to think what you call a happy ending.

And when it comes to Oh El he keeps completely ignoring the so called Orange Dawn that so far at least two time travelers have referenced. One of with Paul has a somewhay friendly relationship with and that has not tried to steal Oh El stuff.

What kind of so called enlightening makes you ignore blatant clues that maybe creating yet another ring corps might not be a good idea?

Granted both Paul and Grayven haven't read comics from the last few years but it basically seems to be summed up as "The more emotional lights are in use, the more you screw over the universe."
 
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You know Zoat is very depressing how Grayven was just brainwashed like that, if you call that neutral ending I fear to think what you call a happy ending.

And when it comes to Oh El he keeps completely ignoring the so called Orange Dawn that so far at least two time travelers have referenced. One of with Paul has a somewhay friendly relationship with and that has not tried to steal Oh El stuff.

What kind of so called enlightening makes you ignore blatant clues that maybe creating yet another ring corps might not be a good idea?

Granted both Paul and Grayven haven't read comics from the last few years but it basically seems to be summed up as "The more emotional lights are in use, the more you screw over the universe."
I honestly can't tell if you're malicious, or if this just the way you think.

In order: This is not an exit the ending of Grayven's story.

The possibility of something maybe happening means he shouldn't try at all, right? Best to run the rings down to zero charge and then fling them into the Bleed.

The kind of Enlightenment that lets you be perfectly aware of your desires. He's Avarice Enlightened, not genre savvy enlightened.

The lights are there regardless of their being a Corps for them. Besides, without multiple corps, you end up with nothing standing in the way of Nekron and his band of Merry Heart Grabbers.
 
What land does he own?
Does he actually own any land? The Doom Fortress doesn't really count, and I don't really remember.
He doesn't own any Land.
*eyebrow raise*
If we are going to be that semantic, I would count the doom fortress, or the massive supervillain mountain. Or perhaps a hollowed-out cave that was holding a huge fricking cake for a few months that I'm sure no one else is using. A couple asteroids hanging in orbit that he seemed to claim and mine for his own. Some moons of Jupiter I distinctly remember him dumping a rather lethal amount of ionizing radiation onto without a second thought. A big mountain whose security measures he's outfitted to kingdom come. Toilet on the moon.

The fact remains that his property values (of just the shit he carries around with him) is more than enough to equate to a big pile of land, not even going into his nigh-uncalculable wealth of liquid assets, or the fact the he owns (in all but name) a handful of locations mentioned throughout the story. I'm sure there's no fucking deed to them, but how much has that changed things at the end of the day? It's not like he cares who is supposed to own what while he's gallivanting around anyway.
 
The current plan is to make Constantine a lord of chaos to lure Klarion out, right? And this will be overlooked and permitted by Nabu... how? They haven't taken any precautions against a randomly encountered Nabu that I've seen...
Well, if he's following Grayven's playbook, it's more that he's going to set off a piece of magic that creates a similar metaphysical signal without actually being the ritual in question. If I remember correctly, the endgame is to then kill Nabu and thus empower Constantine as a Lord of Order and Chaos/Lord of Balance, locking both groups out of sending some new idiot to fill the now-vacated slots and also making numerous people piss themselves.
 
The Cake Cave was pretty clearly not his, he had to do some negotiating regarding that. The space rocks aren't his either. The Doom Fortress is really more of a terrifying floating vehicle than land, even if you could build on it.
 
That's Grayven, not Paul.
Parry and riposte:

9th January 2004
05:36 GMT -7


The space here doesn't make sense either. It should be… It's not… My metaphysique is too weak for me to understand. The container moves towards one of the radiant eyes of the trapped titans. Okay, that's close enough. I'll-.

I can't turn off my eye beams. Fuck. I'm being drawn forwards. Ooh this isn't good. Okay, removing the ring should force a shutdown. No, it won't come off. What else? If I were unconscious the ring couldn't operate. Shoot myself? No, with this much fear my environmental shield could probably block the shot. What then?

SELF=NULL SELF=NULL

Name. Before… There was a name. What was it?

SELF=NULL SELF=NULL

What was his name
? What was..?

No. What is my name? I know my name.

"My name is Paul-."

I'm speaking of both Renegade and Paragon.
 
I suppose I.. could ask Mister Free to boom tube me part of the way. It would save a good deal of time… Mm, can't hurt to ask. I stop outside my destination and knock on the door with my right fist.
Probably worth bartering with New Genesis if the travel time differences are that noticeable. Even if it's easier to block boom tubes than Lantern transition, near instant teleportation is worth it for when it does work.
I take it the Amazons are shipping PavlosXKon now?
Now? You act like they haven't been doing so since they were aware of them both.
And this will be overlooked and permitted by Nabu... how? They haven't taken any precautions against a randomly encountered Nabu that I've seen...
"Hey Nabu, I bought this new game that you would love. It's based in the Warhammer 40k universe, and you can fight chaos worshippers. Want to play?"

"These chaos worshippers shall meet their fate."
And when it comes to Oh El he keeps completely ignoring the so called Orange Dawn that so far at least two time travelers have referenced. One of with Paul has a somewhay friendly relationship with and that has not tried to steal Oh El stuff.
How is making an organization that encourages controlled use of the orange light liable to bring about the Orange Twilight? He knows Larfleeze leaves his cave eventually, and those rings he has won't be going away, nor will the central power battery.
What land does he own?
He rented that warehouse where Constantine set up the mice with helmets thing to hurt Nabu. And he might or might not still have all the silica from the asteroid he mined while he was merged with the Ophidian.
 
Kinda ironic since Helios is also technically a Titan right?
Helios (Along with Selene and Eos) didn't seem to get that involved in divine politics and tended to remain away from the rest unless things went to shit or someone fucked up (Odysseus' crew killing and eating his herds, Phaeton's chariot crash, and other things of that sort)
 
Helios (Along with Selene and Eos) didn't seem to get that involved in divine politics and tended to remain away from the rest unless things went to shit or someone fucked up (Odysseus' crew killing and eating his herds, Phaeton's chariot crash, and other things of that sort)
So Helios is one of the okay Titans since he didn't really get on the war between other the Titans and the Olympians then?
 
Ah, Canada. A nation bred from the perfect combination of American and Lumberer. A successor state to be proud of.

Since Nabu isn't his monarch, no.

They didn't want to pay for their own defence. Guess which nation has the largest defence budget on the planet today?

I mean, yes, just requiring them to raise their own regements and build their own ships might have been a better compromise, but it was pretty obvious that the rich, slave owning landowners running the rebellion weren't interested in talking.

Yes, Diana is probably going to come out of this feeling betrayed. The SI already does, as the League betrayed Mister Zatara and their own ideals.

Forum speaker. And Britian Prime does not -as far as I am aware- have a demon-worshipping government. No matter what Mohamed al Fayed says.

Technically, the constitutional court ruled that the former government's original takeover was unconstitutional at the time it happened. They were all shot.

Most times I would argue that every british colony that asked for or took its' independence is doing great right now and the few who didn't are kind of shitty. (not including the parts of the british isles... except wales)

I'd argue that half of the founding fathers were trying use the taxation issue to push to get votes(edit: seats) in parliament. It was only after the request and political grandstanding was rejected out of hand and was met with more taxes and soldiers that revolution was considered.

I'd argue that without this particular disaster that king George 3 likely would not have signed over the crown lands and the Monarchy would be more than a powerless figurehead. The British would still be ruled by the inbred.

However Trump is president, my arguments are invalid, carry on.
 
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*eyebrow raise*
If we are going to be that semantic,

Let's.
I would count the doom fortress,
Legally an airship.
or the massive supervillain mountain.
Owned by a holding company owned by Dr Robbins.
Or perhaps a hollowed-out cave that was holding a huge fricking cake for a few months that I'm sure no one else is using.
Owned by the Swiss government, if I remember correctly.
A couple asteroids hanging in orbit that he seemed to claim and mine for his own.
He doesn't recognise the authority of any Earth-based entity to adjudicate claims to asteroids, but by that same token couldn't claim them himself.
Some moons of Jupiter I distinctly remember him dumping a rather lethal amount of ionizing radiation onto without a second thought. A big mountain whose security measures he's outfitted to kingdom come.
Littering.
A public convenience.
 
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